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Post by Gods on Sept 30, 2015 16:19:45 GMT
I couldn't help noticing on recent visits to Upton Park that WHU have more or less mopped up the Eastern European market in the locality.
I guess the thing with Eastern Europeans is if you catch them while they are at school by the time they are 20 they just disappear in to the general masses since put crudely apart from bad jeans they look and sound the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 16:25:32 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working .
Never the twain shall meet .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 16:33:52 GMT
Well, my three kids were at Fulham last week. And they're half Chinese. And they love Stoke. Their Mum's a Yorkshire Chinese girl and a Leeds fan.... but don't hold that against us.
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Post by heavysoul on Sept 30, 2015 16:41:00 GMT
How many Asians work for Stoke City?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 16:41:33 GMT
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Post by heavysoul on Sept 30, 2015 16:43:41 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . Or not many Asian people like football in the area ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 16:49:50 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . Or not many Asian people like football in the area ? That is quite simply bullshit. If you have read any of the posts in the thread you could deduce that the number of Asian people that attend matches (a handful) compared to the amount in the area is staggeringly low. You're not telling me none of them like football or could become Stoke City fans given the opportunity if they are not already particularly interested in football, for whatever reason.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Sept 30, 2015 16:50:00 GMT
See the blokes from Nigdes now and again. Though technically they're european Yum thought they were arsenal man city and united tbh Defo saw them with Tuncay shirts on!
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Post by skip on Sept 30, 2015 16:52:26 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . It's not integration which continues to be the problem rather, *acceptance of difference. Also, with football as it pertains to 'local allegiance' there is something that treads dangerously close to parochial nostalgia that permeates football talk that possibly, albeit completely innocently, isolates those that do not feel part of Stoke-on-Trent/North Staffordshire culture, particularly from the early to mid (to late, even) parts of the twentieth century. Even on here if someone dares to admit that they didn't know Stoke beat Chelsea in '72 they run the risk of a "know your history/fuck off up the Vale/Old Trafford/where were you when were shit" rebuttal so heaven knows what a young Asian kid with a passing interest in footy says to his dad to try and persuade to get a couple of tickets next to one another against a less fancied Premiership team. Hashtag fill in the fucking corners FFS and tap into the untapped market please Stoke City Marketing People. *Yes I know this cuts both ways blah blah blah but when you've got someone (in a pub, on everything else forum on here) casually not giving a shit about deaths of innocents in a Mosque you can hardly blame the casually interested non-white/BAME footy kid from not taking a trip to the Britannia.
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Post by dexta on Sept 30, 2015 16:59:50 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . It's not integration which continues to be the problem rather, *acceptance of difference. Also, with football as it pertains to 'local allegiance' there is something that treads dangerously close to parochial nostalgia that permeates football talk that possibly, albeit completely innocently, isolates those that do not feel part of Stoke-on-Trent/North Staffordshire culture, particularly from the early to mid (to late, even) parts of the twentieth century. Even on here if someone dares to admit that they didn't know Stoke beat Chelsea in '72 they run the risk of a "know your history/fuck off up the Vale/Old Trafford/where were you when were shit" rebuttal so heaven knows what a young Asian kid with a passing interest in footy says to his dad to try and persuade to get a couple of tickets next to one another against a less fancied Premiership team. Hashtag fill in the fucking corners FFS and tap into the untapped market please Stoke City Marketing People. *Yes I know this cuts both ways blah blah blah but when you've got someone (in a pub, on everything else forum on here) casually not giving a shit about deaths of innocents in a Mosque you can hardly blame the casually interested non-white/BAME footy kid from not taking a trip to the Britannia. what you ranting on about owd...
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 30, 2015 17:27:39 GMT
And slowly but rapidly the thread loses any sense of a rational topic of discussion.
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Post by slother on Sept 30, 2015 17:52:21 GMT
It would be interesting to take those ethnicity stats for SOT and control them for household income before worrying too hard about whether ethnic minorities are underrepresented at the Britannia. Maybe there are fewer of these people because they have less time and money to waste on going to the footy :)
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Post by GlennA on Sept 30, 2015 17:59:10 GMT
This is only impressionistic, but I certainly see more Asian fans at the match these days (Premier League years, basically). Not enough to be described as properly representative of the overall mix locally, but certainly an improvement.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 30, 2015 18:08:29 GMT
It has struck me recently that in my 16 years of watching Stoke home and away, I have never really seen many Asian supporters at the match, if any. In fact, I don't really know an awful lot of supporters outside the White British ethnicity group. I realise, I'm opening a bit of a can of worms here but should the club be doing more to encourage diversity amongst supporters and tapping into local Asian communities? If anything, this would make great financial sense given the size of our Asian community. I wouldn't like to think that local people were apprehensive about attending matches due to their ethnicity, though please correct me if I'm wrong and people do know of many Asian supporters.  No more shouldn't be done to attract people from any particular ethnic group because if race doesn't matter then it doesn't matter what race the supporters are . By Asians I assume you mean the Pakistani / Bangladesh variety etc as opposed to our Chinese / Japanese etc brothers and sisters . Football and in particular clubs like Stoke that have always had a big hooligan element have also had a number of racists in their ranks but in this day and age, policing and CCTV etc pretty much has that whole scene wrapped up so nothing is stopping anyone from buying tickets for the match . Special treatment is not needed or welcome
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 30, 2015 18:11:05 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . Gradual is the fucking word, mumf. We live in a City where 89% of the populous remains white British, way behind every other City in the West Midlands and most other major conurbations. Not quite the picture you and some others like to paint it, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 18:18:19 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . Gradual is the fucking word, mumf. We live in a City where 89% of the populous remains white British, way behind every other City in the West Midlands and most other major conurbations. Not quite the picture you and some others like to paint it, is it? i just painted it haven't I ? You've just agreed with me haven't you ? What's happened in the last 10 years is far more accelerated as I can prove and you can research . It's all immaterial however , if they prefer Cricket ....simple as that . I don't really care .
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Post by stokesaint1 on Sept 30, 2015 18:19:51 GMT
The three Asian lads who live next door to my mum, in Tunstall, are all Manure season ticket holders. I took the eldest of the three to the Brit, a good few years ago but he appeared more interested in the girls there than the football on offer. It was me that got them interested in football originally, when they were young but I take no responsibility whatsoever for their current loyalties. We do however still have good banter about the respective fortunes of our teams. Unfortunately I don't get much help from the other blokes in the street, as they're all Vale fans. No accounting for taste really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 18:20:14 GMT
After 45 years of gradual immigration into the city , one can only conclude that the integration successive governments talk incessantly about .....Isn't piggin working . Never the twain shall meet . It's not integration which continues to be the problem rather, *acceptance of difference. Also, with football as it pertains to 'local allegiance' there is something that treads dangerously close to parochial nostalgia that permeates football talk that possibly, albeit completely innocently, isolates those that do not feel part of Stoke-on-Trent/North Staffordshire culture, particularly from the early to mid (to late, even) parts of the twentieth century. Even on here if someone dares to admit that they didn't know Stoke beat Chelsea in '72 they run the risk of a "know your history/fuck off up the Vale/Old Trafford/where were you when were shit" rebuttal so heaven knows what a young Asian kid with a passing interest in footy says to his dad to try and persuade to get a couple of tickets next to one another against a less fancied Premiership team. Hashtag fill in the fucking corners FFS and tap into the untapped market please Stoke City Marketing People. *Yes I know this cuts both ways blah blah blah but when you've got someone (in a pub, on everything else forum on here) casually not giving a shit about deaths of innocents in a Mosque you can hardly blame the casually interested non-white/BAME footy kid from not taking a trip to the Britannia. It's very difficult for me to follow that .....
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 30, 2015 18:30:10 GMT
Gradual is the fucking word, mumf. We live in a City where 89% of the populous remains white British, way behind every other City in the West Midlands and most other major conurbations. Not quite the picture you and some others like to paint it, is it? i just painted it haven't I ? You've just agreed with me haven't you ? What's happened in the last 10 years is far more accelerated as I can prove and you can research . It's all immaterial however , if they prefer Cricket ....simple as that . I don't really care . As a firm surely lucky 7 taxis should be employing 89% white drivers . Proportional representation means that Pakistani drivers should only make up around 5% of the lucky 7 workforce as opposed to 100% of it. Are lucky 7 racist and should more be done to encourage white taxi drivers to take a job with lucky 7 rather than Z cars ?
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 30, 2015 18:33:41 GMT
Having travelled all over the country, I am still amazed that Stoke On Trent is so racist. We have for a City a very low % of ethnic minorities yet we are a stronghold region for the BNP and National Front. Living in Leek I find it almost laughable when I hear people go on about the ethnics, like its some sort of slur "they are taking over" etc, but in reality this area has a lower than average number per population than most areas of the UK. Also to the debate, only by integration can you get acceptance. Therefore we should be reaching out and grabbing the initiative, and that is not just a football club thing, but a society in general.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 30, 2015 18:35:09 GMT
It's not integration which continues to be the problem rather, *acceptance of difference. Also, with football as it pertains to 'local allegiance' there is something that treads dangerously close to parochial nostalgia that permeates football talk that possibly, albeit completely innocently, isolates those that do not feel part of Stoke-on-Trent/North Staffordshire culture, particularly from the early to mid (to late, even) parts of the twentieth century. Even on here if someone dares to admit that they didn't know Stoke beat Chelsea in '72 they run the risk of a "know your history/fuck off up the Vale/Old Trafford/where were you when were shit" rebuttal so heaven knows what a young Asian kid with a passing interest in footy says to his dad to try and persuade to get a couple of tickets next to one another against a less fancied Premiership team. Hashtag fill in the fucking corners FFS and tap into the untapped market please Stoke City Marketing People. *Yes I know this cuts both ways blah blah blah but when you've got someone (in a pub, on everything else forum on here) casually not giving a shit about deaths of innocents in a Mosque you can hardly blame the casually interested non-white/BAME footy kid from not taking a trip to the Britannia. It's very difficult for me to follow that ..... There is a reason for that. I mentioned it last night.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 18:35:11 GMT
i just painted it haven't I ? You've just agreed with me haven't you ? What's happened in the last 10 years is far more accelerated as I can prove and you can research . It's all immaterial however , if they prefer Cricket ....simple as that . I don't really care . As a firm surely lucky 7 taxis should be employing 89% white drivers . Proportional representation means that Pakistani drivers should only make up around 5% of the lucky 7 workforce as opposed to 100% of it. Are lucky 7 racist and should more be done to encourage white taxi drivers to take a job with lucky 7 rather than Z cars ? *Looks at UKIP endorsement* *Instantly skips rest of comment on any sort of social/political matter* ~One of your resident American supporters EDIT: Also just checked out some of stokeharry and others' contributions on the EEB. Many of whose opinions (on football) I took with some gravity. Man alive you people need to get a grip! Such hatred is confounding.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 30, 2015 18:39:53 GMT
As a firm surely lucky 7 taxis should be employing 89% white drivers . Proportional representation means that Pakistani drivers should only make up around 5% of the lucky 7 workforce as opposed to 100% of it. Are lucky 7 racist and should more be done to encourage white taxi drivers to take a job with lucky 7 rather than Z cars ? *Looks at UKIP endorsement* *Instantly skips rest of comment on any sort of social/political matter* ~One of your resident American supporters EDIT: Also just checked out some of stokeharry and others' contributions on the EEB. Many of whose opinions (on football) I took with some gravity. Man alive you people need to get a grip! Such hatred is confounding. Thanks for proving my point
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Post by crownmeking on Sept 30, 2015 18:51:45 GMT
Race religion and politics should be banned on here.
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Post by bristolpotter on Sept 30, 2015 18:52:35 GMT
Sure those 3 black lads were relatives of Kyle Lightbourne, used to see them at most aways around 12-15 years ago
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Post by dexta on Sept 30, 2015 18:57:02 GMT
At the end of the day...most asians support the so called big clubs...thats just the top and bottom of it
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 30, 2015 18:58:57 GMT
Sure those 3 black lads were relatives of Kyle Lightbourne, used to see them at most aways around 12-15 years ago Anyone that's went the match in the early 90s will remember Campbell and Oscar , 2 black lads that didn't give a fuck about race and fitted in as a result . Top lads especially R.C
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 30, 2015 19:04:54 GMT
As a firm surely lucky 7 taxis should be employing 89% white drivers . Proportional representation means that Pakistani drivers should only make up around 5% of the lucky 7 workforce as opposed to 100% of it. Are lucky 7 racist and should more be done to encourage white taxi drivers to take a job with lucky 7 rather than Z cars ? *Looks at UKIP endorsement* *Instantly skips rest of comment on any sort of social/political matter* ~One of your resident American supporters EDIT: Also just checked out some of stokeharry and others' contributions on the EEB. Many of whose opinions (on football) I took with some gravity. Man alive you people need to get a grip! Such hatred is confounding. To be fair to him, stokeharry posseses a degree of self awareness and an appreciation of irony entirely absent in the other 2 members of the (no)Fun Boy Three. He is smarter than them as well. He also has a quietly dry sense of humour. Also he knows exactly what to put in an oatcake. He likes to call a spade a spade (ahem!). and I disagree vehemently with him on 95% of the stuff he writes - but I like him. He probably hates that. Which I like even more. He is an icon of postmodernism. He satirises himself with every post and so is entirely beyond parody. e.g. Take a wild guess at his least favourite film of recent years and then check in the relevant thread on the EE.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 30, 2015 19:12:04 GMT
*Looks at UKIP endorsement* *Instantly skips rest of comment on any sort of social/political matter* ~One of your resident American supporters EDIT: Also just checked out some of stokeharry and others' contributions on the EEB. Many of whose opinions (on football) I took with some gravity. Man alive you people need to get a grip! Such hatred is confounding. To be fair to him, stokeharry posseses a degree of self awareness and an appreciation of irony entirely absent in the other 2 members of the (no)Fun Boy Three. He is smarter than them as well. He also has a quietly dry sense of humour. Also he knows exactly what to put in an oatcake. He likes to call a spade a spade (ahem!). and I disagree vehemently with him on 95% of the stuff he writes - but I like him. He probably hates that. Which I like even more. He is an icon of postmodernism. He satirises himself with every post and so is entirely beyond parody. e.g. Take a wild guess at his least favourite film of recent years and then check in the relevant thread on the EE. Aww thanks , you've made me blush ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 19:15:00 GMT
To be fair to him, stokeharry posseses a degree of self awareness and an appreciation of irony entirely absent in the other 2 members of the (no)Fun Boy Three. He is smarter than them as well. He also has a quietly dry sense of humour. Also he knows exactly what to put in an oatcake. He likes to call a spade a spade (ahem!). and I disagree vehemently with him on 95% of the stuff he writes - but I like him. He probably hates that. Which I like even more. He is an icon of postmodernism. He satirises himself with every post and so is entirely beyond parody. e.g. Take a wild guess at his least favourite film of recent years and then check in the relevant thread on the EE. Aww thanks , you've made me blush ;-) I'd be careful Harry ....************** seems to be trying to groom you ..... Don't forget , he's more intelligent than everyone else .....
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