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Post by Northy on Sept 3, 2015 15:22:15 GMT
The Saudis are bombing in yemen so there's a start, but as you say they are not an easy case, it's like Ireland but 1000 times bigger Well Blair sorted Ireland out, perhaps he should spend some time as a special UN advisor to the Middle east... and there was me thinking the UUP had recently pulled out of the power sharing owing to the IRA still being active I think staffsoatcake will agree there is still a fair bit going on that doesnt make the news over here, killings, small bombs etc. whenever I am over there there is always something bad on the news
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 3, 2015 15:32:43 GMT
The ethics of her comments and the general outrage it creates only serves to enhance her reputation and career, in a similar way that IS thrives on its notoriety and fear . The reason these tragedies are happening is because there is no shortage of refugees prepared to risk their own and their children's lives for a better existence and so far the EU has not addressed the problem . Their place is at home ....that place is not Bradford , Berlin or Bergerac . Solve the crisis at source and don't pass it on for others to sort out. Sadly , that means intervention ....UN intervention. Yes please ....! I don't think it's a case of a better existence mumf many of these people are fleeing for there lives . Isis death squads are murdering whole communities who happen to be the wrong kind of Muslims . Many of these people are fleeing for the lives of their children . Katie Hopkins is a vile bitch who has made a living with no discernible talent . She spouts her loathsome utterances just to stay in work . Even The Sun seems to be embarrassed by her
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:35:04 GMT
The ethics of her comments and the general outrage it creates only serves to enhance her reputation and career, in a similar way that IS thrives on its notoriety and fear . The reason these tragedies are happening is because there is no shortage of refugees prepared to risk their own and their children's lives for a better existence and so far the EU has not addressed the problem . Their place is at home ....that place is not Bradford , Berlin or Bergerac . Solve the crisis at source and don't pass it on for others to sort out. Sadly , that means intervention ....UN intervention. Yes please ....! The UN...Oh yes...That busted flush that has to do everything by committee . . UN has never worked, and never will, too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Fact is no insurgent uprising has ever been afraid of UN intervention, far from it in fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:41:25 GMT
It is very sad, but the sad truth is that Europe doesn't have room for all the migrants who would like to move here. What we need to do is make their own countries better so they don't want to move here. Saw an interesting article about other middle east countries today, suggesting that they make it virtually impossible for migrants to settle there (v tough VISA requirements, can't get jobs etc) and in so doing avoid what might be called excessive immigration. Yup....Amongst the elite richest nations on the Planet...Saudi Arabia...What do they do...FUCK ALL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:44:10 GMT
The ethics of her comments and the general outrage it creates only serves to enhance her reputation and career, in a similar way that IS thrives on its notoriety and fear . The reason these tragedies are happening is because there is no shortage of refugees prepared to risk their own and their children's lives for a better existence and so far the EU has not addressed the problem . Their place is at home ....that place is not Bradford , Berlin or Bergerac . Solve the crisis at source and don't pass it on for others to sort out. Sadly , that means intervention ....UN intervention. Yes please ....! The UN...Oh yes...That busted flush that has to do everything by committee . . UN has never worked, and never will, too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Fact is no insurgent uprising has ever been afraid of UN intervention, far from it in fact. You're quite right ......time to make it work , rather than relying on ourselves and one or two other countries. This needs a combined effort because of the scale of the problem. I know it's damp squib historically .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:54:47 GMT
Not just excape from IS, it's ongoing civil war for over 4 years which has killed anywhere between 220,000 to 330,000 depending on sources, and displaced 8 million people.
Agree on the one side, that such issues need to be resolved at the source. But, until that happens, on a human level with my fundamentals of love and compassion to every single human being suffering - there must be steps taken to help and support them. Every single one of those affected were born free and equal to me and I hate to see fellow humans in this situation.
The fact that many leave everything, risk their life on unsafe journeys for the hope of food and shelter mean that I actually have no basis on which to form any kind of judgement on why they do it - but where is humanity? This is so far beyond things like minimum wage, or this bedroom tax that people here complain about, this is about turning backs on those other human beings who are in need of genuine help.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 15:55:05 GMT
The ethics of her comments and the general outrage it creates only serves to enhance her reputation and career, in a similar way that IS thrives on its notoriety and fear . The reason these tragedies are happening is because there is no shortage of refugees prepared to risk their own and their children's lives for a better existence and so far the EU has not addressed the problem . Their place is at home ....that place is not Bradford , Berlin or Bergerac . Solve the crisis at source and don't pass it on for others to sort out. Sadly , that means intervention ....UN intervention. Yes please ....! Harry...this is what I think of the bitch . I agree with you however . I know and recognise that many are fleeing from persecution and murder , but we cannot accommodate the vast numbers that are attempting the crossing . Some responsibility does have to lie with those countries who are not at War ......and there are many simply escaping from poverty . Obviously , Syria is a different situation altogether . Not an easy problem to solve .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 16:15:34 GMT
As far as that evil twat Kate Hopkins goes, well simple, boycott everything she is involved in. Dead simple...E mail the editor at the papers she works for, the TV companies that she works for, and copy everyone in that is in your contact list. Words to the effect of..." Why during such human tragedies as the baby being washed up on the shore do you allow publicity seeking Hopkins to spout her vile thoughts...I for one, and many of my friends, will not be patronising you or any of your other outlets until she is dismissed"...Will work a treat... I'll post a few e mail addy's for you to send.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 16:22:36 GMT
As far as that evil twat Kate Hopkins goes, well simple, boycott everything she is involved in. Dead simple...E mail the editor at the papers she works for, the TV companies that she works for, and copy everyone in that is in your contact list. Words to the effect of..." Why during such human tragedies as the baby being washed up on the shore do you allow publicity seeking Hopkins to spout her vile thoughts...I for one, and many of my friends, will not be patronising you or any of your other outlets until she is dismissed"...Will work a treat... I'll post a few e mail addy's for you to send. There you go. here is an e mail addy to express your utter disgust and contempt for Hopkins. Keep it polite, and to the point. Lets get the witch sacked. letters@the-sun.co.uk
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 16:35:46 GMT
As far as that evil twat Kate Hopkins goes, well simple, boycott everything she is involved in. Dead simple...E mail the editor at the papers she works for, the TV companies that she works for, and copy everyone in that is in your contact list. Words to the effect of..." Why during such human tragedies as the baby being washed up on the shore do you allow publicity seeking Hopkins to spout her vile thoughts...I for one, and many of my friends, will not be patronising you or any of your other outlets until she is dismissed"...Will work a treat... I'll post a few e mail addy's for you to send. Because unfortunately mate , despite all the faux out rage , most people couldn't give a shit unless it effects them. Saying one thing in public and thinking something in private are two very different things. Not enough of us are in the same page for anything of any significance to happen. I do agree with you though
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 16:42:26 GMT
If i was a leader in I.S id be exploiting this mayhem as much as i possibly could by sending my men over here as supposed asylum seekers fleeing for their lives. Once here create havoc on the streets of Europe as they have threatened many times. The authorities must have no idea who half of these people are even if they are being processed which not all currently are. I believe this is already happening as they would not miss such an easy opportunity. We are leaving ourselves wide open for infiltration by I.S radicals. Recently in Germany an Afghan tore pages from the Koran and flushed them down the toilet in a warehouse used to house asylum seekers. The reaction of the supposed fellow asylum seekers was to try and kill this man. Now that sounds pretty radical to me and mirrors the actions of the very people they are trying to flee from. Deep down they share the same beliefs as the very people they are trying to escape from. spot on. That's exactly what is happening . ISIS said they will infiltrate Europe this way. The enemy isn't stupid and coming through the back door is easier than rolling across the continent in tanks .
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:01:00 GMT
If i was a leader in I.S id be exploiting this mayhem as much as i possibly could by sending my men over here as supposed asylum seekers fleeing for their lives. Once here create havoc on the streets of Europe as they have threatened many times. The authorities must have no idea who half of these people are even if they are being processed which not all currently are. I believe this is already happening as they would not miss such an easy opportunity. We are leaving ourselves wide open for infiltration by I.S radicals. Recently in Germany an Afghan tore pages from the Koran and flushed them down the toilet in a warehouse used to house asylum seekers. The reaction of the supposed fellow asylum seekers was to try and kill this man. Now that sounds pretty radical to me and mirrors the actions of the very people they are trying to flee from. Deep down they share the same beliefs as the very people they are trying to escape from. spot on. That's exactly what is happening . ISIS said they will infiltrate Europe this way. The enemy isn't stupid and coming through the back door is easier than rolling across the continent in tanks . If these evil fucks infiltrated Britain it would be a massive cluster fuck of an epic scale. As it is, it will not happen because I do believe our security is pretty good at least and many, many threats have been eradicated under the radar. Even if they got to the gates of the UK they would be easily sniffed out.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 17:04:32 GMT
spot on. That's exactly what is happening . ISIS said they will infiltrate Europe this way. The enemy isn't stupid and coming through the back door is easier than rolling across the continent in tanks . If these evil fucks infiltrated Britain it would be a massive cluster fuck of an epic scale. As it is, it will not happen because I do believe our security is pretty good at least and many, many threats have been eradicated under the radar. Even if they got to the gates of the UK they would be easily sniffed out. I believe it will happen, indeed many of them are already here , in fact many that share the same mind set were born here . There will be trouble ahead .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:06:57 GMT
spot on. That's exactly what is happening . ISIS said they will infiltrate Europe this way. The enemy isn't stupid and coming through the back door is easier than rolling across the continent in tanks . If these evil fucks infiltrated Britain it would be a massive cluster fuck of an epic scale. As it is, it will not happen because I do believe our security is pretty good at least and many, many threats have been eradicated under the radar. Even if they got to the gates of the UK they would be easily sniffed out. You are joking ? Sadly , even our immigration and customs control cannot detect what's going on between the ears . Therein lies the problem . I often use flippancy to get my point across , but one mans Kebab carver is another mans fundamentalist recruit ....ripe for grooming . I recognise that this is only a tiny minority , but that is all you need . Infiltration is easy if you are determined enough . Some Muslim women have proved how easy it is by taking their 5 kids with them into Syria .
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:09:39 GMT
If these evil fucks infiltrated Britain it would be a massive cluster fuck of an epic scale. As it is, it will not happen because I do believe our security is pretty good at least and many, many threats have been eradicated under the radar. Even if they got to the gates of the UK they would be easily sniffed out. I believe it will happen, indeed many of them are already here , in fact many that share the same mind set were born here . There will be trouble ahead . Yes there will be trouble, but the trouble will be more like a civil war. Not ISIS. We have so many targets throughout the UK that could have been hit but have not. What's stopping someone walking into the Trafford centre strapped up on a busy Saturday? Luckily our forces/intelligence have dealt with it from past IRA esc experiences
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 17:11:15 GMT
I believe it will happen, indeed many of them are already here , in fact many that share the same mind set were born here . There will be trouble ahead . Yes there will be trouble, but the trouble will be more like a civil war. I agree with that one mate .
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:11:57 GMT
If these evil fucks infiltrated Britain it would be a massive cluster fuck of an epic scale. As it is, it will not happen because I do believe our security is pretty good at least and many, many threats have been eradicated under the radar. Even if they got to the gates of the UK they would be easily sniffed out. You are joking ? Sadly , even our immigration and customs control cannot detect what's going on between the ears . Therein lies the problem . I often use flippancy to get my point across , but one mans Kebab carver is another mans fundamentalist recruit ....ripe for grooming . I recognise that this is only a tiny minority , but that is all you need . Infiltration is easy if you are determined enough . Some Muslim women have proved how easy it is by taking their 5 kids with them into Syria . It's not just the numpties at immigration that filters these. Any, even the slightest sign is flagged fairly quickly. The only way to currently infiltrate is from the sea, the SBS and the rest of the Royal Navy are dealing with this
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:22:19 GMT
If these evil fucks infiltrated Britain it would be a massive cluster fuck of an epic scale. As it is, it will not happen because I do believe our security is pretty good at least and many, many threats have been eradicated under the radar. Even if they got to the gates of the UK they would be easily sniffed out. You are joking ? Sadly , even our immigration and customs control cannot detect what's going on between the ears . Therein lies the problem . I often use flippancy to get my point across , but one mans Kebab carver is another mans fundamentalist recruit ....ripe for grooming . I recognise that this is only a tiny minority , but that is all you need . Infiltration is easy if you are determined enough . Some Muslim women have proved how easy it is by taking their 5 kids with them into Syria . I do respect what you say by the way because some of what you say is probably true, letting Britain's leave to Syria is longer a problem for the UK if they support ISIS because out there they are no threat to the UK and can be eradicated much easier
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 17:27:40 GMT
You are joking ? Sadly , even our immigration and customs control cannot detect what's going on between the ears . Therein lies the problem . I often use flippancy to get my point across , but one mans Kebab carver is another mans fundamentalist recruit ....ripe for grooming . I recognise that this is only a tiny minority , but that is all you need . Infiltration is easy if you are determined enough . Some Muslim women have proved how easy it is by taking their 5 kids with them into Syria . I do respect what you say by the way because some of what you say is probably true, letting Britain's leave to Syria is longer a problem for the UK if they support ISIS because out there they are no threat to the UK and can be eradicated much easier They're amongst us mate
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:32:08 GMT
There are literally hundreds of anti terrorist inquiries on going at any one time here in the UK . This is a fact . Not all lead to successful prosecutions but it is an unenviable task undertaken by experienced officers in different agencies . The threat is already within our midst I'm afraid . The threat from IS is real and not going to go away anytime soon .
I fear for the future and what's more I've been saying this for over a decade now . The howls of derision and racist accusations are but a fading memory .
Time to sip the coffee .
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Post by starkiller on Sept 3, 2015 17:33:08 GMT
Why shouldn't these people move away from countries fucked by decades of western dabbling and destruction, including ISIL, IS, ISIS, or whatever the fuck it's called, which is yet another western black ops group?
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:37:45 GMT
I do respect what you say by the way because some of what you say is probably true, letting Britain's leave to Syria is longer a problem for the UK if they support ISIS because out there they are no threat to the UK and can be eradicated much easier They're amongst us mate I didn't say that there are those that are being recruited by radicals that have been based in the UK for years, I'm saying that our very good security service are plucking these out as we speak and our intelligence service are planting our very own amongst them to sniff them out. Offering others a good life etc also catches these extremists that arrived not lately but within the last 15 years. Initially the ones that enter are relieved to teach the UK after a certain time they realise they won't be accepted as much as they thought are then recruited. These recruiters have been here all along, they are the ones being watched
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 17:40:54 GMT
I didn't say that there are those that are being recruited by radicals that have been based in the UK for years, I'm saying that our very good security service are plucking these out as we speak and our intelligence service are planting our very own amongst them to sniff them out. Offering others a good life etc also catches these extremists that arrived not lately but within the last 15 years. Initially the ones that enter are relieved to teach the UK after a certain time they realise they won't be accepted as much as they thought are then recruited. These recruiters have been here all along, they are the ones being watched Like I said , there will be trouble ahead
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:41:16 GMT
Amazing coincidence that the news camera man was there as his body washed up.......or did they leave him there until the cameras turned up?
Still, very sad indeed for the family
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:42:58 GMT
Why shouldn't these people move away from countries fucked by decades of western dabbling and destruction, including ISIL, IS, ISIS, or whatever the fuck it's called, which is yet another western black ops group? Quite true mate, that's what I would do with my family. In fact when I was 6 I witnessed an evacuation of a shop in Belfast for it to blow up in front of me when I was standing outside with my Mother and Brother, we left Belfast for Stoke. It's quite ironic that me and my Brother later joined the Royal Engineers and SBS respectably and both returned to Ireland in the 90's
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 17:45:16 GMT
The ethics of her comments and the general outrage it creates only serves to enhance her reputation and career, in a similar way that IS thrives on its notoriety and fear . The reason these tragedies are happening is because there is no shortage of refugees prepared to risk their own and their children's lives for a better existence and so far the EU has not addressed the problem . Their place is at home ....that place is not Bradford , Berlin or Bergerac . Solve the crisis at source and don't pass it on for others to sort out. Sadly , that means intervention ....UN intervention. Yes please ....! I don't think it's a case of a better existence mumf many of these people are fleeing for there lives . Isis death squads are murdering whole communities who happen to be the wrong kind of Muslims . Many of these people are fleeing for the lives of their children . Katie Hopkins is a vile bitch who has made a living with no discernible talent . She spouts her loathsome utterances just to stay in work . Even The Sun seems to be embarrassed by her If they are fleeing for their lives why are they insisting on Germany, UK etc? Beggers a cant be choosers
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 17:49:36 GMT
I didn't say that there are those that are being recruited by radicals that have been based in the UK for years, I'm saying that our very good security service are plucking these out as we speak and our intelligence service are planting our very own amongst them to sniff them out. Offering others a good life etc also catches these extremists that arrived not lately but within the last 15 years. Initially the ones that enter are relieved to teach the UK after a certain time they realise they won't be accepted as much as they thought are then recruited. These recruiters have been here all along, they are the ones being watched Like I said , there will be trouble ahead Yes agree, but it will be more like a civil war and very violent. Britons are very mild mannered but the Government are going to worry how this can carry on, they are well aware how easy protests can turn to riots can turn to civil unrest and civil war.
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Post by stokeharry on Sept 3, 2015 18:19:14 GMT
Like I said , there will be trouble ahead Yes agree, but it will be more like a civil war and very violent. Britons are very mild mannered but the Government are going to worry how this can carry on, they are well aware how easy protests can turn to riots can turn to civil unrest and civil war. You can't say Britons are mild mannered , we are all different but i understand what you're saying. Some would say the civil war as already begun. Isis sympathisers are already amongst us
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 18:22:46 GMT
Yes agree, but it will be more like a civil war and very violent. Britons are very mild mannered but the Government are going to worry how this can carry on, they are well aware how easy protests can turn to riots can turn to civil unrest and civil war. You can't say Britons are mild mannered , we are all different . Some would say the civil war as already begun. Isis sympathisers are already amongst us As in we tolerate more than the immigrants do, you must have noticed this? The typical British way which tends to slowly build up to full on aggression
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Post by petemac on Sept 3, 2015 18:25:17 GMT
Yes agree, but it will be more like a civil war and very violent. Britons are very mild mannered but the Government are going to worry how this can carry on, they are well aware how easy protests can turn to riots can turn to civil unrest and civil war. You can't say Britons are mild mannered , we are all different but i understand what you're saying. Some would say the civil war as already begun. Isis sympathisers are already amongst us Again, any extreme people are well under our umbrella, they won't be walking freely
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