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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 13:23:31 GMT
'it's embarrassing' - dunner be so soft And no, we're not bottom of the net spend league. When Southampton sign van dyke yes we will be. The freebie policy hasn't worked, we have a full squad made up with poor freebie signings who we can't get rid of . *van Dijk. And not unles they spend £16m on him will they go above us in this mystical league that you place so much emphasis on. And Spurs are also in 'net negative'. And Swansea have spent all of £9m of their £30m they got for Bony. Claiming lower net spend in transfer fees is somehow 'embarrassing' is in itself, embarrassing. Edit: Spurs not in negative spend now.
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Post by themistocles on Aug 30, 2015 13:33:50 GMT
When Southampton sign van dyke yes we will be. The freebie policy hasn't worked, we have a full squad made up with poor freebie signings who we can't get rid of . *van Dijk. And not unles they spend £16m on him will they go above us in this mystical league that you place so much emphasis on. And Spurs are also in 'net negative'. And Swansea have spent all of £9m of their £30m they got for Bony. Claiming lower net spend in transfer fees is somehow 'embarrassing' is in itself, embarrassing. talksport.com/football/updated-every-premier-league-team-ranked-terms-net-spend-transfer-window-150828164526?p=1Spurs who have just signed a player for 22 mill ? The freebie policy hasn't worked... We Havnt correctly replaced 3 prominent players from last season, nzonzi, shawcross and Moses . The only way you can't effectively replace that quality of player is by significantly investing
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2015 13:34:54 GMT
I like what we've done so far and they'll be great once bedded in, but I still think we should go out and spend some good money to make us a really good side instead of always trying be 'cute' in the transfer market as Pete says.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 30, 2015 13:34:51 GMT
Yarmolenko close to signing for Borussia Dortmund apparently.
I know it's not us but who is Wanayaja wanting to join? Left out of Southampton squad again today for trying to push a move. Him and Whelan would be a great base to protect the defend and let our attacking players do their business.
I can't see us making any signings and we might see just one player leaving.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 30, 2015 13:37:53 GMT
Yarmolenko close to signing for Borussia Dortmund apparently. I know it's not us but who is Wanayaja wanting to join? Left out of Southampton squad again today for trying to push a move. Him and Whelan would be a great base to protect the defend and let our attacking players do their business. I can't see us making any signings and we might see just one player leaving. Spurs I think.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 30, 2015 13:39:46 GMT
Who is this mythical CB better than all the ones we have who will come on loan until January? I keep hearing people say it but no evidence such a player exists. Vidic on loan from inter He's not wanted there and we've already made business with them
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 30, 2015 13:45:11 GMT
Who is this mythical CB better than all the ones we have who will come on loan until January? I keep hearing people say it but no evidence such a player exists. Why does it have to be until January or even on loan for that matter?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 14:00:58 GMT
*van Dijk. And not unles they spend £16m on him will they go above us in this mystical league that you place so much emphasis on. And Spurs are also in 'net negative'. And Swansea have spent all of £9m of their £30m they got for Bony. Claiming lower net spend in transfer fees is somehow 'embarrassing' is in itself, embarrassing. talksport.com/football/updated-every-premier-league-team-ranked-terms-net-spend-transfer-window-150828164526?p=1Spurs who have just signed a player for 22 mill ? The freebie policy hasn't worked... We Havnt correctly replaced 3 prominent players from last season, nzonzi, shawcross and Moses . The only way you can't effectively replace that quality of player is by significantly investing Am I dreaming we spent £21m this summer including our record fee for an international player? I know there are fans that don't agree and for some reason think net spend is king, but I just fail to see how focusing so much on transfer fees really indicates whether we've done good business and have a decent squad of players or not. I look at the squad Mark Hughes has built and, whilst recognising some imbalances, think that we have possibly the most talented 25 I've seen for Stoke in all the time I've been supporting them. I think I need to take a break from the Oatie because I'm increasingly bemused how people continue to moan about the club, its management and the players after what has been a great two seasons and Mark Hughes has been bringing in his own players and spending money. Lots of fellow Stokies showing absolutely no patience or perspective, calling things like not spending shitloads of cash 'embarrassing' and not giving players a chance to settle just 4 games (4 games!) into a new season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2015 14:02:22 GMT
The fact we're not seemingly pushing it probably means it's not a runner. But I'd be disappointed if we aren't straining every sinew to get Moses in.
And I'd sleep a lot easier knowing there was another centre-half in. Admittedly names are a bit difficult to come up with though.
Presumably Wilson is pencilled in as the Pieters deputy at left-back (despite him only being contracted 'til next May). So hard to know what we're planning long-term there.
And I'd be very concerned about what we'd do if anything happened to Whelan. There's no one at all on the books who can come close to doing his job.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 30, 2015 14:21:31 GMT
Wingers wise we have Arnie and Affelay one the left and Shaqiri, Walters and and Odemwingie on the right. I can't see how we can justify another one. You can argue that Affelay is better suited to the middle but with Bojan, Ireland and Adam already vying for a position there, there is no room. Centre defence we have already signed Wollschied this summer and he didn't even make the bench yesterday. We can't justify another there.
But in centre mid we could possibly make the case for a new signing. I'm sure there would be some championship suitors for Sidwell. And we have sold our player of the the season from there whilst only bringing in a young loanee. Sell(give away) Sidwell and bring in a physical midfield partner for Glenn is the only serious business I could see us doing.
In an ideal world you could argue for a left winger or centre half but realustically, a centre mid is the only position I think Hughes can go for. I can't see it happening though.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2015 14:29:10 GMT
Did Nige ask hughesy if he thought anything else would happen?
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 30, 2015 14:34:24 GMT
Nothing is gonna happen I'm quite sure
My biggest disappointment is not going for a good CB who would have strengthened the team and instead spunking 3.5 million on a donkey
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 30, 2015 14:45:21 GMT
Nothing is gonna happen I'm quite sure My biggest disappointment is not going for a good CB who would have strengthened the team and instead spunking 3.5 million on a donkey Whether he is a donkey or not, the fact that Hughes deems him not even worthy of a bench spot when Shawcross, who plays the same exact position as him, is out for another two months, tells you all you need to know about how much the manager values him. Wollscheid is money wasted. We are still not rich enough to spend 3.5m and a decent wage on a bloke who cannot get into the match day 18. We had Palacios for 4 years doing that, and we have seemingly found his replacement as the official "luxury player".
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Post by Jimm on Aug 30, 2015 14:51:17 GMT
Failure to replace Nzonzi will cost us dearly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 14:55:12 GMT
If JW goes as is looking increasingly likely, we should try and get Moses. My faith in Arnie producing the goods consistently is rapidly on the wane. Yesterday we were crying out for pace down the left.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 30, 2015 14:58:12 GMT
If JW goes as is looking increasingly likely, we should try and get Moses. My faith in Arnie producing the goods consistently is rapidly on the wane. Yesterday we were crying out for pace down the left. Arnie was magnificent when he came on!
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Post by sportsman on Aug 30, 2015 15:08:19 GMT
Failure to replace Nzonzi will cost us dearly. Don't be silly.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 30, 2015 15:16:14 GMT
If JW goes as is looking increasingly likely, we should try and get Moses. My faith in Arnie producing the goods consistently is rapidly on the wane. Yesterday we were crying out for pace down the left. Arnie was magnificent when he came on! He was but he's inconsistent that's the problem i would definitely keep walters he's part of the backbone of the team if he goes then in my books this window would be written off as a negative one
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 30, 2015 15:18:58 GMT
Failure to replace Nzonzi will cost us dearly. Don't be silly. Nothing silly in that comment we're threading on risky ground
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 15:23:08 GMT
Nothing is gonna happen I'm quite sure My biggest disappointment is not going for a good CB who would have strengthened the team and instead spunking 3.5 million on a donkey If Wollscheid turns out to be a bad signing then it happens. Hughes has enough credit in the bank on that score. As for Wollscheid himself, he will 100% be a failure if he is not given a fair chance. Turning your back on him after 13 appearances in a new league with a different pace of football is plain daft. Some players have taken ages to settle in years gone by - players who were much more expensive and players who have gone to bigger clubs. Mertesacker for one. If we have no intention of using him then we should cut our losses in the next couple of days and get rid, and bring in a player we are going to use. Yes we'll lose money but we're going to lose money anyroad. We might aswell lose it now and bring in someone the manager wants to use to boost the squad.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 30, 2015 15:27:20 GMT
We are 3 players short even with the 9 signings we've made this window, most have been poor due tothe lack of investment and insistence on "freebies " . Hasn't worked ! Again we are bottom of the net spend league with the majority of the championship clubs spending more it's embarrassing. Embarrassed?? Do yourself a favour and go fuck off and support Chelsea, Man U or Man city then!! Would you be as proud as punch though if we did a Leeds? Of course you would, Just as long as we're spending the dosh hey?
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Post by Jimm on Aug 30, 2015 15:28:28 GMT
Failure to replace Nzonzi will cost us dearly. Don't be silly. I'm not. We need someone who can bridge defence to attack, control the tempo of the game and have a presence in the middle. Van Ginkel isn't that player, for me
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 30, 2015 15:30:06 GMT
Only outgoings i suspect Walters for 3m would get us close to a zero transfer spend and make the suits at Bet 365 very happy as we pay down rhe debt.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2015 15:32:24 GMT
Nothing is gonna happen I'm quite sure My biggest disappointment is not going for a good CB who would have strengthened the team and instead spunking 3.5 million on a donkey If Wollscheid turns out to be a bad signing then it happens. Hughes has enough credit in the bank on that score. As for Wollscheid himself, he will 100% be a failure if he is not given a fair chance. Turning your back on him after 13 appearances in a new league with a different pace of football is plain daft. Some players have taken ages to settle in years gone by - players who were much more expensive and players who have gone to bigger clubs. Mertesacker for one. If we have no intention of using him then we should cut our losses in the next couple of days and get rid, and bring in a player we are going to use.
Yes we'll lose money but we're going to lose money anyroad. We might aswell lose it now and bring in someone the manager wants to use to boost the squad.I feel sorry for him in a way. But he's not magically going to acclimatise without playing games - and the manager clearly doesn't really trust him to play them. He's a fairly clear 5th now. If we could get another defender in, maybe a Bundesliga loan would make sense all 'round.
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Post by Plave on Aug 30, 2015 15:41:42 GMT
Who is this mythical CB better than all the ones we have who will come on loan until January? I keep hearing people say it but no evidence such a player exists. Why does it have to be until January or even on loan for that matter? I've no idea, I don't think we need a CB at all but I keep seeing here and on twitter Stokies saying we have to sign a CB on loan until January.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Aug 30, 2015 15:42:51 GMT
Who is this mythical CB better than all the ones we have who will come on loan until January? I keep hearing people say it but no evidence such a player exists. Vidic on loan from inter He's not wanted there and we've already made business with them That would be good business.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 30, 2015 15:46:00 GMT
Why does it have to be until January or even on loan for that matter? I've no idea, I don't think we need a CB at all but I keep seeing here and on twitter Stokies saying we have to sign a CB on loan until January. I think we do need one. A leader at the back. I don't think it necessarily has to be just til Jan though.
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Post by themistocles on Aug 30, 2015 15:48:43 GMT
We are 3 players short even with the 9 signings we've made this window, most have been poor due tothe lack of investment and insistence on "freebies " . Hasn't worked ! Again we are bottom of the net spend league with the majority of the championship clubs spending more it's embarrassing. Embarrassed?? Do yourself a favour and go fuck off and support Chelsea, Man U or Man city then!! Would you be as proud as punch though if we did a Leeds? Of course you would, Just as long as we're spending the dosh hey? Do we have a better squad than last year? Do you think we have sufficient cover for the wings? Do you think the freebie transfer policy has been successful ( sidwell, Johnston, Ireland, bardsley)? Do you think this transfer season has been successful ? We were more in the need to invest than our rivals considering the players we have lost from last year Go on pwingy supply an opinion
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 30, 2015 15:51:53 GMT
The answer lies in looking at a team like Swansea
They lost bony but got Gomis whilst retaining the whole spine of the team
2 good centre halfs in Williams and Fernandez
Shelvey and sigurdsson
Then they improved with the likes of Andre ayew
That's taking it to the next level
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Post by Plave on Aug 30, 2015 16:07:21 GMT
Do you think the freebie transfer policy has been successful ( sidwell, Johnston, Ireland, bardsley)? I like how you choose not to list Diouf, Muniesa and Odemwingie from your free transfer list but that doesn't suit your agenda does it?
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