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Post by hartzchoco on Sept 5, 2015 18:19:19 GMT
Sadly, it isn't silly. Geoff is demonized far more than any other player on our squad. Yet he plays his ass off, fights incredibly hard for our club, and is quality. Yes, quality. Not a 'shit footballer'. If he wasn't from the States, he wouldn't get this disproportionate amount of abuse. Anyone who says different, and they will, is full of shit. Is he bollocks. I treat him like I've treated Wilson, Walters, Whitehead, Collins etc before him.You're paranoid beyond belief! You don't, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 18:33:04 GMT
I think if it wasn't for Bayerns one man crusade against Geoffrey the debates would be a bit more balanced. He gets people's backs up with his constant criticism of him,and personally I think it's got to a point where he is enjoying it that much that he is going to keep it going It's barely a crusade is it? I point stuff out, people get on my back because they feel like I treat him differently. I don't. I couldn't give a fuck about Geoff Cameron! Very paranoid and it's like they've forgotten I've treated Wilson, Walters, Whitehead etc exactly like this. It's not my fault he keeps making mistakes that lead to goals is it? no it's not mate but your comment "I don't give a fuck about Geoff Cameron" tells me I'm right
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2015 18:34:06 GMT
Is he bollocks. I treat him like I've treated Wilson, Walters, Whitehead, Collins etc before him.You're paranoid beyond belief! You don't, actually. I love how you're a mind reader. Especially Whitehead and Collins who got way more than this. This isn't even me being harsh like I have been with Walters either, I just point stuff out that actually happens, nothing more nothing less. I dislike 3 of those 4 way more than Geoff. And one (Wilson) equally. But you obviously know my mind better than I do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2015 18:37:38 GMT
It's barely a crusade is it? I point stuff out, people get on my back because they feel like I treat him differently. I don't. I couldn't give a fuck about Geoff Cameron! Very paranoid and it's like they've forgotten I've treated Wilson, Walters, Whitehead etc exactly like this. It's not my fault he keeps making mistakes that lead to goals is it? no it's not mate but your comment "I don't give a fuck about Geoff Cameron" tells me I'm right Why would I give a fuck about him? There are plenty of Stoke players I don't and haven't give a fuck about. I don't and never have bought into the unrequited love fandom bollocks. As evidenced by my views on Walters, Wilson, Whitehead and Collins to name a few. If I don't think they're good then I tend not to care about them. And like I said, 3 of those 4 I dislike way more than Cameron. That's why this crusade bollocks and the bollocks about hating Americans is well just bollocks.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 20:45:52 GMT
I was kind of thinking about our performance away to Norwich and thinking if we play the same formation against Arsenal with the same kind of defending that it could be a rather long night. I think he has to move Cameron from the central defensive position and move Wolly in to provide a bit aerial presence for this game. Also needs to drop Shakira for this one who is not fit(physically or match) and replace him with a bit of energy, maybe Cam can move to midfield. Will be interesting to see who he picks for the Arsenal game. For me, same setup as Norwich with VG in Centre Mid & Cam in Centre Defence = possible mauling Shaqiri wasn't far off match fitness against West Brom and by the time of the Arsenal game he could have played internationals for Switzerland. If we don't play him against Arsenal we will deserve to lose. If he can't go beyond 70 minutes we bring a sub on, that's what subs are for. More useful from the bench in this game, which is where and how he should have been used until fit and up to pace, the more traditional route if you like, a bit like Hughes is doing with Bojan. He is going to have to do a fair bit of chasing in away matches and was lacking a bit in that area against Norwich(and that is being kind) - can we risk playing him against Arsenal in what is already a lightweight midfield?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 5, 2015 21:25:59 GMT
We're going to waste Shaqiri if we're going to worry about him tracking back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2015 21:27:56 GMT
Drop Shaqiri?
What the fuck?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 5, 2015 21:28:54 GMT
Drop Shaqiri? What the fuck? Because he's not Jon Walters, from the sounds...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2015 21:30:48 GMT
Drop Shaqiri? What the fuck? Because he's not Jon Walters, from the sounds... Surely that's something to celebrate?
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Post by metalhead on Sept 5, 2015 21:57:12 GMT
No point in dropping Shaq. Won't gain fitness otherwise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2015 22:00:26 GMT
And he's our best attacking player by an absolute mile.......
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 22:07:58 GMT
We're going to waste Shaqiri if we're going to worry about him tracking back. I think I am correct in saying that the Brady guy(Norwich) created a premier league record in terms of goal scoring chances against Stoke, which came down the Shaqiri side of the park, tracking back, in away games in particular, is something he going to have to get used to. I am saying for this game it would be a risk to play him given the opposition we are playing against. And yes, we need at 3 energetic midfielders against Arsenal which will probably include Walters Whelan and possibly Cameron who will definitely be dropped for Wolly, in CD, to try and combat Koscielny's aerial presence. I would also stick Twinkle Toes(Bojan) in for this one as he can put his foot on the ball and pull a few strings from the centre of the park(for 60 mins anyway) and also wont forget his defensive duties and for the record I would also play Crouch who can hold the ball up rather well too. Team for the game: But Pieters Wolly Mun Johnson Cameron Walters Whelan Bojan Arnie Crouch
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 5, 2015 22:14:21 GMT
If he's a fit our record signing must play.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 5, 2015 22:27:24 GMT
We're going to waste Shaqiri if we're going to worry about him tracking back. I think I am correct in saying that the Brady guy(Norwich) created a premier league record in terms of goal scoring chances against Stoke, which came down the Shaqiri side of the park, tracking back, in away games in particular, is something he going to have to get used to. I am saying for this game it would be a risk to play him given the opposition we are playing against. And yes, we need at 3 energetic midfielders against Arsenal which will probably include Walters Whelan and possibly Cameron who will definitely be dropped for Wolly, in CD, to try and combat Koscielny's aerial presence. I would also stick Twinkle Toes(Bojan) in for this one as he can put his foot on the ball and pull a few strings from the centre of the park(for 60 mins anyway) and also wont forget his defensive duties and for the record I would also play Crouch who can hold the ball up rather well too. Team for the game: But Pieters Wolly Mun Johnson Cameron Walters Whelan Bojan Arnie Crouch Where's the pace in that team though? We play on the break... Bojan looks miles off it to me still. I think Shaqiri has been good so far and will only get better.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 5, 2015 22:29:14 GMT
Bojan being right or not, I'd start him against Arsenal.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 5, 2015 22:31:43 GMT
If he's not ready he shouldn't start.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 5, 2015 22:34:00 GMT
If he's not ready he shouldn't start. He's fit enough for 90 minutes, quite obviously. Not saying he'd be on form but bringing him in for such a big game might give him the confidence to bring his A game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 5, 2015 22:37:45 GMT
If he's not ready he shouldn't start. He's fit enough for 90 minutes, quite obviously. Not saying he'd be on form but bringing him in for such a big game might give him the confidence to bring his A game. He looks miles off fitness! He was ok vs Luton in the first half but his passing very hit and miss and in the second he might as well have not been on the pitch. Ireland has to start.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 22:41:35 GMT
I think I am correct in saying that the Brady guy(Norwich) created a premier league record in terms of goal scoring chances against Stoke, which came down the Shaqiri side of the park, tracking back, in away games in particular, is something he going to have to get used to. I am saying for this game it would be a risk to play him given the opposition we are playing against. And yes, we need at 3 energetic midfielders against Arsenal which will probably include Walters Whelan and possibly Cameron who will definitely be dropped for Wolly, in CD, to try and combat Koscielny's aerial presence. I would also stick Twinkle Toes(Bojan) in for this one as he can put his foot on the ball and pull a few strings from the centre of the park(for 60 mins anyway) and also wont forget his defensive duties and for the record I would also play Crouch who can hold the ball up rather well too. Team for the game: But Pieters Wolly Mun Johnson Cameron Walters Whelan Bojan Arnie Crouch Where's the pace in that team though? We play on the break... Bojan looks miles off it to me still. I think Shaqiri has been good so far and will only get better. Crouch has pace to burn and would be useful at defending set pieces also(safe to say we will be defending quite a few of those) Bojan looked ok to me against Luton in terms of fitness, granted his touch and passing were a bit off, but there were glimpses of his usual cleverness and still looked a cut above Shaqiri is a great player and in time will be great buy for us, but just think he is a little of the pace, at present, and could cost in this game
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 5, 2015 22:42:53 GMT
If he's not ready he shouldn't start. He's fit enough for 90 minutes, quite obviously. Not saying he'd be on form but bringing him in for such a big game might give him the confidence to bring his A game. Big difference between 90 minutes against Luton and Arsenal. Think it's better all round if we unleash him when he's 100%. Confident Hughes will know when that is.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 5, 2015 22:44:25 GMT
Where's the pace in that team though? We play on the break... Bojan looks miles off it to me still. I think Shaqiri has been good so far and will only get better. Crouch has pace to burn and would be useful at defending set pieces also(safe to say we will be defending quite a few of those) Bojan looked ok to me against Luton in terms of fitness, granted his touch and passing were a bit off, but there were glimpses of his usual cleverness and still looked a cut above Shaqiri is a great player and in time will be great buy for us, but just think he is a little of the pace, at present, and could cost in this game I thought Bojan looked far more off the pace than Shaqiri. Our defending could be better no question but the days when that's our only concern are thankfully over.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 5, 2015 22:48:52 GMT
We're going to waste Shaqiri if we're going to worry about him tracking back. I think I am correct in saying that the Brady guy(Norwich) created a premier league record in terms of goal scoring chances against Stoke, which came down the Shaqiri side of the park, tracking back, in away games in particular, is something he going to have to get used to. I am saying for this game it would be a risk to play him given the opposition we are playing against. And yes, we need at 3 energetic midfielders against Arsenal which will probably include Walters Whelan and possibly Cameron who will definitely be dropped for Wolly, in CD, to try and combat Koscielny's aerial presence. I would also stick Twinkle Toes(Bojan) in for this one as he can put his foot on the ball and pull a few strings from the centre of the park(for 60 mins anyway) and also wont forget his defensive duties and for the record I would also play Crouch who can hold the ball up rather well too. Team for the game: But Pieters Wolly Mun Johnson Cameron Walters Whelan Bojan Arnie Crouch Diouf? He has to play. We need quick attackers for this- Shaqiri Diouf and Arnie
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 22:54:10 GMT
Crouch has pace to burn and would be useful at defending set pieces also(safe to say we will be defending quite a few of those) Bojan looked ok to me against Luton in terms of fitness, granted his touch and passing were a bit off, but there were glimpses of his usual cleverness and still looked a cut above Shaqiri is a great player and in time will be great buy for us, but just think he is a little of the pace, at present, and could cost in this game I thought Bojan looked far more off the pace than Shaqiri. Our defending could be better no question but the days when that's our only concern are thankfully over. I do think our defending at present(throughout the team) is a very big concern(for me anyway) which we got away with away to Norwich and at time Spuds, but Arsenal maybe a different story if not addressed
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 5, 2015 23:18:08 GMT
For me we need lots of energy v Arsenal but if we start with the team above we'd just end up with a comfortable Pulis style defeat. They shouldn't be as big a threat from set pieces. I'd go with
Jack
Glen Wilson Muni Eric
Whelan Geoff
Shaq Ireland Arni
Diouf
We want there defence to worry. Playing Walters and Crouchy would play into there hands
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 23:25:22 GMT
I think I am correct in saying that the Brady guy(Norwich) created a premier league record in terms of goal scoring chances against Stoke, which came down the Shaqiri side of the park, tracking back, in away games in particular, is something he going to have to get used to. I am saying for this game it would be a risk to play him given the opposition we are playing against. And yes, we need at 3 energetic midfielders against Arsenal which will probably include Walters Whelan and possibly Cameron who will definitely be dropped for Wolly, in CD, to try and combat Koscielny's aerial presence. I would also stick Twinkle Toes(Bojan) in for this one as he can put his foot on the ball and pull a few strings from the centre of the park(for 60 mins anyway) and also wont forget his defensive duties and for the record I would also play Crouch who can hold the ball up rather well too. Team for the game: But Pieters Wolly Mun Johnson Cameron Walters Whelan Bojan Arnie Crouch Diouf? He has to play. We need quick attackers for this- Shaqiri Diouf and Arnie I may be wrong but I am sure I have read somewhere that both Shaqriri & VG have to start games if fit, as in it is written in there contracts - Not sure how true this is - can anybody clarify this or am I dreaming. Be interesting to see his line-up for this game if true
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 23:36:57 GMT
For me we need lots of energy v Arsenal but if we start with the team above we'd just end up with a comfortable Pulis style defeat. They shouldn't be as big a threat from set pieces. I'd go with Jack Glen Wilson Muni Eric Whelan Geoff Shaq Ireland Arni Diouf We want there defence to worry. Playing Walters and Crouchy would play into there hands Cant say I would be too unhappy with that side, although Hughes like his predecessor likes to play 3 energetic midfield players for these type of games Nzonzi & Walters being favoured to flank Whelan in the past. Shaq, Ireland, Arni might be perceived as a bit of a luxury for this particular game - even for Hughes.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 5, 2015 23:41:26 GMT
Diouf? He has to play. We need quick attackers for this- Shaqiri Diouf and Arnie I may be wrong but I am sure I have read somewhere that both Shaqriri & VG have to start games if fit, as in it is written in there contracts - Not sure how true this is - can anybody clarify this or am I dreaming. Be interesting to see his line-up for this game if true I very much doubt that is true, however for me both should play at Arsenal anyway. Butland Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters V.Ginkel Whelan Shaq Ireland Arnie Diouf I also think this is what Hughes will go with the only change i could see him possibly making is bringing Cameron into midfield to play with Whelan and Van Ginkel in a 3 with Wilson at CB.
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Post by Davef on Sept 5, 2015 23:43:34 GMT
Cameron's a worry is he?
He's in virtually every bloody team that's been suggested in this thread!
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 5, 2015 23:56:51 GMT
I may be wrong but I am sure I have read somewhere that both Shaqriri & VG have to start games if fit, as in it is written in there contracts - Not sure how true this is - can anybody clarify this or am I dreaming. Be interesting to see his line-up for this game if true I very much doubt that is true, however for me both should play at Arsenal anyway. Butland Johnson Cameron Muniesa Pieters V.Ginkel Whelan Shaq Ireland Arnie Diouf I also think this is what Hughes will go with the only change i could see him possibly making is bringing Cameron into midfield to play with Whelan and Van Ginkel in a 3 with Wilson at CB. Cant see us starting with that team - not against the Arse. No aerial ability, no protection for the back four, pretty much the same team Norwich walked through. You may be right in him putting Cameron into mid with VG/Whelan and moving Wilson into CD
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Post by kustokie on Sept 6, 2015 4:11:34 GMT
Diouf? He has to play. We need quick attackers for this- Shaqiri Diouf and Arnie I may be wrong but I am sure I have read somewhere that both Shaqriri & VG have to start games if fit, as in it is written in there contracts - Not sure how true this is - can anybody clarify this or am I dreaming. Be interesting to see his line-up for this game if true you're dreaming no way would a team agree to that
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