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Post by partickpotter on Oct 14, 2015 17:53:31 GMT
Scoreboard pressure and tiredness does that though. I love watching any cricket. But this is just tedious. Countries need to be forced to produce wickets that encourage competitive cricket if we're to save the test cricket. I'm a test cricket bore mate, love it and would watch it all day every day if I could. But this is dire, absolutely dire and I'd say the same if England were batting as well. Pakistan would be better off playing their home series in England, with the Pakistani community we have they'd fill the likes of Edgbaston easily and they'd be able to play in front of an ACTUAL crowd which is what it's all about....... You are spot on - it would be much better for Pakistan to play their home tests in England. As to this test - England's errors on day 1 proved very costly. I wonder if this innings has set a record in runs conceded after a player (well three players) were given a life. Must be round about 400 runs!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 18:08:36 GMT
I'm a test cricket bore mate, love it and would watch it all day every day if I could. But this is dire, absolutely dire and I'd say the same if England were batting as well. Pakistan would be better off playing their home series in England, with the Pakistani community we have they'd fill the likes of Edgbaston easily and they'd be able to play in front of an ACTUAL crowd which is what it's all about....... You are spot on - it would be much better for Pakistan to play their home tests in England. As to this test - England's errors on day 1 proved very costly. I wonder if this innings has set a record in runs conceded after a player (well three players) were given a life. Must be round about 400 runs! It has to be said England have applied themselves really well and their attitude has been really good in not letting their heads drop. A couple of individual errors could prove costly as you say but can't fault them otherwise. The question is can we bat big and bat long, the old fashioned skills of being able to bat for 4 sessions seem to be a thing of the past, but in fairness to Moeen and Cook they looked like they were bedding in for a long innings so here's hoping.....
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 15, 2015 11:44:25 GMT
You are spot on - it would be much better for Pakistan to play their home tests in England. As to this test - England's errors on day 1 proved very costly. I wonder if this innings has set a record in runs conceded after a player (well three players) were given a life. Must be round about 400 runs! It has to be said England have applied themselves really well and their attitude has been really good in not letting their heads drop. A couple of individual errors could prove costly as you say but can't fault them otherwise. The question is can we bat big and bat long, the old fashioned skills of being able to bat for 4 sessions seem to be a thing of the past, but in fairness to Moeen and Cook they looked like they were bedding in for a long innings so here's hoping..... Agree about the bowlers - in tough conditions they performed really well. Same thing last time in the UAE as I remember. On that occassion they were let down, big time, by their batsmen. This time round early indications suggest things might be different. 221-1 is an impressive response. Cook looks in his element. Unfortunately it looks like cricket for purists though. Stuff you can respect, but not really get excited about.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 15, 2015 11:51:31 GMT
Gooarn England smash the fuckers
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 15, 2015 12:43:45 GMT
It has to be said England have applied themselves really well and their attitude has been really good in not letting their heads drop. A couple of individual errors could prove costly as you say but can't fault them otherwise. The question is can we bat big and bat long, the old fashioned skills of being able to bat for 4 sessions seem to be a thing of the past, but in fairness to Moeen and Cook they looked like they were bedding in for a long innings so here's hoping..... Agree about the bowlers - in tough conditions they performed really well. Same thing last time in the UAE as I remember. On that occassion they were let down, big time, by their batsmen. This time round early indications suggest things might be different. 221-1 is an impressive response. Cook looks in his element. Unfortunately it looks like cricket for purists though. Stuff you can respect, but not really get excited about. I think it's even difficult for purists to really enjoy this. Just caught ITB passing judgement on the wicket. It's exactly what you need to kill Test cricket. So far, each wicket (including the Pakistan tail) is costing ~90 runs. There's just nothing in for the bowlers.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 15, 2015 13:01:29 GMT
I'm a test cricket bore mate, love it and would watch it all day every day if I could. But this is dire, absolutely dire and I'd say the same if England were batting as well. Pakistan would be better off playing their home series in England, with the Pakistani community we have they'd fill the likes of Edgbaston easily and they'd be able to play in front of an ACTUAL crowd which is what it's all about....... You are spot on - it would be much better for Pakistan to play their home tests in England. As to this test - England's errors on day 1 proved very costly. I wonder if this innings has set a record in runs conceded after a player (well three players) were given a life. Must be round about 400 runs! They tried it against Australia in 2010, crowds were pretty poor Headingly lost a fortune. It is already the most balls of spin bowled in a test without taking a wicket. Has been 5 double centuries in 8 tests at this venue, Adam Lyth must be gutted to miss out here. Bell needs another 370 for 8,000 test runs on this pitch could be a good outside bet at this rate Then again it might not be such a good bet oops
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 15, 2015 15:24:39 GMT
I've not yet been able to see any if the cricket yet - just catching up on the BBC live commentary.
I get the feeling that's as good a way as any to experience this particular test match.
Cook should be looking for a triple hundred (maybe more). Our only hope of a win in this game is to post a score well over 700, maybe over 800, and hope Pakistan bottle it in their second innings on the final day. It's possible. But not likely!
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 15, 2015 15:42:23 GMT
I've not yet been able to see any if the cricket yet - just catching up on the BBC live commentary. I get the feeling that's as good a way as any to experience this particular test match. Cook should be looking for a triple hundred (maybe more). Our only hope of a win in this game is to post a score well over 700, maybe over 800, and hope Pakistan bottle it in their second innings on the final day. It's possible. But not likely! Talk about being an optimist...you're wanting us to make a score - probably in the top 10 ever in test cricket (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283966.html), then knock them over in less than half a day! Michael Vaughan @michaelvaughan · 2h2 hours ago The 'Cat ' @philtufnell just summed it perfectly..... 'This is one of the worst pitches he has ever seen'. #SpotOn
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 15, 2015 15:45:37 GMT
I've not yet been able to see any if the cricket yet - just catching up on the BBC live commentary. I get the feeling that's as good a way as any to experience this particular test match. Cook should be looking for a triple hundred (maybe more). Our only hope of a win in this game is to post a score well over 700, maybe over 800, and hope Pakistan bottle it in their second innings on the final day. It's possible. But not likely! Talk about being an optimist...you're wanting us to make a score - probably in the top 10 ever in test cricket (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283966.html), then knock them over in less than half a day! Michael Vaughan @michaelvaughan · 2h2 hours ago The 'Cat ' @philtufnell just summed it perfectly..... 'This is one of the worst pitches he has ever seen'. #SpotOn Fantasist may be closer to the truth!
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 15, 2015 15:55:22 GMT
Talk about being an optimist...you're wanting us to make a score - probably in the top 10 ever in test cricket (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283966.html), then knock them over in less than half a day! Michael Vaughan @michaelvaughan · 2h2 hours ago The 'Cat ' @philtufnell just summed it perfectly..... 'This is one of the worst pitches he has ever seen'. #SpotOn Fantasist may be closer to the truth! When we were 7 nil down at Chelsea a few seasons back did you still think we could knick it? The best we can hope for is some confidences for some of the batsmen (a score for Butler would go down well), a draw, and to never have to witness cricket on pitch so lifeless ever again.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 15, 2015 16:20:13 GMT
Fantasist may be closer to the truth! When we were 7 nil down at Chelsea a few seasons back did you still think we could knick it? The best we can hope for is some confidences for some of the batsmen (a score for Butler would go down well), a draw, and to never have to witness cricket on pitch so lifeless ever again. C'mon - that'd make me delusional! I'm not that far gone.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 15, 2015 16:21:08 GMT
When we were 7 nil down at Chelsea a few seasons back did you still think we could knick it? The best we can hope for is some confidences for some of the batsmen (a score for Butler would go down well), a draw, and to never have to witness cricket on pitch so lifeless ever again. C'mon - that'd make me delusional! I'm not that far gone. You delusional.....never
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2015 9:17:38 GMT
400-3 at lunch. Effectively 400-2 as one of those wickets is a nightwatchman. Loads of batting to come. Cook has (possibly) plenty more in the tank; he'll have a treble ton in his sights. Root could go big - he can. Well over 700 is looking less fantastic - but still a long way to go. 800 - I'm still going to dream! More likely, I know, is all out for 500 odd later today as a spin induced collapse of our inexperienced late middle order comes and goes. But I prefer to...
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 16, 2015 9:31:00 GMT
400-3 at lunch. Effectively 400-2 as one of those wickets is a nightwatchman. Loads of batting to come. Cook has (possibly) plenty more in the tank; he'll have a treble ton in his sights. Root could go big - he can. Well over 700 is looking less fantastic - but still a long way to go. 800 - I'm still going to dream! More likely, I know, is all out for 500 odd later today as a spin induced collapse of our inexperienced late middle order comes and goes. But I prefer to... At the rate they're going at (<100 session) we may get there by tea tomorrow! But I'm beginning to come round to your thinking.... Is there any point in declaring today and giving the bowlers more work? Would be better just to get as many of the batsmen to get runs and then declare just before tea tomorrow. Maybe 150 lead. See if the pitch does break up and the pressure of a few overs causes some panic. Still, a lot of batting to get there.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2015 9:44:34 GMT
400-3 at lunch. Effectively 400-2 as one of those wickets is a nightwatchman. Loads of batting to come. Cook has (possibly) plenty more in the tank; he'll have a treble ton in his sights. Root could go big - he can. Well over 700 is looking less fantastic - but still a long way to go. 800 - I'm still going to dream! More likely, I know, is all out for 500 odd later today as a spin induced collapse of our inexperienced late middle order comes and goes. But I prefer to... At the rate they're going at (<100 session) we may get there by tea tomorrow! But I'm beginning to come round to your thinking.... Is there any point in declaring today and giving the bowlers more work? Would be better just to get as many of the batsmen to get runs and then declare just before tea tomorrow. Maybe 150 lead. See if the pitch does break up and the pressure of a few overs causes some panic. Still, a lot of batting to get there. I think they'll look to pick the pace up - tactically and naturally because the next batsmen in score fast. They don't have the technique or the temperament (like Cook has) to play 6+ hour knocks. So, the rest of the day should be quicker - maybe 250 runs. A slog tomorrow morning could see us with a lead of 200+. This assumes we don't get skittled out later today. This dead game could still be interesting!
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 16, 2015 9:49:57 GMT
At the rate they're going at (<100 session) we may get there by tea tomorrow! But I'm beginning to come round to your thinking.... Is there any point in declaring today and giving the bowlers more work? Would be better just to get as many of the batsmen to get runs and then declare just before tea tomorrow. Maybe 150 lead. See if the pitch does break up and the pressure of a few overs causes some panic. Still, a lot of batting to get there. I think they'll look to pick the pace up - tactically and naturally because the next batsmen in score fast. They don't have the technique or the temperament (like Cook has) to play 6+ hour knocks. So, the rest of the day should be quicker - maybe 250 runs. A slog tomorrow morning could see us with a lead of 200+. This assumes we don't get skittled out later today. This dead game could still be interesting! I hope so, but Moeen, Root and Bell all normally score a lot faster and have struggled. Stokes won't hang around I guess, but both Bairstow and Buttler are under pressure and probably wouldn't want to throw away an opportunity of getting a score that could cement them into the team for a while.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 16, 2015 9:59:11 GMT
When we were 7 nil down at Chelsea a few seasons back did you still think we could knick it? The best we can hope for is some confidences for some of the batsmen (a score for Butler would go down well), a draw, and to never have to witness cricket on pitch so lifeless ever again. I'm not that far gone. You are
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2015 10:41:55 GMT
I think they'll look to pick the pace up - tactically and naturally because the next batsmen in score fast. They don't have the technique or the temperament (like Cook has) to play 6+ hour knocks. So, the rest of the day should be quicker - maybe 250 runs. A slog tomorrow morning could see us with a lead of 200+. This assumes we don't get skittled out later today. This dead game could still be interesting! I hope so, but Moeen, Root and Bell all normally score a lot faster and have struggled. Stokes won't hang around I guess, but both Bairstow and Buttler are under pressure and probably wouldn't want to throw away an opportunity of getting a score that could cement them into the team for a while. I think you are spot on. This match (in reality) is a draw. It's a golden opportunity for the batsmen to get some form. Bairstow and Butler should use it as such.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 16, 2015 11:38:28 GMT
Shamelessly nicked off bet365...
Only two men in the history of test cricket have batted for 12 hours TWICE.
Brian Charles Lara Alastair Nathan Cook
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 16, 2015 12:19:49 GMT
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Post by crouchie on Oct 16, 2015 13:18:07 GMT
cook was out off a no ball 3rd umpire never checked it
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Post by scfc1234 on Oct 16, 2015 13:44:15 GMT
As mentioned i went to the third day on Thursday, as much as it was a good battling day for England the pitch made the day extremely tedious (the heat didn't help). They really need to sort the pitch out here. The ground wasn't as empty as I feared either maybe 800-1000 (still awful mind), the Pakistani fans made quite a racket though, probably the most entertaining thing about the day!
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 16, 2015 13:44:53 GMT
Bairstow and Buttler failed again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 13:51:43 GMT
Bairstow and Buttler failed again. Buttler was trying to push the scoring rate on to be fair bit harsh to say he failed......
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2015 17:11:37 GMT
Bairstow and Buttler failed again. Buttler was trying to push the scoring rate on to be fair bit harsh to say he failed...... Shame he couldn't take your advice - forget about scoring quick, just focus on making a score. Anyway - reality kicks in. 569-8 is a mighty impressive score, but I'm disappointed! To have just one batsman post a three figure score (albeit a big double century) is not good on that wicket.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 16, 2015 23:38:59 GMT
Bairstow and Buttler failed again. Buttler was trying to push the scoring rate on to be fair bit harsh to say he failed...... Perhaps a bit harsh - but he desperately needed runs (and him getting runs was probably more important to the team than the current mtach situation). He had a good chance on a featherbed of a pitch, and he could play his natural attacking game. He didn't get the score he needed but I think they'll persist with him a bit longer.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2015 7:03:16 GMT
Buttler was trying to push the scoring rate on to be fair bit harsh to say he failed...... Perhaps a bit harsh - but he desperately needed runs (and him getting runs was probably more important to the team than the current mtach situation). He had a good chance on a featherbed of a pitch, and he could play his natural attacking game. He didn't get the score he needed but I think they'll persist with him a bit longer. They'll persist for this series for sure - maybe longer because his potential replacement, Bairstow, looks even less likely. Just a shame Taylor doesn't keep wicket.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 17, 2015 11:45:44 GMT
Excitement reaching new intensity levels as the first test approaches a thrilling climax...
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 17, 2015 12:19:09 GMT
Could we still win this?
Pakistan lead by 90 with 4 wickets left.
25 overs to go. Finish them off quickly and really go for it?
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 17, 2015 12:27:17 GMT
8 down now. The spinners turning the game.
Could still do it.
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