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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:09:26 GMT
Christ, were you happy bayern that we signed Given ? Completely different situation. I think the 2 year contract was a bit excessive though, should have been a year. both offer experience.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2015 22:09:29 GMT
Watch us accept a 1.7m bid on Monday. Sorry I meant Walters not good enough. The bid was perfectly acceptable in my eyes Yeah, he's no Tuncay that's for sure.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:09:55 GMT
Have you ever watched Walters play ? If you think he's any of those three you clearly haven't. He can do many things (scores a few goals, winds the fuck up out of the opposition-his best trait, occasionally bullies defenders, half decent finisher). But pace, the ability to beat a man and crossing aren't in his repertoire. Bayern, I'm telling you he's pretty fast.
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 21, 2015 22:10:19 GMT
Definitely for the best. Because you will never, ever convince that wingers need to be good lads that work 'ard. I prefer crossing, the ability to run quick and beat a man, shit like that! Wingers don't need to work hard? Come off it. It's vital they work hard.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:10:49 GMT
If you think he's any of those three you clearly haven't. He can do many things (scores a few goals, winds the fuck up out of the opposition-his best trait, occasionally bullies defenders, half decent finisher). But pace, the ability to beat a man and crossing aren't in his repertoire. Bayern, I'm telling you he's pretty fast.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2015 22:10:36 GMT
Have you ever watched Walters play ? I have, lots of times. I'm with Bayern on his one. His character around the dressing room and his never say die attitude are commendable qualities but let's not start making shit up just because it suits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 22:10:51 GMT
Whatever your thoughts on Jon, he's obviously appreciated by the manager.
We all thought he was just a Pulis plodder but he's remained almost as important and regular to the team under a new manager with a completely different outlook.
Like everybody else, I'm looking forwrd to us lining up with Shaqiri, Arnie and Bojan as an attacking 3 behind Joselu or Diouf but there is perhaps a bit of the "Championship Manager" thinking behind that. We all want to see the best attacking players on the pitch at the same time, and I'm sure we will, but that doesn't mean Jon is completely surplus to requirements.
He's a good player, very good on his day in fact, and he works incredibly hard for the team. When we conceded against Spurs with Johnson going AWOL, it was Walters busting a gut to get back to thwart the attack. It didn't work on that occasion but his work ethic was clear to see.
He's not the most naturally talented player in the world but he's not half as bad as some make out.
The squad would be worse off without him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:11:39 GMT
Definitely for the best. Because you will never, ever convince that wingers need to be good lads that work 'ard. I prefer crossing, the ability to run quick and beat a man, shit like that! Wingers don't need to work hard? Come off it. It's vital they work hard. Vital? Moses didn't work hard, he was a lazy fuck. He's the best winger we've had at the club in the past 3/4 years! And I would love him back, brilliant player.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:13:48 GMT
Have you ever watched Walters play ? I have, lots of times. I'm with Bayern on his one. His character around the dressing room and his never say die attitude are commendable qualities but let's not start making shit up just because it suits. Remember when we played West Ham last season. Walters outsprinted that Jenkinson and that Jenkinson had an headstart.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:14:20 GMT
Wingers don't need to work hard? Come off it. It's vital they work hard. Vital? Moses didn't work hard, he was a lazy fuck. He's the best winger we've had at the club in the past 3/4 years! And I would love him back, brilliant player. I need a beer, fucking Nora.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:14:24 GMT
Whatever your thoughts on Jon, he's obviously appreciated by the manager. We all thought he was just a Pulis plodder but he's remained almost as important and regular to the team under a new manager with a completely different outlook. Like everybody else, I'm looking forwrd to us lining up with Shaqiri, Arnie and Bojan as an attacking 3 behind Joselu or Diouf but there is perhaps a bit of the "Championship Manager" thinking behind that. We all want to see the best attacking players on the pitch at the same time, and I'm sure we will, but that doesn't mean Jon is completely surplus to requirements. He's a good player, very good on his day in fact, and he works incredibly hard for the team. When we conceded against Spurs with Johnson going AWOL, it was Walters busting a gut to get behind to thwart ghe attack. It didn't work on that occasion but his work ethic was clear to see. He's not the most naturally talented player in the world but he's not half as bad as some make out. The squad would be worse off without him. The thing with them three and I'm basing it on assumptions watching Shaqiri previously is that all of them are massively hard workers but combine it with better attacking play. And imo he's not the hardest worker in the team any more. Step forward Mr Diouf.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2015 22:14:42 GMT
Have you ever watched Walters play ? If you think he's any of those three you clearly haven't. He can do many things (scores a few goals, winds the fuck up out of the opposition-his best trait, occasionally bullies defenders, half decent finisher). But pace, the ability to beat a man and crossing aren't in his repertoire. Er bayern, this isn't just any Walters, this is sjw. Which is significantly better than the m&s Walters. Right I'm going to bed before I make anymore shit posts. Good night.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:15:00 GMT
Vital? Moses didn't work hard, he was a lazy fuck. He's the best winger we've had at the club in the past 3/4 years! And I would love him back, brilliant player. I need a beer, fucking Nora. Go on, do explain....
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Post by kustokie on Aug 21, 2015 22:15:27 GMT
Have you ever watched Walters play ? If you think he's any of those three you clearly haven't. He can do many things (scores a few goals, winds the fuck up out of the opposition-his best trait, occasionally bullies defenders, half decent finisher). But pace, the ability to beat a man and crossing aren't in his repertoire. I have to side with bayern on this one. Walters has a lot a qualities. But being a pacy winger ain't one of them. We're very lop-sided with Arnie on the left and Walters on the right, which makes us predictable and easier to defend. The way we line up 4-2-3-1 we need quality wingers on both flanks to stretch out the opposition's back 4.
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 21, 2015 22:16:08 GMT
Wingers don't need to work hard? Come off it. It's vital they work hard. Vital? Moses didn't work hard, he was a lazy fuck. He's the best winger we've had the club in the past 3/4 years! Wingers account for the majority of full back marking in today's game. To enable no doubling up on the full backs. They need to be at one end of the pitch, then 10 seconds later at the other. I don't dismiss all your ideas and theories, but to say wingers don't need to work hard is an ignorant comment.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:16:30 GMT
I need a beer, fucking Nora. Go on, do explain.... What the fact that your extremely anti Walters or the fact I'm drinking
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 22:18:35 GMT
Whatever your thoughts on Jon, he's obviously appreciated by the manager. We all thought he was just a Pulis plodder but he's remained almost as important and regular to the team under a new manager with a completely different outlook. Like everybody else, I'm looking forwrd to us lining up with Shaqiri, Arnie and Bojan as an attacking 3 behind Joselu or Diouf but there is perhaps a bit of the "Championship Manager" thinking behind that. We all want to see the best attacking players on the pitch at the same time, and I'm sure we will, but that doesn't mean Jon is completely surplus to requirements. He's a good player, very good on his day in fact, and he works incredibly hard for the team. When we conceded against Spurs with Johnson going AWOL, it was Walters busting a gut to get behind to thwart ghe attack. It didn't work on that occasion but his work ethic was clear to see. He's not the most naturally talented player in the world but he's not half as bad as some make out. The squad would be worse off without him. The thing with them three and I'm basing it on assumptions watching Shaqiri previously is that all of them are massively hard workers but combine it with better attacking play. And imo he's not the hardest worker in the team any more. Step forward Mr Diouf. Completely agree mate. It wasn't a dig at the others, just a bit of praise for Jon. The best attacking players all work incredibly hard for their teams. The players that "think" they're the best tend not to (Balotelli).
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 21, 2015 22:19:14 GMT
Unless we are offered £5M+ I say keep Walters till the end of his contract and then offer him what we think is right and allow him to go elsewhere if he prefers.
Walters doesn't really need extra motivation but he he definitely not be slacking this season if he knew he was playing for new deal.
Walters does have a part to play this season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2015 22:19:08 GMT
This isn't commenting on John as a player but when people quote his goal record they're talking shit the majority of goals he has scored are from the spot and he still misses a fair few. He is far from a natural goal scorer So, still a goal aint it, or do they not count.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:19:38 GMT
Vital? Moses didn't work hard, he was a lazy fuck. He's the best winger we've had the club in the past 3/4 years! Wingers account for the majority of full back marking in today's game. To enable no doubling up on the full backs. They need to be at one end of the pitch, then 10 seconds later at the other. I don't dismiss all your ideas and theories, but to say wingers don't need to work hard is an ignorant comment. I'd put that right down the list, of course they have to help the full back but it comes way after all the attacking stuff. And most do it as a matter of course and it's not the reason they're picked. And if it is I usually don't like it (see Willian at Chelsea). And Moses is a lazy cunt, he doesn't need it, I'd have him in the side tomorrow. It's not vital,
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:20:46 GMT
Unless we are offered £5M+ I say keep Walters till the end of his contract and then offer him what we think is right and allow him to go elsewhere if he prefers. Walters doesn't really need extra motivation but he he definitely not be slacking this season if he knew he was playing for new deal. Walters does have a part to play this season. He's a good player, and I hope he stays for another few years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:20:57 GMT
What the fact that your extremely anti Walters or the fact I'm drinking The post you quoted had fuck all to do with Walters and was completely about Victor Moses.....
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:22:04 GMT
What the fact that your extremely anti Walters or the fact I'm drinking The post you quoted had fuck all to do with Walters and was completely about Victor Moses..... come again
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:23:19 GMT
The thing with them three and I'm basing it on assumptions watching Shaqiri previously is that all of them are massively hard workers but combine it with better attacking play. And imo he's not the hardest worker in the team any more. Step forward Mr Diouf. Completely agree mate. It wasn't a dig at the others, just a bit of praise for Jon. The best attacking players all work incredibly hard for their teams. The players that "think" they're the best tend not to (Balotelli). Balotelli's a weird one. I honestly think that if someone got his head straight he'd be one of the best in the world because he's got absolutely everything but what an absolute clown.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2015 22:23:30 GMT
I have, lots of times. I'm with Bayern on his one. His character around the dressing room and his never say die attitude are commendable qualities but let's not start making shit up just because it suits. Remember when we played West Ham last season. Walters outsprinted that Jenkinson and that Jenkinson had an headstart. He's never struck me as being particularly pacey but there's probably Opta stats or summat that'll prove it one way or another. I'd have Wingie in the side long before JW to be honest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 22:24:22 GMT
The post you quoted had fuck all to do with Walters and was completely about Victor Moses..... come again Victor Moses is ace. But lazy. Sign him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2015 22:24:49 GMT
Whatever your thoughts on Jon, he's obviously appreciated by the manager. We all thought he was just a Pulis plodder but he's remained almost as important and regular to the team under a new manager with a completely different outlook. Like everybody else, I'm looking forwrd to us lining up with Shaqiri, Arnie and Bojan as an attacking 3 behind Joselu or Diouf but there is perhaps a bit of the "Championship Manager" thinking behind that. We all want to see the best attacking players on the pitch at the same time, and I'm sure we will, but that doesn't mean Jon is completely surplus to requirements. He's a good player, very good on his day in fact, and he works incredibly hard for the team. When we conceded against Spurs with Johnson going AWOL, it was Walters busting a gut to get behind to thwart ghe attack. It didn't work on that occasion but his work ethic was clear to see. He's not the most naturally talented player in the world but he's not half as bad as some make out. The squad would be worse off without him. The thing with them three and I'm basing it on assumptions watching Shaqiri previously is that all of them are massively hard workers but combine it with better attacking play. And imo he's not the hardest worker in the team any more. Step forward Mr Diouf. Not a surprise, players that aren't that great technically are always the hard workers
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 21, 2015 22:24:37 GMT
If you think he's any of those three you clearly haven't. He can do many things (scores a few goals, winds the fuck up out of the opposition-his best trait, occasionally bullies defenders, half decent finisher). But pace, the ability to beat a man and crossing aren't in his repertoire. I have to side with bayern on this one. Walters has a lot a qualities. But being a pacy winger ain't one of them. We're very lop-sided with Arnie on the left and Walters on the right, which makes us predictable and easier to defend. The way we line up 4-2-3-1 we need quality wingers on both flanks to stretch out the opposition's back 4. 4-2-3-1 with quality wingers etc I love the knowledge of many on this board when the likes of Leslie and others on a £million are wrapped up in bed.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:25:34 GMT
Remember when we played West Ham last season. Walters outsprinted that Jenkinson and that Jenkinson had an headstart. He's never struck me as being particularly pacey but there's probably Opta stats or summat that'll prove it one way or another. I'd have Wingie in the side long before JW to be honest. No way, Peter O is a lovely chap but he's Finished . At least Walters can change games and have effect.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2015 22:26:07 GMT
Victor Moses is ace. But lazy. Sign him. John Walters is ace. Not lazy. Let's stick with what we've got.
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