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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 13:30:30 GMT
Pugs, cheer up old fella. Ange - some thoughts for next time from me Turnstiles - They have made a slight effort to put some queue control behind the Boothen using the temporary gates that I presume they use for the smokers to create a single line queue from about 15 yards from the actual door - however as 3pm approaches (from about 2.40) the queues beyond that are a bit of a wild west - they form some 8-10 across that means a lot of cajoling to funnel into the single lane at the end, folk just joining the queue halfway down etc - adults is painful enough, but for kids it can be a little menacing - longer barriers out the back please and perhaps the stewards at the end directing people in rather than leaning against the wall looking bored Fanzone - would be fantastic - perhaps in the corner behind Delilahs where there is a ton of space to have an outside bar, use those temporary railings again herd people in (and have the stewards again monitoring the fans and stopping folk wandering off with alcohol etc to keep them there), a screen perhaps on the Delilahs outer wall showing the early game, people may even buy food if on offer (despite it being a full on rip off but thats a different matter). Something for the kids to do (penno shoot out, EA/Playstation bus etc) would be a bonus - would become a great meeting area for many who catch up with friends at the game but maybe dont sit together Expansion - corners obv need doing, but have the club ever considered expanding the back of the Boothen End concourse further? If the back wall was moved 15-20 yards there would still be plenty of space to queue to get in, but having the bars/food counters in the middle with 360 degree access would make the whole before game/half time experience far better - trying to go to the loo, or get a drink in that crush at the break is horrific (esp for a parent with a young lad with me!) and make it a far more social place Some benches/seats / tables (as in the QR upper) wouldnt go begging either! Given the choice of a fanzone or expanded Boothen concourse I would go with the latter. The club aren't interested in doing anything for their supporters. The Supporters Council is a joke and it's members should resign. Sorry, just the way I feel. Come on fella they won't resign yet they've got unfinished business to sort namely a rise in season ticket prices......
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 29, 2015 13:35:02 GMT
Did the idea of building a spur off the main railway line to create a 'Britannia Halt' ever get raised with the club? Remember it being raised on Knot FM a while back and I think it was considered that there was enough merit in the idea to approach the club.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 29, 2015 13:45:13 GMT
The club aren't interested in doing anything for their supporters. The Supporters Council is a joke and it's members should resign. Sorry, just the way I feel. Come on fella they won't resign yet they've got unfinished business to sort namely a rise in season ticket prices...... For that reason alone the Supporters Council should be disbanded. How anyone could carry on after that is beyond me. It's taken them over 15 years to sort the sound system out. People asking for things to be actually built are living on cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 29, 2015 14:00:17 GMT
Think the train line is an issue with stopping as there are a few high speed services (Pendalino etc) that come on the same line that would be impacted.
There is just one line isnt there? Shame there isnt a fast/slow branch line alongside.
(Also a shame that most of the inter-city lines are now cycle tracks or just closed!)
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Post by ange1 on Sept 29, 2015 15:39:43 GMT
Pugsley, sorry you feel that way, but I for one spend a considerable amount of time trying to improve the lot for us, the supporters. I am happy to meet with anyone at any convenient time to discuss any Stoke matters. If you wish to continue beating the drum regarding a comment made by ONE member, incidentally no longer on the council and who was clearly in a minority, that is up to you. Democracy means that anyone can speak their mind, just as you have typed on this forum. I will remind you that ticket prices remained the same and away travel continues. The latter was by no means certain to continue and I believe the Council helped the travel to remain. It just goes to prove that you can't please all the people all of the time. Hopefully people such as yourself will not discourage the ones who get off their backsides and try to help in the future.
Rest assured, all comments good and bad are taken onboard and treated in the same manner as they are delivered.
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Post by ange1 on Sept 29, 2015 15:43:20 GMT
The rail spur was mentioned and was met with an answer best described as not feasible at this time. We will continue to pass on all your observations and ideas. Thanks for your thoughts and interest
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Post by blurtonboy on Sept 29, 2015 16:02:20 GMT
Pugsley, sorry you feel that way, but I for one spend a considerable amount of time trying to improve the lot for us, the supporters. I am happy to meet with anyone at any convenient time to discuss any Stoke matters. If you wish to continue beating the drum regarding a comment made by ONE member, incidentally no longer on the council and who was clearly in a minority, that is up to you. Democracy means that anyone can speak their mind, just as you have typed on this forum. I will remind you that ticket prices remained the same and away travel continues. The latter was by no means certain to continue and I believe the Council helped the travel to remain. It just goes to prove that you can't please all the people all of the time. Hopefully people such as yourself will not discourage the ones who get off their backsides and try to help in the future. Rest assured, all comments good and bad are taken onboard and treated in the same manner as they are delivered. What does the highlighted bit mean Ange? What comments do you think it portrays as a bad idea, is that what the council think, that any bad idea in their eyes is automatically binned from discussion, ever likely nothing gets done regarding supporters suggestions, if you just totally dismiss it straight out of hand.
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Post by ange1 on Sept 29, 2015 16:25:28 GMT
Think you have missunderstood or I haven't made it clear, so for clarity, if supporters feel we are a joke, or useless, i pass on those comments to the Council. Nothing more than that. As I said we pass on all observations made. I stated comments not ideas for that reason.
As for nothing gets done, pretty harsh and factually incorrect in my opinion.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 29, 2015 17:36:58 GMT
Pugsley, sorry you feel that way, but I for one spend a considerable amount of time trying to improve the lot for us, the supporters. I am happy to meet with anyone at any convenient time to discuss any Stoke matters. If you wish to continue beating the drum regarding a comment made by ONE member, incidentally no longer on the council and who was clearly in a minority, that is up to you. Democracy means that anyone can speak their mind, just as you have typed on this forum. I will remind you that ticket prices remained the same and away travel continues. The latter was by no means certain to continue and I believe the Council helped the travel to remain. It just goes to prove that you can't please all the people all of the time. Hopefully people such as yourself will not discourage the ones who get off their backsides and try to help in the future. Rest assured, all comments good and bad are taken onboard and treated in the same manner as they are delivered. I don't doubt peoples intentions, I doubt the effectiveness of a supporters council under this regime. Regarding ticket prices and travel, well the club are dripping in money so any increase would be a disgrace. The free travel, which is totally UNFAIR to a lot of supporters, isn't it the case that the PL have insisted that money is set aside for the benefit of away supporters? I very much doubt the club would do anything if they weren't forced to. It appears that the club do NOTHING for its loyal supporters and treat them with absolute contempt. Talking about extending concourses is nonsensical fantasy. They can't even be bothered to fill in a bloody corner for peanuts.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 29, 2015 17:50:51 GMT
I suppose you can put plenty of suggestions to the club bit if they don't act on them what can you do?
I suppose if everyone who felt strongly about an issue joined forces say out side the entrance on a match day for instance and protested maybe they might stand up and take note.
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Post by towraytek on Sept 29, 2015 17:51:25 GMT
Regarding exit blocking, it might be an idea to leave the live TV coverage on in the concourses until the end of the match, so that those who want to see the last kick and then make a quick exit can do so.
Most fans will still want to be in the stadium until the final whistle so I don't see it causing undue congestion.
Just a thought.
Ek
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 17:54:05 GMT
Regarding exit blocking, it might be an idea to leave the live TV coverage on in the concourses until the end of the match, so that those who want to see the last kick and then make a quick exit can do so. Most fans will still want to be in the stadium until the final whistle so I don't see it causing undue congestion. Just a thought. Ek Here's a better idea. Get the stewards to do the job they are paid to do and move the people on. Christ. What time are they saving by standing there? 2 minutes. Why bother?
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Post by towraytek on Sept 29, 2015 17:59:35 GMT
And the first steward who moves a stoke fan on, and there's a row, and somebody gets banned, is the biggest villain in creation and the fan involved is as innocent as the day is long.
Ek
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 18:07:17 GMT
And the first steward who moves a stoke fan on, and there's a row, and somebody gets banned, is the biggest villain in creation and the fan involved is as innocent as the day is long. Ek It's either a Health and Safety issue or it isn't. There's no middle ground. It's either dealt with at source or we close down the issue for discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 20:27:36 GMT
Thanks for the comments. Re blocking exits, the stewards were reminded again of the duties pre the Bournemouth game. We will make certain the matter is on the agenda again at the next meeting. Re the 5000th game, it really depends on what criteria are used to determine official competitive games. Hopefully we will win it and it will be a memorable event. Ange you can remind the stewards as much as you like but unless they are able to throw dozens out each game without being filled in by numerous unhappy and often drunk "fans" or they employ massive big WWE wrestlers who could deal with the agro it will never be solved. As I said on the other thread I used to be a club steward and for £20 no way was I going to get in a fight every week to clear the way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2015 22:13:02 GMT
"and asked if the Club would consider using first team players more often to draw in crowds." "On behalf of the Council and fans, Angela wished to thank the media department for the recent improved coverage and communication around the U21 team and feels that this has contributed to the attendance levels." It's got worse this season........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 10:47:40 GMT
Regarding exit blocking, it might be an idea to leave the live TV coverage on in the concourses until the end of the match, so that those who want to see the last kick and then make a quick exit can do so. Most fans will still want to be in the stadium until the final whistle so I don't see it causing undue congestion. Just a thought. Ek Here's a better idea. Get the stewards to do the job they are paid to do and move the people on. Christ. What time are they saving by standing there? 2 minutes. Why bother? Next game have a go at clearing the way duck ! Years ago I was made redundant from Royal Doulton and got no redundancy money but I still wanted to watch stoke so I applied and got a job as a steward. I got about £25 a game for 5hrs but I got to watch Stoke so happy days plus I got a few quid to help pay my bills. You got very little training , you often work on your own and nobody and I mean nobody listens to anything you say. So you try and move folk or stop them taking booze inside the seated area and guess what you get verbal abuse, physical abuse threats then others join in and very soon you're surrounded by any number of "fans" telling you what they are doing. So now then do you carry on and eject people ? Thug stewards heavy handed throw youth out , cause fight response from fans or do you just preserve yourself from getting a good hiding and just let things slide. When there is a system to allow stewards to do their job most will do it but the current way just does not work they are very much isolated and venerable so I ask again anyone for £25 would you do it ? I'm in this video 2.20 onwards upper west stand 1998. I was 33 yrs old out of work married with two kids and a mortgage trying to just get a few quid and keep watching Stoke and the people fighting were fans I had spoken to ALL season and got to know. I was also on the receiving end of this too in the Waddington Suite.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 12:58:42 GMT
How many stewards recognise it as a problem?
How many have tried to deal with it and failed?
How many have asked the powers that be for help?
How many just trouser the 25 quid, watch the match and take an easy life?
I'm not daft mate. I know what the fans are like, especially when they've had a few. I've been caught up in enough over the years, ironically against Man City in that game for starters.
There has to be a clear directive in the Stadium Health and Safety manual about it so it's either a problem or it isn't.
If it is a problem then it's up to the Stewards to stop it at source and if they can't they have to feed it back to the club through the proper channels.
If there are no proper channels or the club don't take it seriously then it's a bigger problem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2015 15:38:45 GMT
I think I've pissed them off!
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Post by ange1 on Sept 30, 2015 16:10:54 GMT
Don't flatter yourself Bayern
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2015 16:20:05 GMT
That woman is a tad annoyed.
You seriously need to vet the comments better, that was just embarrassing and goes against everything the club is trying to do with the U-21 side.
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Post by ange1 on Sept 30, 2015 16:25:46 GMT
She has her right to her views as do you and I. My position is Chair not dictator . Thanks for taking the trouble to express your opinion though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2015 16:27:00 GMT
It's not about dictating, it's about garnering what's actually useful and making a change for the better.
When ideas are so obviously daft they should be nipped in the bud.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 30, 2015 16:33:08 GMT
It's not about dictating, it's about garnering what's actually useful and making a change for the better. When ideas are so obviously daft they should be nipped in the bud. Just a thought How about you get yourself nominated for the council?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2015 16:49:21 GMT
It's not about dictating, it's about garnering what's actually useful and making a change for the better. When ideas are so obviously daft they should be nipped in the bud. Just a thought How about you get yourself nominated for the council? Ah the default fall back position. How about people not nominating themselves if they are afraid of a little flack. Facts are we've had a member of the supporters council advocating a ST price hike and the chair person campaigning for something that does not benefit all supporters and could be deemed unfair.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 30, 2015 16:54:53 GMT
Just a thought How about you get yourself nominated for the council? Ah the default fall back position. How about people not nominating themselves if they are afraid of a little flack. Facts are we've had a member of the supporters council advocating a ST price hike and the chair person campaigning for something that does not benefit all supporters and could be deemed unfair. They are representing people's views, that's what it's about. Put forward your ideas, if others think they are good then there is chance that the club will consider suggestions.
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Post by ange1 on Sept 30, 2015 16:57:16 GMT
Pugsley, talking about facts just where did I the chair campaign for anything that did not benefit the supporters?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2015 16:57:32 GMT
Ah the default fall back position. How about people not nominating themselves if they are afraid of a little flack. Facts are we've had a member of the supporters council advocating a ST price hike and the chair person campaigning for something that does not benefit all supporters and could be deemed unfair. They are representing people's views, that's what it's about. Put forward your ideas, if others think they are good then there is chance that the club will consider suggestions. Will they balls.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2015 16:57:22 GMT
It's not about dictating, it's about garnering what's actually useful and making a change for the better. When ideas are so obviously daft they should be nipped in the bud. Just a thought How about you get yourself nominated for the council? Why would I get involved with an organisation who have no teeth? It's a pointless, tick box exercise.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2015 17:00:07 GMT
Pugsley, talking about facts just where did I the chair campaign for anything that did not benefit the supporters? "I will remind you that ticket prices remained the same and away travel continues. The latter was by no means certain to continue and I believe the Council helped the travel to remain" Maybe campaign is the wrong word, but it's something that doesn't benefit all supporters. Is it not true the PL insist on clubs setting aside money for away supporters? What else were they going to do?
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