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Post by johnsmithsupper on Oct 1, 2015 23:52:40 GMT
I'd be surprised if the majority of football supporters would want to return to any form of standing tbh. Every survey of supporters which has been conducted on this topic has shown a majority in favour of standing areas, in most cases a very large majority. Of course, that doesn't mean that the majority of supporters would themselves choose to stand. It's quite logical for someone who wants to sit to vote for some standing areas both because they recognise that not everyone wants to sit, and also because they don't want their own view blocked by someone standing in a seated area, which was the context in which the Supporters council was discussing the issue. It's about choice, within of course the safety regulations. Very unlikely premier league clubs in particular will want to introduce it for a multitude of reasons that most people wouldn't want to hear. One is they have fans now paying large amounts of money to watch and wouldn't want the pressure to reduce prices further in standing areas. My other thoughts are far too controversial to air on here but I'll bet it's what the CEO's and chairmen think.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 2, 2015 0:01:00 GMT
I'd be surprised if the majority of football supporters would want to return to any form of standing tbh.
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 2, 2015 0:25:33 GMT
Every survey of supporters which has been conducted on this topic has shown a majority in favour of standing areas, in most cases a very large majority. Of course, that doesn't mean that the majority of supporters would themselves choose to stand. It's quite logical for someone who wants to sit to vote for some standing areas both because they recognise that not everyone wants to sit, and also because they don't want their own view blocked by someone standing in a seated area, which was the context in which the Supporters council was discussing the issue. It's about choice, within of course the safety regulations. Very unlikely premier league clubs in particular will want to introduce it for a multitude of reasons that most people wouldn't want to hear. One is they have fans now paying large amounts of money to watch and wouldn't want the pressure to reduce prices further in standing areas. My other thoughts are far too controversial to air on here but I'll bet it's what the CEO's and chairmen think. Not so. A majority of PL clubs or their senior executives have come out in favour of either standing areas or at least in favour of trials. To take just one example, David Gold of WHU has tweeted to that effect on a number of occasions. Other PL clubs have told us privately that they are in favour but don't want to go public for various reasons. I also don't agree with your financial point. Standing areas can accommodate more people per unit area so they could reduce prices and increase revenue at the same time. It's obviously impossible for me to comment on your obscure last sentence
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 2, 2015 7:40:18 GMT
I'd be surprised if the majority of football supporters would want to return to any form of standing tbh.
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
Never underestimate the propensity for football supporters to act like idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're correct though.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Oct 2, 2015 8:08:42 GMT
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
Never underestimate the propensity for football supporters to act like idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're correct though. Good morning pug
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Oct 2, 2015 8:10:49 GMT
I'd be surprised if the majority of football supporters would want to return to any form of standing tbh.
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
Not going to happen too much opposition from an area of the country who quite rightly would have massive concerns
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 2, 2015 8:19:00 GMT
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
Not going to happen too much opposition from an area of the country who quite rightly would have massive concerns That's a different argument though. The overwhelming majority of football fans surveyed, want to see a return to standing areas. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/96-percent-football-fans-would-5171299Very balanced debate amongst Liverpool fans here: www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/05/wheres-our-famous-atmosphere-should-liverpool-consider-safe-standing/
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 2, 2015 8:35:50 GMT
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
Not going to happen too much opposition from an area of the country who quite rightly would have massive concerns Who? Please don't say Liverpool as they are worst culprits for standing in seated areas so they can't be that concerned.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2015 8:42:09 GMT
As an aside, are the U-21s also having an international break? Bizarre. Teams (not necessarily us) can miss a teamful of players due to them being called up.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 2, 2015 9:35:10 GMT
Really?
Why?
On every level, it would appear to be the most logical thing to do.
If there was designated standing areas available to supporters, then the issue of seated supporters having their view blocked by those choosing to stand would become a lot more straight forward, as those supporters could be legitimately requested to stand in an appropriate area.
Give people the opportunity to do what they want to do and in most cases they will do so.
Since the club changed it's policy on people being allowed outside the stadium to smoke at half time, the incidents of people smoking in the toilets has COMPLETELY deminished.
You'd look a complete idiot if you were challenged about smoking in the toilets, when there was the opportunity available to you to smoke perfectly legitimately somewhere else - it would be exactly the same when it came to standing whilst the match was in progress.
Not going to happen too much opposition from an area of the country who quite rightly would have massive concerns I think it will happen, a change in the law that is, although I wouldn't like to put a date on it. In recent years there has been a significant change in the nature and tone of the debate and a considerable increase in the amount of support from both decision makers within the game and politicians. Even the Liverpool dimension has altered since the new inquests began, although you are right that the reservations will remain greater in Liverpool than elsewhere and I wouldn't expect Liverpool or Everton FCs to be in the forefront of this in the forseeable future. I do however disagree with the "quite rightly" in your comment - those concerns are not well-founded or evidence-based. The start of next season will see the opening of Celtic's new large standing area ( the law doesn't apply in Scotland) which I think will be another influential milestone on the road to common sense on this matter.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 2, 2015 9:42:51 GMT
Every survey of supporters which has been conducted on this topic has shown a majority in favour of standing areas, in most cases a very large majority. Of course, that doesn't mean that the majority of supporters would themselves choose to stand. It's quite logical for someone who wants to sit to vote for some standing areas both because they recognise that not everyone wants to sit, and also because they don't want their own view blocked by someone standing in a seated area, which was the context in which the Supporters council was discussing the issue. It's about choice, within of course the safety regulations. Very unlikely premier league clubs in particular will want to introduce it for a multitude of reasons that most people wouldn't want to hear. One is they have fans now paying large amounts of money to watch and wouldn't want the pressure to reduce prices further in standing areas. My other thoughts are far too controversial to air on here but I'll bet it's what the CEO's and chairmen think. What are your controversial thoughts? Are they socio-economic?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2015 16:39:23 GMT
It's Russ, he's an idiot too. I'm not a fan of safe standing but we're definitely in the minority re safe standing. The "controversial" thought is surely they think football fans are generally a bunch of nob head hooligans? I might be wide of the mark there though!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 2, 2015 16:47:29 GMT
The "controversial" thought is surely they think football fans are generally a bunch of nob head hooligans? I might be wide of the mark there though! I suspect it is that, along with the fact that those scummy standing up fans are less likely to buy fanboy items from the shop. They may even call the referee or opposing player or supporter a rotter. It's just not 'Brand Scudamore' enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2015 16:51:21 GMT
The "controversial" thought is surely they think football fans are generally a bunch of nob head hooligans? I might be wide of the mark there though! I suspect it is that, along with the fact that those scummy standing up fans are less likely to buy fanboy items from the shop. They may even call the referee or opposing player or supporter a rotter. It's just not 'Brand Scudamore' enough. Pretty much.
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Post by parttimelurker on Oct 2, 2015 18:28:17 GMT
I'd like them to try it in the new corner that they'll build eventually. I think most people fall into either the "for" or the "not bothered" camps - I can't understand why anyone would be against it - I'm all for choice.
I'm in the not bothered camp really so I wouldn't use it. I do wonder how popular it would be once the cool to be old school crew get bored with it especially if they're still paying the same for their tickets.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Oct 2, 2015 21:39:35 GMT
As obi wan says in Star Wars your insight serves you well, I personally don't think the premier lge commercial model involves introducing cheap standing areas and that type of "cost centre". Sad isn't it
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 3, 2015 12:11:36 GMT
I'd like them to try it in the new corner that they'll build eventually. I think most people fall into either the "for" or the "not bothered" camps - I can't understand why anyone would be against it - I'm all for choice. I'm in the not bothered camp really so I wouldn't use it. I do wonder how popular it would be once the cool to be old school crew get bored with it especially if they're still paying the same for their tickets.the only way to find out is to have a few trials. I think it is likely that there will be a substantial number of people who would opt for a new style standing enclosure and would stick to it but I can't prove it until there have been a few trials. As regards price, I think it is likely that prices in the standing areas would be lower than in seated areas in a comparable part of the stadium. e.g. if corner of a ground was all seated and another corner was all standing, the standing prices would probably be lower. Not least because, as Malcolm says above, standing areas will usually have a higher capacity. How much higher capacity depends upon the design of the standing area - in Germany standing capacity seems to vary between +25% and +80% depending upon design. You'd imagine that the trials would start off with something closer to 25% and then increase capacity to see what the user feedback/demand was like. As an example - the big screen corner has a planned seated capacity of 1,800 - if it was planned as standing with a 50% increase, the capacity would be 2,700 - an increase in capacity of 900.
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