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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 11:44:23 GMT
It has struck me recently that in my 16 years of watching Stoke home and away, I have never really seen many Asian supporters at the match, if any.
In fact, I don't really know an awful lot of supporters outside the White British ethnicity group. I realise, I'm opening a bit of a can of worms here but should the club be doing more to encourage diversity amongst supporters and tapping into local Asian communities? If anything, this would make great financial sense given the size of our Asian community.
I wouldn't like to think that local people were apprehensive about attending matches due to their ethnicity, though please correct me if I'm wrong and people do know of many Asian supporters.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 30, 2015 11:53:42 GMT
What is the ethnic mix of our North Staffs catchment area these days? I'd bet that it is much more diverse than the ethnic mix of a Britannia crowd. Pity. Does anyone know the actual figures? And, as regards the mix of a Britannia crowd, has any analysis ever been done?
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Post by Gods on Sept 30, 2015 11:56:41 GMT
Don't know about ethnicity but I'd like to know the breakdown of our season ticket holders between male/female, children/adults/seniors etc. They won't even tell us the number of season tickets sold so I realise we would never get this information but I am curious none the less. It has changed massively, beyond any recognition in recent years from an almost exclusively male and high testosterone preserve to something more akin to a trip to Alton Towers. I guess it's called progress, and a few chicks and children certainly serve to humanise the experience a little even if some of the 'frisson' one used to enjoy on a match day has gone for ever  |
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Post by werrington on Sept 30, 2015 12:04:24 GMT
It has struck me recently that in my 16 years of watching Stoke home and away, I have never really seen many Asian supporters at the match, if any. In fact, I don't really know an awful lot of supporters outside the White British ethnicity group. I realise, I'm opening a bit of a can of worms here but should the club be doing more to encourage diversity amongst supporters and tapping into local Asian communities? If anything, this would make great financial sense given the size of our Asian community. I wouldn't like to think that local people were apprehensive about attending matches due to their ethnicity, though please correct me if I'm wrong and people do know of many Asian supporters. The club do tap in to local communities so it's up to them if they wish to jump onboard You either like football or you don't no matter what the colour of skin |
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Sept 30, 2015 12:07:57 GMT
Don't know about ethnicity but I'd like to know the breakdown of our season ticket holders between male/female, children/adults/seniors etc. They won't even tell us the number of season tickets sold so I realise we would never get this information but I am curious none the less. It has changed massively, beyond any recognition in recent years from an almost exclusively male and high testosterone preserve to something more akin to a trip to Alton Towers. I guess it's called progress, and a few chicks and children certainly serve to humanise the experience a little even if some of the 'frisson' one used to enjoy on a match day has gone for ever Actually in the mid-sixties me and a couple of mates used to stand with a group of about 10 girls (suppose they would have been "chicks" then )from Thistley Hough in the Boothen End. Plenty enough "frisson" there I can tell you  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:08:59 GMT
It has struck me recently that in my 16 years of watching Stoke home and away, I have never really seen many Asian supporters at the match, if any. In fact, I don't really know an awful lot of supporters outside the White British ethnicity group. I realise, I'm opening a bit of a can of worms here but should the club be doing more to encourage diversity amongst supporters and tapping into local Asian communities? If anything, this would make great financial sense given the size of our Asian community. I wouldn't like to think that local people were apprehensive about attending matches due to their ethnicity, though please correct me if I'm wrong and people do know of many Asian supporters. The club do tap in to local communities so it's up to them if they wish to jump onboard You either like football or you don't no matter what the colour of skin Yes, I don't doubt your second point. I wasn't trying to be politically correct just raising the debate. Like I said, I cannot recall really seeing any Asian supporters and I go most weeks. I really doubt that it is a case of no local Asians not liking football. Do the club tap into communities like Shelton and Cobridge? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:09:58 GMT
Don't know about ethnicity but I'd like to know the breakdown of our season ticket holders between male/female, children/adults/seniors etc. They won't even tell us the number of season tickets sold so I realise we would never get this information but I am curious none the less. It has changed massively, beyond any recognition in recent years from an almost exclusively male and high testosterone preserve to something more akin to a trip to Alton Towers. I guess it's called progress, and a few chicks and children certainly serve to humanise the experience a little even if some of the 'frisson' one used to enjoy on a match day has gone for ever I agree, in fact there is a group of women who have come without men by me this season. Good to see. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2015 12:11:12 GMT
White
220,529
88.5%
White Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller
183
0.1%
Mixed / Multiple Ethnic Groups
4,491
1.8%
Asian / Asian British: Indian
2,329
0.9%
Asian / Asian British: Pakistani
10,429
4.2%
Asian / Asian British: Bangladeshi
1,097
0.4%
Asian / Asian British: Chinese
1,224
0.5%
Asian / Asian British: Other Asian
3,363
1.4%
Black / African / Caribbean / Black British
3,741
1.5%
Other Ethnic Group
1,622
0.7%
By these figures you would expect to see around 400 black supporters and over 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters at each home game if matchdays were accurately ethnically representative of the City.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:11:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:14:32 GMT
White 220,529 88.5% White Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 183 0.1% Mixed / Multiple Ethnic Groups 4,491 1.8% Asian / Asian British: Indian 2,329 0.9% Asian / Asian British: Pakistani 10,429 4.2% Asian / Asian British: Bangladeshi 1,097 0.4% Asian / Asian British: Chinese 1,224 0.5% Asian / Asian British: Other Asian 3,363 1.4% Black / African / Caribbean / Black British 3,741 1.5% Other Ethnic Group 1,622 0.7% By these figures you would expect to see around 400 black supporters and over 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters at each home game if matchdays were accurately ethnically representative of the City. See, this is why I make the point really and I mentioned it in my original post. We are talking about pushing on as a club and one of the biggest factors that prohibits this is fan base. The 400 black supporters and 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters you have quoted simply do not exist as it is but would most definitely fill a corner (obviously not all in one corner). I do not believe for a second that there isn't the interest. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 30, 2015 12:17:37 GMT
White 220,529 88.5% White Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 183 0.1% Mixed / Multiple Ethnic Groups 4,491 1.8% Asian / Asian British: Indian 2,329 0.9% Asian / Asian British: Pakistani 10,429 4.2% Asian / Asian British: Bangladeshi 1,097 0.4% Asian / Asian British: Chinese 1,224 0.5% Asian / Asian British: Other Asian 3,363 1.4% Black / African / Caribbean / Black British 3,741 1.5% Other Ethnic Group 1,622 0.7% By these figures you would expect to see around 400 black supporters and over 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters at each home game if matchdays were accurately ethnically representative of the City. And don't forget 2.8 gypsies  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2015 12:20:16 GMT
White 220,529 88.5% White Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 183 0.1% Mixed / Multiple Ethnic Groups 4,491 1.8% Asian / Asian British: Indian 2,329 0.9% Asian / Asian British: Pakistani 10,429 4.2% Asian / Asian British: Bangladeshi 1,097 0.4% Asian / Asian British: Chinese 1,224 0.5% Asian / Asian British: Other Asian 3,363 1.4% Black / African / Caribbean / Black British 3,741 1.5% Other Ethnic Group 1,622 0.7% By these figures you would expect to see around 400 black supporters and over 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters at each home game if matchdays were accurately ethnically representative of the City. See, this is why I make the point really and I mentioned it in my original post. We are talking about pushing on as a club and one of the biggest factors that prohibits this is fan base. The 400 black supporters and 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters you have quoted simply do not exist as it is but would most definitely fill a corner (obviously not all in one corner). I do not believe for a second that there isn't the interest. The lack of Black lads (and lasses) down Stoke is more of a surprise. There does seem to be a lack of cultural penetration with football within Asian communities but the game is chock full of black players and positive role models and it really is strange we don't have more black supporters attending the game. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 30, 2015 12:24:01 GMT
Potential asian supporter:-
"I fancy a day out at my local Premier League club. I'll just have a look at what their fans are like on the Oatcake MB. The Everything Else board might be a good place to start..."
Ten minutes later...
"mmm... I think I'll just stay home and watch the shit on Sky."
Seriously - I've taken Muslims, though not Asian, to the Brit with me and facilitated others to go in a group seperately. They were all, to some extent, apprehensive about coming beforehand. As it turned out they all thoroughly enjoyed the experience and none said that they were made to feel uncomfortable in or around the ground. Several have visited since off their own bat.
As fans we should not allow the tiny minority of bigots and racists amongst us drag us all down to their level and put our club at a competitive disadvantage by turning off potential supporters of any minority ethnic or religious background.
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2015 12:25:51 GMT
White 220,529 88.5% White Gypsy / Traveller / Irish Traveller 183 0.1% Mixed / Multiple Ethnic Groups 4,491 1.8% Asian / Asian British: Indian 2,329 0.9% Asian / Asian British: Pakistani 10,429 4.2% Asian / Asian British: Bangladeshi 1,097 0.4% Asian / Asian British: Chinese 1,224 0.5% Asian / Asian British: Other Asian 3,363 1.4% Black / African / Caribbean / Black British 3,741 1.5% Other Ethnic Group 1,622 0.7% By these figures you would expect to see around 400 black supporters and over 1500 Indian/Pakistani supporters at each home game if matchdays were accurately ethnically representative of the City. And 2.8 gypsies See Mick Mills, WD and Sheikmomo. Often seen hanging up clothes outside their caravan on the north car park. |
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2015 12:27:57 GMT
Potential asian supporter:- "I fancy a day out at my local Premier League club. I'll just have a look at what their fans are like on the Oatcake MB. The Everything Else board might be a good place to start..." Ten minutes later... "mmm... I think I'll just stay home and watch the shit on Sky." Seriously - I've taken Muslims, though not Asian, to the Brit with me and facilitated others to go in a group seperately. They were all, to some extent, apprehensive about coming beforehand. As it turned out they all thoroughly enjoyed the experience and none said that they were made to feel uncomfortable in or around the ground. Several have visited since off their own bat. As fans we should not allow the tiny minority of bigots and racists amongst us drag our club down to their level and put our club at a competitive disadvantage by turning off potential supporters of any minority ethnic or religious background. I agree, the EEB is nothing short of an embarrassment. Gave up going on there over a year ago. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2015 12:28:15 GMT
Potential asian supporter:- "I fancy a day out at my local Premier League club. I'll just have a look at what their fans are like on the Oatcake MB. The Everything Else board might be a good place to start..." Ten minutes later... "mmm... I think I'll just stay home and watch the shit on Sky." Seriously - I've taken Muslims, though not Asian, to the Brit with me and facilitated others to go in a group seperately. They were all, to some extent, apprehensive about coming beforehand. As it turned out they all thoroughly enjoyed the experience and none said that they were made to feel uncomfortable in or around the ground. Several have visited since off their own bat. As fans we should not allow the tiny minority of bigots and racists amongst us drag our club down to their level and put our club at a competitive disadvantage by turning off potential supporters of any minority ethnic or religious background. I took an Indian girlfriend to the match about 10 years ago. Absolutely no problems whatsoever but if I said I wasn't fairly concerned beforehand it would be a lie. Therein lies the problem I suppose. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 30, 2015 12:36:22 GMT
There used to be 3 black lads who I'd regularly see at away games about 15 years ago. I remember being at Wrexham one game at they walked in a few rows down. Some blokes behind me started making racist jokes at the sight of them. Not so loud that the black lads could hear but plenty of others could and it was rather eye opening to me how some people think.
I'd like to think we've moved on a bit since then, but can't say I've ever seen those black lads in the last 10 years.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 30, 2015 12:37:40 GMT
Potential asian supporter:- "I fancy a day out at my local Premier League club. I'll just have a look at what their fans are like on the Oatcake MB. The Everything Else board might be a good place to start..." Ten minutes later... "mmm... I think I'll just stay home and watch the shit on Sky." Seriously - I've taken Muslims, though not Asian, to the Brit with me and facilitated others to go in a group seperately. They were all, to some extent, apprehensive about coming beforehand. As it turned out they all thoroughly enjoyed the experience and none said that they were made to feel uncomfortable in or around the ground. Several have visited since off their own bat. As fans we should not allow the tiny minority of bigots and racists amongst us drag our club down to their level and put our club at a competitive disadvantage by turning off potential supporters of any minority ethnic or religious background. I took an Indian girlfriend to the match about 10 years ago. Absolutely no problems whatsoever but if I said I wasn't fairly concerned beforehand it would be a lie. Therein lies the problem I suppose. I was a little concerned for the group I got tickets for seperately. As it happened they were fine. That was Q railing but you never know. I had no worries over the lads with me in the Seddon. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 30, 2015 12:54:39 GMT
Potential asian supporter:- "I fancy a day out at my local Premier League club. I'll just have a look at what their fans are like on the Oatcake MB. The Everything Else board might be a good place to start..." Ten minutes later... "mmm... I think I'll just stay home and watch the shit on Sky." Seriously - I've taken Muslims, though not Asian, to the Brit with me and facilitated others to go in a group seperately. They were all, to some extent, apprehensive about coming beforehand. As it turned out they all thoroughly enjoyed the experience and none said that they were made to feel uncomfortable in or around the ground. Several have visited since off their own bat. As fans we should not allow the tiny minority of bigots and racists amongst us drag our club down to their level and put our club at a competitive disadvantage by turning off potential supporters of any minority ethnic or religious background. I agree, the EEB is nothing short of an embarrassment. Gave up going on there over a year ago. A lot of decent folk have I'm afraid. I admire those that remain. It's certainly no fun. The board is a disgrace and, by association, a stain on us and our club. If you want a real example of "political correctness gone mad", look no further than the way "free speech" on that board is moderated. If you are thick enough* you can pretty much get away with saying anything. It's more important that your opinion is heard and that you are not disadvantaged by your thickness. Madness. (Edit) * or pretend to be (thick) |
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Post by werrington on Sept 30, 2015 12:59:55 GMT
There used to be 3 black lads who I'd regularly see at away games about 15 years ago. I remember being at Wrexham one game at they walked in a few rows down. Some blokes behind me started making racist jokes at the sight of them. Not so loud that the black lads could hear but plenty of others could and it was rather eye opening to me how some people think. I'd like to think we've moved on a bit since then, but can't say I've ever seen those black lads in the last 10 years. I remember those lads mate ...did one have short dreadlocks ? They used to go everywhere but not seen them for years |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 13:01:11 GMT
I agree, the EEB is nothing short of an embarrassment. Gave up going on there over a year ago. A lot of decent folk have I'm afraid. I admire those that remain. It's certainly no fun. The board is a disgrace and, by association, a stain on us and our club. If you want a real example of "political correctness gone mad", look no further than the way "free speech" on that board is moderated. If you are thick enough* you can pretty much get away with saying anything. It's more important that your opinion is heard and that you are not disadvantaged by your thickness. Madness. (Edit) * or pretend to be (thick) What is so bad about it? I rarely visit. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 30, 2015 13:10:16 GMT
A lot of decent folk have I'm afraid. I admire those that remain. It's certainly no fun. The board is a disgrace and, by association, a stain on us and our club. If you want a real example of "political correctness gone mad", look no further than the way "free speech" on that board is moderated. If you are thick enough* you can pretty much get away with saying anything. It's more important that your opinion is heard and that you are not disadvantaged by your thickness. Madness. (Edit) * or pretend to be (thick) What is so bad about it? I rarely visit. It's a charmless place. Try 10 minutes. You may disagree of course. The music threads are pretty good. <winky> |
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Post by muglump on Sept 30, 2015 13:11:44 GMT
A lot of decent folk have I'm afraid. I admire those that remain. It's certainly no fun. The board is a disgrace and, by association, a stain on us and our club. If you want a real example of "political correctness gone mad", look no further than the way "free speech" on that board is moderated. If you are thick enough* you can pretty much get away with saying anything. It's more important that your opinion is heard and that you are not disadvantaged by your thickness. Madness. (Edit) * or pretend to be (thick) What is so bad about it? I rarely visit. Jeez just looked at it, there are some serious masterminds on there. My dad had an Indian mate who always wanted to go the football but didn't dare. There is nothing more stupid than racism but sadly some people are that stupid. If people want to support Stoke then that's cool no matter what they look like or where they originate from and anyone who makes them uncomfortable without a reason should get a quiet but definite rebuke from everyone around them. And if they persist then a quiet but definite thump. This does not mean that we should stop being passionate and 'watch our language'. I learned all of my best swear words in the old Boothen end |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 30, 2015 14:02:00 GMT
My mate Alex follows stoke home and away.
He's a black lad so he bucking the trend.
I believe that the majority of Asian/black fans follow bigger teams.
At old trafford there's always a diverse mix in the crowd when you watch TV.
Maybe it's the club's lack of appeal to fans outside the core support.
And success on the pitch also dictates.
There's an Asian family on our estate and their kids all wear Liverpool shirts, although you can hardly call Liverpool successful in the last 10 years.
It's an interesting conundrum.
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Post by Gods on Sept 30, 2015 14:28:02 GMT
My mate Alex follows stoke home and away. He's a black lad so he bucking the trend. I believe that the majority of Asian/black fans follow bigger teams. At old trafford there's always a diverse mix in the crowd when you watch TV. Maybe it's the club's lack of appeal to fans outside the core support. And success on the pitch also dictates. There's an Asian family on our estate and their kids all wear Liverpool shirts, although you can hardly call Liverpool successful in the last 10 years. It's an interesting conundrum. I have noticed that, definitely a far higher instance of "Sky 6" clubs among the ethnic communities, less heritage in the area perhaps  (He said treading with immense caution as he delivered that sweeping generalisation that is none the less patently, palpably and observably true  ) |
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 30, 2015 15:36:58 GMT
I doubt many of them feel a great pull to the club/city through lack of integration in their communities, and Stoke is not exactly welcoming of outsiders at the best of times.
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 30, 2015 15:37:37 GMT
Theres an asian bloke and his wife (british) and there mixed son in the boothen up the back near me cracking bloke and a mad fan like most of us i think its just a cultural thing more than an atmosphere and enjoyment thing nowadays
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 15:48:00 GMT
My mate Alex follows stoke home and away. He's a black lad so he bucking the trend. I believe that the majority of Asian/black fans follow bigger teams. At old trafford there's always a diverse mix in the crowd when you watch TV. Maybe it's the club's lack of appeal to fans outside the core support. And success on the pitch also dictates. There's an Asian family on our estate and their kids all wear Liverpool shirts, although you can hardly call Liverpool successful in the last 10 years. It's an interesting conundrum. I have noticed that, definitely a far higher instance of "Sky 6" clubs among the ethnic communities, less heritage in the area perhaps He said treading with immense caution as he delivered that sweeping generalisation that is none the less patently, palpably and observably true I think it is a fairly accurate generalisation though, most of the Asian kids at my school supported bigger teams.. Should the club therefore not be doing more to look at getting younger generations within the local Asian community involved, if the interest in football is most definitely there? |
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Post by bigcashprizes on Sept 30, 2015 15:48:49 GMT
See the blokes from Nigdes now and again. Though technically they're european  Yum |
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Post by dexta on Sept 30, 2015 16:15:35 GMT
See the blokes from Nigdes now and again. Though technically they're european Yum thought they were arsenal man city and united tbh |
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