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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:09:11 GMT
No he wasn't, you're making stuff up in your creepy wooden head mate. lol He flaired that ball to the back post in between and across Geoff and Butland from 3-4 yards left of the goal post not goal side... did you even watch the match? Yes he was and yes I did. lol. Here you can see the lovely ball to where only rondon could glance it to which he Rondon is NOT goal side but 3-4 yards left of it hitting it back post and you can also see Jack flat footed after his double jab. What else are you making up next? Amazing unopposed cross from Lambert.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:10:41 GMT
Yes I did and a physio and my cousin who works for the club in marketing. Course you did. I did, I also talked to them about when I come over in a few months time for a series of matches. I'll be spending time with a few of them and get in some u21 matches aswell.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 31, 2015 17:11:14 GMT
Bayern always blames the player in the last phase and ignores everything before. Look at the goal and see how slow Shaqiri is to close Lambert down, he had all the time in the world to pick his cross. I'm not for one moment blaming Shaqiri, we were down to 9 men and those 8 outfield players were working their bollocks off. Blame Adam and Afellay for the goal because if they hadn't been sent off Lambert wouldn't have been on the pitch to make the cross and WBA wouldn't have crossed the half way line to create the chance
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 31, 2015 17:14:45 GMT
With 9 against 11 end of! That has no bearing though! It was a back 4, he was marking his man, his man got the jump on him and scored, it was Geoff's error. Of course it has a bearing they had 2 more players,we been playing with 9 for 20 minutes, there wasn't really any shape to speak of as it was backs against the wall stuff. I just wonder why you aren't a top coach/manager mate because you seem to see a lot of things and seem to have an answer of how to combat this than most top flight managers/coaches!
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:15:42 GMT
Bayern always blames the player in the last phase and ignores everything before. Look at the goal and see how slow Shaqiri is to close Lambert down, he had all the time in the world to pick his cross. I'm not for one moment blaming Shaqiri, we were down to 9 men and those 8 outfield players were working their bollocks off. Blame Adam and Afellay for the goal because if they hadn't been sent off Lambert wouldn't have been on the pitch to make the cross and WBA wouldn't have crossed the half way line to create the chance Two stoke players were going for Lambert but he had enough time with all the space 9 men allow and he delivered an amazing ball well placed only his man could get on the end of.
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Post by fentoninbloom on Aug 31, 2015 17:15:41 GMT
Yes he was and yes I did. lol. Here you can see the lovely ball to where only rondon could glance it to which he Rondon is NOT goal side but 3-4 yards left of it hitting it back post and you can also see Jack flat footed after his double jab. What else are you making up next? Amazing unopposed cross from Lambert. You send a picture of Rondon half a yard beyond the back line to prove that he's NOT goal side?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:16:27 GMT
Bayern always blames the player in the last phase and ignores everything before. Look at the goal and see how slow Shaqiri is to close Lambert down, he had all the time in the world to pick his cross. I'm not for one moment blaming Shaqiri, we were down to 9 men and those 8 outfield players were working their bollocks off. Blame Adam and Afellay for the goal because if they hadn't been sent off Lambert wouldn't have been on the pitch to make the cross and WBA wouldn't have crossed the half way line to create the chance We don't stop crosses, we haven't done for 8 years, I've been whinging about it for 8 years! Cameron nodded off, Rondon got the jump and as such got too much time (Cameron should be right by him challenging to get a flick on the ball to put it out for a corner). Cameron has to deal with it, Shawcross would do, their centre halves would do, it's just bad defending irrespective of who it is. And like I've said, I blame the manager for the defeat!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:17:22 GMT
That has no bearing though! It was a back 4, he was marking his man, his man got the jump on him and scored, it was Geoff's error. Of course it has a bearing they had 2 more players,we been playing with 9 for 20 minutes, there wasn't really any shape to speak of as it was backs against the wall stuff. I just wonder why you aren't a top coach/manager mate because you seem to see a lot of things and seem to have an answer of how to combat this than most top flight managers/coaches! There was a shape, it was 4-4-0 and we kept to it really well.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:19:04 GMT
Here you can see the lovely ball to where only rondon could glance it to which he Rondon is NOT goal side but 3-4 yards left of it hitting it back post and you can also see Jack flat footed after his double jab. What else are you making up next? Amazing unopposed cross from Lambert. You send a picture of Rondon half a yard beyond the back line to prove that he's NOT goal side? There's two, and even with the one he is not goal side and never was the picture doesn't lie and the second proves it aswell. It also shows the height of the ball coming down the first one and the second shows rondon flaring it back post with the pace and curl Lambert put on it. Nobody is that tall or quick to stop an indefensible right to left ball coming in. Not even mighty Ryan, it stopped Jack flat in his stride aswell.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:20:48 GMT
Alls it shows it shit defending! Geoff has to be closer, simple as.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 31, 2015 17:22:25 GMT
I really cannot believe people are defending Cameron on the goal from Saturday,he switched off AGAIN for the SECOND week running which he tends to do.It was a shame because he had a good game and he has done all season but just like Marc Wilson playing well for 89 minutes is not good enough if you switch off for 1 minute and it costs us a goal.
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Post by fentoninbloom on Aug 31, 2015 17:23:16 GMT
You send a picture of Rondon half a yard beyond the back line to prove that he's NOT goal side? There's two, and even with the one he is not goal side and never was the picture doesn't lie and the second proves it aswell. It also shows the height of the ball coming down the first one and the second shows rondon flaring it back post with the pace and curl Lambert put on it. No body is that tall or quick to stop an indefensible right to left ball coming in. Not even mighty Ryan it stopped Jack flat in his stride aswell. As you say, the picture doesn't lie - in the first picture, you can quite clearly see that Rondon's foot is closer to the 6-yard line than Geoff's. He is BEHIND the back line, has a clear sight of goal and is therefore goal side. It's not that hard.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:23:57 GMT
Alls it shows it shit defending! Geoff has to be closer, simple as. It doesn't show his starting position to which he was more central on the 18 yard box covering for Muniesa who pinched up, it's amazing he was even close running diagonally from the penalty spot to the left post to meet Rondon who was ghosting between him and Johnson as Lambert saw and made that amazing cross. Yet again you only see the final act.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:25:24 GMT
There's two, and even with the one he is not goal side and never was the picture doesn't lie and the second proves it aswell. It also shows the height of the ball coming down the first one and the second shows rondon flaring it back post with the pace and curl Lambert put on it. No body is that tall or quick to stop an indefensible right to left ball coming in. Not even mighty Ryan it stopped Jack flat in his stride aswell. As you say, the picture doesn't lie - in the first picture, you can quite clearly see that Rondon's foot is closer to the 6-yard line than Geoff's. He is BEHIND the back line, has a clear sight of goal and is therefore goal side. It's not that hard. What lol he's clearly 3-4 yards left of the goal post... and 1 yard near the edge of the 6 yard box lol your blind as a bat lol he's not goal side but a stride closer to the touch line LOL
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:26:36 GMT
I really cannot believe people are defending Cameron on the goal from Saturday,he switched off AGAIN for the SECOND week running which he tends to do.It was a shame because he had a good game and he has done all season but just like Marc Wilson playing well for 89 minutes is not good enough if you switch off for 1 minute and it costs us a goal. He didn't switch off he was running to cover Rondon from the front of the 18 yard box he had the whole box to cover himself as pieters and muniesa pinched up lol
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:29:04 GMT
Alls it shows it shit defending! Geoff has to be closer, simple as. It doesn't show his starting position to which he was more central on the 18 yard box covering for Muniesa who pinched up, it's amazing he was even close running diagonally from the penalty spot to the left post to meet Rondon who was ghosting between him and Johnson as Lambert saw and made that amazing cross. Yet again you only see the final act. What? Pieters and Muni were pretty much in line and where they should be from what I can remember with Glen and Cameron dropping a yard deeper to play Rondon onside. Which I don't mind because playing offside there is massively risky. But once you do that you've got to deal with any ball into the box. Muni is where he should be....
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 31, 2015 17:29:52 GMT
I really cannot believe people are defending Cameron on the goal from Saturday,he switched off AGAIN for the SECOND week running which he tends to do.It was a shame because he had a good game and he has done all season but just like Marc Wilson playing well for 89 minutes is not good enough if you switch off for 1 minute and it costs us a goal. He didn't switch off he was running to cover Rondon from the front of the 18 yard box he had the whole box to cover himself as pieters and muniesa pinched up lol Sorry mate your wrong,he was too deep because he'd switched off again but I admire your stance defending your fellow countryman
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 31, 2015 17:31:36 GMT
Of course it has a bearing they had 2 more players,we been playing with 9 for 20 minutes, there wasn't really any shape to speak of as it was backs against the wall stuff. I just wonder why you aren't a top coach/manager mate because you seem to see a lot of things and seem to have an answer of how to combat this than most top flight managers/coaches! There was a shape, it was 4-4-0 and we kept to it really well. The second half yes we were trying to get to half time and they kept loading the box, Johnson should of stopped Lambert from crossing in the first place but was slow to react so he's just as much to blame.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:32:10 GMT
It doesn't show his starting position to which he was more central on the 18 yard box covering for Muniesa who pinched up, it's amazing he was even close running diagonally from the penalty spot to the left post to meet Rondon who was ghosting between him and Johnson as Lambert saw and made that amazing cross. Yet again you only see the final act. What? Pieters and Muni were pretty much in line and where they should be from what I can remember with Glen and Cameron dropping a yard deeper to play Rondon onside. Which I don't mind because playing offside there is massively risky. But once you do that you've got to deal with any ball into the box. Muni is where he should be.... Watch the unopposed ball from Lambert curl with pace over everyone from right to left and land on the left post to where not only Butland can't get to it, nor Geoff. But only Rondon who was already in full stride as Geoff picked him up and stayed goal side.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:33:20 GMT
He didn't switch off he was running to cover Rondon from the front of the 18 yard box he had the whole box to cover himself as pieters and muniesa pinched up lol Sorry mate your wrong,he was too deep because he'd switched off again but I admire your stance defending your fellow countryman I'm not wrong. It wasn't geoff's fault but Lambert's unopposed curler after we had gone down to 9 men. Geoff isn't English so he isn't my fellow countryman.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 31, 2015 17:35:24 GMT
Sorry mate your wrong,he was too deep because he'd switched off again but I admire your stance defending your fellow countryman I'm not wrong. It wasn't geoff's fault but Lambert's unopposed curler after we had gone down to 9 men. Geoff isn't English so he isn't my fellow countryman. We'll agree to differ then but your still wrong.Ok didn't realise that sorry.
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Post by fentoninbloom on Aug 31, 2015 17:38:36 GMT
As you say, the picture doesn't lie - in the first picture, you can quite clearly see that Rondon's foot is closer to the 6-yard line than Geoff's. He is BEHIND the back line, has a clear sight of goal and is therefore goal side. It's not that hard. What lol he's clearly 3-4 yards left of the goal post... and 1 yard near the edge of the 6 yard box lol your blind as a bat lol he's not goal side but a stride closer to the touch line LOL The dictionary definition of goal-side, from a defender's point of view, is "A position between the ball and the goal one is defending". Perhaps you could enlighten us all as to how, in either of the two pictures you posted, Geoff is goal-side of Rondon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:38:42 GMT
There was a shape, it was 4-4-0 and we kept to it really well. The second half yes we were trying to get to half time and they kept loading the box, Johnson should of stopped Lambert from crossing in the first place but was slow to react so he's just as much to blame. It was 4-4-0 from when Adam got sent off! Johnson? I think it was Shaqiri but we don't stop crosses. We never have done, pisses me right off!
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:39:10 GMT
I'm not wrong. It wasn't geoff's fault but Lambert's unopposed curler after we had gone down to 9 men. Geoff isn't English so he isn't my fellow countryman. We'll agree to differ then but your still wrong.Ok didn't realise that sorry. Well agree to differ but you're still wrong and are not giving credit to an amazing unopposed curling cross to which 2 stoke player's couldn't defend with only 9 men and only blaming the nearest easy target the American to which you always do, the lad gets the double barrels for others not doing their job. 1. not closing down the great cross from midfield and 2. losing their heads and us going to 9 men to cover 11 in your half.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:39:43 GMT
What? Pieters and Muni were pretty much in line and where they should be from what I can remember with Glen and Cameron dropping a yard deeper to play Rondon onside. Which I don't mind because playing offside there is massively risky. But once you do that you've got to deal with any ball into the box. Muni is where he should be.... Watch the unopposed ball from Lambert curl with pace over everyone from right to left and land on the left post to where not only Butland can't get to it, nor Geoff. But only Rondon who was already in full stride as Geoff picked him up and stayed goal side. And is Geoff's man and he has no idea where he is, who then scores. We're finally getting somewhere.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:40:53 GMT
What lol he's clearly 3-4 yards left of the goal post... and 1 yard near the edge of the 6 yard box lol your blind as a bat lol he's not goal side but a stride closer to the touch line LOL The dictionary definition of goal-side, from a defender's point of view, is "A position between the ball and the goal one is defending". Perhaps you could enlighten us all as to how, in either of the two pictures you posted, Geoff is goal-side of Rondon. It's quite clear who is goal side in those photos... and who glance a header across the face of the goal to which you'd call... goalside. if you cannot fathom depth of field I feel wholeheartedly sorry for you.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 31, 2015 17:41:20 GMT
Cameron has been great so far this season and he's still got that fantastic ability to nick the ball from under a players foot and drive out with it. He's doing a more than adequate job and wouldn't advocate anyone in our squad above him in that role at the moment, until Ryan is fit. He does have a tendency to have momentary, and unfortunately at the moment costly lapses. Matthew Etherington in one of his Radio Stoke co-commentaries discussed it. I was a bit shocked how matter of fact about it Matty was, acknowledging that Geoff switches off in games. I was hoping that the added responsibility of CB may hone his concentration. I'm now hoping he just starts getting a bit luckier.
Edit: I thought at the game that the half time whistle had blown because Jack just seemed to flap at it. Just seen the clip again and he is caught out and bamboozled. Geoff looks to be watching the delivery and not concentrating on Rondon's run.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Aug 31, 2015 17:42:17 GMT
We'll agree to differ then but your still wrong.Ok didn't realise that sorry. Well agree to differ but you're still wrong and are not giving credit to an amazing unopposed curling cross to which 2 stoke player's couldn't defend with only 9 men and only blaming the nearest easy target the American to which you always do, the lad gets the double barrels for others not doing their job. 1. not closing down the great cross from midfield and 2. losing their heads and us going to 9 men to cover 11 in your half. Mate I suggest you take your head out of Geoff's arse and watch it again.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 31, 2015 17:42:44 GMT
Watch the unopposed ball from Lambert curl with pace over everyone from right to left and land on the left post to where not only Butland can't get to it, nor Geoff. But only Rondon who was already in full stride as Geoff picked him up and stayed goal side. And is Geoff's man and he has no idea where he is, who then scores. We're finally getting somewhere. Were getting somewhere because 72 hours after the match you've just acknowledged the unopposed Lambert worldly curling left to right with height and pace cross defenders in the PL call... "undefendable."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 17:43:48 GMT
Cameron has been great so far this season and he's still got that fantastic ability to nick the ball from under a players foot and drive out with it. He's doing a more than adequate job and wouldn't advocate anyone in our squad above him in that role at the moment, until Ryan is fit. He does have a tendency to have momentary, and unfortunately at the moment costly lapses. Matthew Etherington in one of his Radio Stoke co-commentaries discussed it. I was a bit shocked how matter of fact about it Matty was, acknowledging that Geoff switches off in games. I was hoping that the added responsibility of CB may hone his concentration. I'm now hoping he just starts getting a bit luckier. This is a great surprise.
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