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Post by padders01 on Sept 2, 2015 22:29:02 GMT
Very sad :-(
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Sept 3, 2015 6:03:07 GMT
It's absolutely heartbreaking. Him along with his 5 year old brother and mother died trying to escape I.S. and we sit hear moaning about having Charlie Adam sent off last Saturday.
Certainly puts things into perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 7:25:32 GMT
As sad and heart breaking it is , there have been 2500 similar deaths this year alone . Not all those deaths have been as a result of escaping IS and it will continue until the EU takes drastic action to avert this ongoing crisis . The scenes in Hungary this morning are chaotic and very worrying . One image of a young child is quite evocative and compelling . Hopefully , it will help to bring the current situation to an abrupt end and avoid further deaths . Immediate action is now needed by the EU leaders because by allowing more trafficking across the Med will only result in more deaths and horrific images .
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Post by Northy on Sept 3, 2015 7:46:55 GMT
As sad and heart breaking it is , there have been 2500 similar deaths this year alone . Not all those deaths have been as a result of escaping IS and it will continue until the EU takes drastic action to avert this ongoing crisis . The scenes in Hungary this morning are chaotic and very worrying . One image of a young child is quite evocative and compelling . Hopefully , it will help to bring the current situation to an abrupt end and avoid further deaths . Immediate action is now needed by the EU leaders because by allowing more trafficking across the Med will only result in more deaths and horrific images . Agree, and this needs to be a UN led agenda, they seem very silent at the moment, it needs stopping at source. All the armies in the world, encircle IS and taliban territory, march in and wipe the bastards off the face of the earth |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 3, 2015 8:09:43 GMT
Good news for Katie Hopkins though. This was her take on refugees
NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.
That was the start of a column in Britain's best selling daily publication. You know, the column with this headline....
Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants
How was such murder promoting bile allowed to be published? Murdoch isn't known for decency but doesn't it cross too many lines? Sadly, in too many terms it doesn't. The issue of immigration and refugees has turned too many people into savages. Too often cruelty and severe leadership is mistaken for strong leadership. These tragedies are being allowed to happen because too many people disregard refugees as if they aren't actually people. There are 60million refugees on earth and nobody gave a dam until 10% of them started to approach Europe. Then the solution to a building humanitarian tragedy for some people was a gunboat.
As grave as the photo is, however much emotion it provokes it is the consequence of apparent indifference, and in Hopkins' case glee, at the trauma many suffer across the planet.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 3, 2015 8:18:59 GMT
As sad and heart breaking it is , there have been 2500 similar deaths this year alone . Not all those deaths have been as a result of escaping IS and it will continue until the EU takes drastic action to avert this ongoing crisis . The scenes in Hungary this morning are chaotic and very worrying . One image of a young child is quite evocative and compelling . Hopefully , it will help to bring the current situation to an abrupt end and avoid further deaths . Immediate action is now needed by the EU leaders because by allowing more trafficking across the Med will only result in more deaths and horrific images . Agree, and this needs to be a UN led agenda, they seem very silent at the moment, it needs stopping at source. All the armies in the world, encircle IS and taliban territory, march in and wipe the bastards off the face of the earth I'd like to know what this EU/UN solution would be. Certainly, I don't have an answer, as everything I can think of, would just make the situation worse. The solution above is never going to happen, as it would require the Arab states to take action, problem is, they don't want to tackle this issue because siding against IS would cause their countries to go up in flames because of the whole Sunni/Shia Islamic divide. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 8:23:55 GMT
The ethics of her comments and the general outrage it creates only serves to enhance her reputation and career, in a similar way that IS thrives on its notoriety and fear .
The reason these tragedies are happening is because there is no shortage of refugees prepared to risk their own and their children's lives for a better existence and so far the EU has not addressed the problem .
Their place is at home ....that place is not Bradford , Berlin or Bergerac . Solve the crisis at source and don't pass it on for others to sort out.
Sadly , that means intervention ....UN intervention.
Yes please ....!
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 3, 2015 8:49:41 GMT
Good news for Katie Hopkins though. This was her take on refugees NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. That was the start of a column in Britain's best selling daily publication. You know, the column with this headline.... Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants How was such murder promoting bile allowed to be published? Murdoch isn't known for decency but doesn't it cross too many lines? Sadly, in too many terms it doesn't. The issue of immigration and refugees has turned too many people into savages. Too often cruelty and severe leadership is mistaken for strong leadership. These tragedies are being allowed to happen because too many people disregard refugees as if they aren't actually people. There are 60million refugees on earth and nobody gave a dam until 10% of them started to approach Europe. Then the solution to a building humanitarian tragedy for some people was a gunboat. As grave as the photo is, however much emotion it provokes it is the consequence of apparent indifference, and in Hopkins' case glee, at the trauma many suffer across the planet. That filthy rag & all who sail in her have been painting black as white ,corrupting generations & behaving like brazen whores for years |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 3, 2015 9:37:13 GMT
I don't buy it that they're all refugee's feeling for their lives from ISIS. Sure, some are, but most aren't. If you're fleeing from Syria as most claim they are, you only have to hop over the border into Turkey & you're safe. ISIS aren't fighting there & Turkey have a strong army to keep them out if they tried. It's a country that shares a similar language & culture... And surely the main point in 'fleeing for your life' is that you're now safe? (And you're still nice & close so you can go back home when the war has ended) Why do you then need to jump in a dingy to reach Greece? Climb over razor wire to get in Hungry? Fight with police to get onto a train to Germany? None of that makes sense... It makes even less sense for the people who're coming from places like Pakistan, they've had to travel straight through the war to get into Europe. They're not refugee's, they're immigrants, illegal immigrants.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 9:55:57 GMT
I don't buy it that they're all refugee's feeling for their lives from ISIS. Sure, some are, but most aren't. If you're fleeing from Syria as most claim they are, you only have to hop over the border into Turkey & you're safe. ISIS aren't fighting there & Turkey have a strong army to keep them out if they tried. It's a country that shares a similar language & culture... And surely the main point in 'fleeing for your life' is that you're now safe? (And you're still nice & close so you can go back home when the war has ended) Why do you then need to jump in a dingy to reach Greece? Climb over razor wire to get in Hungry? Fight with police to get onto a train to Germany? None of that makes sense... It makes even less sense for the people who're coming from places like Pakistan, they've had to travel straight through the war to get into Europe. They're not refugee's, they're immigrants, illegal immigrants. I wonder why they'd rather come to the EU, wouldn't have anything to do with the benefits that they recieve would it :/ Desperate men on the run don't have time to stop on the beach in Kos and pose for a photo with their latest iPhone . Desperate men on the run don't leave their women and kids behind and it's plain for everyone to see that the majority of these so called refugees are young healthy men . Also men , REAL men don't flee and leave their families behind to face the enemy single handidly , they stay behind and FIGHT ISIS said that they'd infiltrate Europe in this way and it's exactly what they are doing . RIP to the innocent child caught up in all this pathetic bullshit |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2015 9:56:05 GMT
Of all the organisations out there, the Arab League is surely the most impotent, it stands back idly whilst the people of it's Member nations die. The EU/UN response has been poor but this is fundamentally an issue for which the Arab League was surely established for?
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Post by desman2 on Sept 3, 2015 10:00:44 GMT
I cant fathom out why the EU was actually going out of its way to support all this open border stuff. I t was clear to everyone but them that it would end up getting exploited. At some point the people of Europe will get fed up and start to take matters upon themselves.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2015 10:03:31 GMT
I cant fathom out why the EU was actually going out of its way to support all this open border stuff. I t was clear to everyone but them that it would end up getting exploited. At some point the people of Europe will get fed up and start to take matters upon themselves. That's the greatest fear, this whole sorry state of affairs has powder keg written all over it, all it's going to take is a few nutters on either side to kick off some very nasty stuff in Europe. |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 3, 2015 10:06:10 GMT
I cant fathom out why the EU was actually going out of its way to support all this open border stuff. I t was clear to everyone but them that it would end up getting exploited. At some point the people of Europe will get fed up and start to take matters upon themselves. That's the greatest fear, this whole sorry state of affairs has powder keg written all over it, all it's going to take is a few nutters on either side to kick off some very nasty stuff in Europe. People have said this all along and no one listens do they, preferring to put anyone down who brought it up. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2015 10:12:02 GMT
That's the greatest fear, this whole sorry state of affairs has powder keg written all over it, all it's going to take is a few nutters on either side to kick off some very nasty stuff in Europe. People have said this all along and no one listens do they, preferring to put anyone down who brought it up. The whole thing reeks of mismanagement at the highest echelons of authority, for years these people were oppressed by corrupt and decadent rulers, the same rulers that run a "co-operative organisation" in the area, they get overthrown either through an exasperated populace (Syria/Libya/Tunisia), or by ill advised western interventions (Iraq/Afghanistan) and replaced by either flimsy transitional governments in the latter that can barely control their own borders or frankly a more frightening alternative as we have seen in Syria. The response from the Arab League has been non-existent, the EU have missed the mark completely and the UN is struggling to clean up the mess. The Arab spring an the optimism it generated in 2010-2011 has been replaced by children drowning in the Mediterranean. Terrible. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 3, 2015 12:21:39 GMT
Why not put 100,000 young Syrian men ( and most of these refugees/migrants are young men..(Don't Syria have older women?) into 12 week basic Army training courses then send them back into Syria with weapons & ammo and wipe those ISIL bastards out.
Hey Presto.
Problem solved.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 12:35:58 GMT
Good news for Katie Hopkins though. This was her take on refugees NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. That was the start of a column in Britain's best selling daily publication. You know, the column with this headline.... Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants How was such murder promoting bile allowed to be published? Murdoch isn't known for decency but doesn't it cross too many lines? Sadly, in too many terms it doesn't. The issue of immigration and refugees has turned too many people into savages. Too often cruelty and severe leadership is mistaken for strong leadership. These tragedies are being allowed to happen because too many people disregard refugees as if they aren't actually people. There are 60million refugees on earth and nobody gave a dam until 10% of them started to approach Europe. Then the solution to a building humanitarian tragedy for some people was a gunboat. As grave as the photo is, however much emotion it provokes it is the consequence of apparent indifference, and in Hopkins' case glee, at the trauma many suffer across the planet. I'm amazed that this absolute c&*t has been allowed to peddle her bile, for as long as she has, and seems to continuously be offered up opportunities through the media, including TV, to push her vile, idiotic, look at me, pseudo-controversial agenda. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2015 12:40:19 GMT
Why not put 100,000 young Syrian men ( and most of these refugees/migrants are young men..(Don't Syria have older women?) into 12 week basic Army training courses then send them back into Syria with weapons & ammo and wipe those ISIL bastards out. Hey Presto. Problem solved. So when they all leave in droves again after being forced to fight they have weapons to threaten border staff with? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 3, 2015 12:41:24 GMT
Good news for Katie Hopkins though. This was her take on refugees NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad. That was the start of a column in Britain's best selling daily publication. You know, the column with this headline.... Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants How was such murder promoting bile allowed to be published? Murdoch isn't known for decency but doesn't it cross too many lines? Sadly, in too many terms it doesn't. The issue of immigration and refugees has turned too many people into savages. Too often cruelty and severe leadership is mistaken for strong leadership. These tragedies are being allowed to happen because too many people disregard refugees as if they aren't actually people. There are 60million refugees on earth and nobody gave a dam until 10% of them started to approach Europe. Then the solution to a building humanitarian tragedy for some people was a gunboat. As grave as the photo is, however much emotion it provokes it is the consequence of apparent indifference, and in Hopkins' case glee, at the trauma many suffer across the planet. I'm amazed that this absolute c&*t has been allowed to peddle her bile, for as long as she has, and seems to continuously be offered up opportunities through the media, including TV, to push her vile, idiotic, look at me, pseudo-controversial agenda. It's the Ali factor. And the Mayweather factor. You mouth off and be obnoxious and you watch hoping to see them get their head kicked in. BUT the point is you watch. Hopkins comes out with horrible nasty stuff and people take notice to be outraged BUT she has your attention so you tune in read it whatever and it sells advertising so she gets more work. If she ever turned rational you would never here of her again. |
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Post by derrida1437 on Sept 3, 2015 12:41:35 GMT
It is a humanitarian crisis in part caused by our own country and her friends.
It's humans needing help from humans. We're all the same.
There's only one reason you'd think otherwise and one kind of person who'd think otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 12:44:20 GMT
I'm amazed that this absolute c&*t has been allowed to peddle her bile, for as long as she has, and seems to continuously be offered up opportunities through the media, including TV, to push her vile, idiotic, look at me, pseudo-controversial agenda. It's the Ali factor. And the Mayweather factor. You mouth off and be obnoxious and you watch hoping to see them get their head kicked in. BUT the point is you watch. Hopkins comes out with horrible nasty stuff and people take notice to be outraged BUT she has your attention so you tune in read it whatever and it sells advertising so she gets more work. If she ever turned rational you would never here of her again. You're right. Someone's 'buying it'. |
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Post by redstriper on Sept 3, 2015 12:44:38 GMT
Of all the organisations out there, the Arab League is surely the most impotent, it stands back idly whilst the people of it's Member nations die. The EU/UN response has been poor but this is fundamentally an issue for which the Arab League was surely established for? You're right. Very good point. Whilst we're wringing our hands in Europe the politicians in the region appear to do little or nothing. We should be highlighting this. How many refugees has Saudi taken ? |
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Post by redstriper on Sept 3, 2015 12:49:01 GMT
This mornings outburst from Sturgeon reeks of political opportunism - "Cameron should do (this and that)", I don't recall her saying that before the tide of public opinion turned over the weekend. I haven't seen the SNP doing anything either.
Yet another example of why we despise most politicians...
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 3, 2015 12:56:39 GMT
Why not put 100,000 young Syrian men ( and most of these refugees/migrants are young men..(Don't Syria have older women?) into 12 week basic Army training courses then send them back into Syria with weapons & ammo and wipe those ISIL bastards out. Hey Presto. Problem solved. So when they all leave in droves again after being forced to fight they have weapons to threaten border staff with? Why would they all want to leave again? There would be no reason to if ISIL had gone. |
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Post by basingstokie on Sept 3, 2015 12:58:19 GMT
It is very sad, but the sad truth is that Europe doesn't have room for all the migrants who would like to move here.
What we need to do is make their own countries better so they don't want to move here.
Saw an interesting article about other middle east countries today, suggesting that they make it virtually impossible for migrants to settle there (v tough VISA requirements, can't get jobs etc) and in so doing avoid what might be called excessive immigration.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2015 13:01:07 GMT
So when they all leave in droves again after being forced to fight they have weapons to threaten border staff with? Why would they all want to leave again? There would be no reason to if ISIL had gone. Conscription on that scale breeds mass desertion. Because they're not soldiers and like most normal people they're terrified of warfare facing an enemy who fight without fear or quarter. Do we send the kids to fight them as well in this motley conscript army? |
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 13:22:54 GMT
So when they all leave in droves again after being forced to fight they have weapons to threaten border staff with? Why would they all want to leave again? There would be no reason to if ISIL had gone. Benefits . Spreading Islam . They'd find a reason/excuse |
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Post by desman2 on Sept 3, 2015 14:00:26 GMT
Whether anyone likes it or not, the only ones who can make their countries stable are themselves. Whether its ISIS or any other group from now on in any country that has nut cases running amok in it will give those that live their a reason to gatecrash in Europe.
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Post by Northy on Sept 3, 2015 14:10:33 GMT
Agree, and this needs to be a UN led agenda, they seem very silent at the moment, it needs stopping at source. All the armies in the world, encircle IS and taliban territory, march in and wipe the bastards off the face of the earth I'd like to know what this EU/UN solution would be. Certainly, I don't have an answer, as everything I can think of, would just make the situation worse. The solution above is never going to happen, as it would require the Arab states to take action, problem is, they don't want to tackle this issue because siding against IS would cause their countries to go up in flames because of the whole Sunni/Shia Islamic divide. The Saudis are bombing in yemen so there's a start, but as you say they are not an easy case, it's like Ireland but 1000 times bigger |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 3, 2015 15:15:39 GMT
I'd like to know what this EU/UN solution would be. Certainly, I don't have an answer, as everything I can think of, would just make the situation worse. The solution above is never going to happen, as it would require the Arab states to take action, problem is, they don't want to tackle this issue because siding against IS would cause their countries to go up in flames because of the whole Sunni/Shia Islamic divide. The Saudis are bombing in yemen so there's a start, but as you say they are not an easy case, it's like Ireland but 1000 times bigger Well Blair sorted Ireland out, perhaps he should spend some time as a special UN advisor to the Middle east... |
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