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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2015 16:44:04 GMT
Love to get him. Winger issues well and truly banished.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 22, 2015 8:50:48 GMT
Moses last season was better than Arnie.
An in form Moses was one of the standout players on Chelsea's pre-season, an in-form Moses is a better, more effective footballer than an in-form Arnie.
It is not a fact that Mose is injury prone.
It is a fact that our results last season, particularly away, were better with Moses playing.
It is a fact that Moses is young, knows the squad, knows the league and is home grown.
It is a fact that people on this board have goldfish like memories and don't remember that Moses was our only threat until Bojan hit form.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2015 8:57:11 GMT
It is a fact that he didn't want to be here.
It is a fact that we now have better.
It is a disputed fact that he is as good as Arnie.
If he isn't injury prone why does he need to go off so often?
Bullet dodged
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 22, 2015 10:57:14 GMT
Arnie has far more to his game than Moses, I'd pick Arnie every time.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 22, 2015 12:40:52 GMT
Moses formally available according to BBC gossip and Espn
Would be a superb left side signing and half the price of Yarmo proven and better age only 24
We could then by a centre half or midfielder with the other £7 million Better value and more balance come on stoke get it done
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 22, 2015 12:45:33 GMT
It is a fact that he didn't want to be here. It is a fact that we now have better. It is a disputed fact that he is as good as Arnie. If he isn't injury prone why does he need to go off so often? Bullet dodged It isn't a 'fact' that we now have better. I could never understand just what made you hate him so much? Was it the 'I'm a Chelsea player' stuff?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 22, 2015 12:46:21 GMT
Arnie has far more to his game than Moses, I'd pick Arnie every time. 'Every' time? Even when he's not in form?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 15:30:57 GMT
Moses bruises easier than a bowl of week old fruit.
Good player but misses too many games for me to spend £7m on.
Would prefer a Centre Half at this moment in time.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 22, 2015 15:32:47 GMT
Today shows why he is an infinitely better option than armies who you is it can't predict week from week
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2015 16:10:25 GMT
It is a fact that he didn't want to be here. It is a fact that we now have better. It is a disputed fact that he is as good as Arnie. If he isn't injury prone why does he need to go off so often? Bullet dodged It isn't a 'fact' that we now have better. I could never understand just what made you hate him so much? Was it the 'I'm a Chelsea player' stuff? Don't hate him but don't rate him that much either. He gave all the body language of being here because he was forced to be, which is probably the "I'm a Chelsea player" stuff. I was excited at the prospect of him playing at first but rapidly became disappointed by his attitude and work effort. On his good days he could be brilliant but all too often when things went against him he suddenly managed an injury. In total he was involved in 16 games during a full season many of which he didn't finish. If he could get his head in the right place he could be brilliant but I have yet to see evidence of it. Arnie on his day is just as good and is prepared to track back and defend which Moses did sometimes. On that basis I say Arnie is better. A matter of opinion of course. I would have been all for another loan but didn't want us to waste the opportunity by buying him only to get minimal games out of him. He is now available, it will be interesting to see how much competition there is to sign him. On the other hand Shiqiri was absolutely class today, thankfully so was Jack. Prefer us to spend the £5 to £7 million on a centre back as our defence has been the worst I have ever seen it this season.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 22, 2015 16:15:55 GMT
stokie Joe, What makes you think Moses is now available?
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2015 16:24:29 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 22, 2015 20:09:53 GMT
Arnie has far more to his game than Moses, I'd pick Arnie every time. 'Every' time? Even when he's not in form? Yes chief
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 23, 2015 8:51:24 GMT
'Every' time? Even when he's not in form? Yes chief That's mental then, isn't it?
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Post by upthefud on Aug 23, 2015 9:09:59 GMT
Arnie was shit yesterday. Moses running at their two booked centre halves would have seen us nick that.
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Post by badger on Aug 23, 2015 9:42:20 GMT
Daily Mirror reckon Hammers have bid £6m for him.
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Post by michelle1863 on Aug 23, 2015 9:49:19 GMT
I can't help but think if he had wanted to come here, he'd already be here....I like to think it's purely a location thing rather than anything else!
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Post by ti on Aug 23, 2015 9:52:48 GMT
would love him here. don't think it will happen though. I think he creates much more than Arnie and more consistently.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Aug 23, 2015 9:53:04 GMT
Don't want him. Didn't want us, and now injured. Want him even less.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 23, 2015 10:07:45 GMT
That's mental then, isn't it? I'm even more mental than jimmy on your avatar joking aside mate I just prefer arnie chief, I like Moses and wouldn't turn my nose up at us signing him though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 10:13:29 GMT
It's his injury record that puts me off and the fact he seems to go off a lot with a new injury every few games.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 23, 2015 11:58:35 GMT
It is a fact that he didn't want to be here. It is a fact that we now have better. It is a disputed fact that he is as good as Arnie. If he isn't injury prone why does he need to go off so often? Bullet dodged Rubbish utter tripe
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Post by jeycov on Aug 23, 2015 12:04:04 GMT
I can't help but think if he had wanted to come here, he'd already be here....I like to think it's purely a location thing rather than anything else! Yes he hasn't returned to the clubs where he has been on loan!
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Post by fca47 on Aug 23, 2015 12:04:01 GMT
Best winger we have had here for last 20 odd years. Can't blame him for wanting to stay at Chelsea for the honours, but London based players do have this strange fascination with that shithole.
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2015 12:08:08 GMT
Best winger we have had here for last 20 odd years. Can't blame him for wanting to stay at Chelsea for the honours, but London based players do have this strange fascination with that shithole. London is the city of his birth and it's also a city that has massive sway over any young person ( not just footballers ) due to everything that goes with it and the social scene Ifs why WHU and even Fulham a few years ago get many of their targets over cities like Stoke Hull etc Sadly that's the reality
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Post by fca47 on Aug 23, 2015 12:13:12 GMT
Best winger we have had here for last 20 odd years. Can't blame him for wanting to stay at Chelsea for the honours, but London based players do have this strange fascination with that shithole. London is the city of his birth and it's also a city that has massive sway over any young person ( not just footballers ) due to everything that goes with it and the social scene Ifs why WHU and even Fulham a few years ago get many of their targets over cities like Stoke Hull etc Sadly that's the reality For single people I can understand it, but I think he has a family, can't think of a worse place to live.
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Post by werrington on Aug 23, 2015 12:17:03 GMT
London is the city of his birth and it's also a city that has massive sway over any young person ( not just footballers ) due to everything that goes with it and the social scene Ifs why WHU and even Fulham a few years ago get many of their targets over cities like Stoke Hull etc Sadly that's the reality For single people I can understand it, but I think he has a family, can't think of a worse place to live. It's his home city though mate Nobody can blame him for wanting to live in it ........saying that I honestly still think he'll end up here come September
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 23, 2015 14:06:25 GMT
It is a fact that he didn't want to be here.u It is a fact that we now have better. It is a disputed fact that he is as good as Arnie. If he isn't injury prone why does he need to go off so often? Bullet dodged Rubbish utter tripe So you are saying he did want to be here so why isn't he? You dispute that he only played 16 games for us out of 38 and didn't finish all of them because of injury You are saying that he tracks back and gives as much effort as Arnie? Let's see how many teams bid for him and agree with you now that Chelsea don't want him.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 23, 2015 14:19:28 GMT
So you are saying he did want to be here so why isn't he? You dispute that he only played 16 games for us out of 38 and didn't finish all of them because of injury You are saying that he tracks back and gives as much effort as Arnie? Let's see how many teams bid for him and agree with you now that Chelsea don't want him. Please enlighten me as to how much Shaqiri wanted to be here... Moses is a better player than Arnie. He kept Arnie out of the team and our results with him in the side especially away were far better than without him. Did you see any of the first half of the season? Waters tracks back more and works harder than Arnie so let's pick him over Armie if that's your criteria for w winger. I agree wholeheartedly with the poster ego said he was our best winger for 20 years. Pace trickery goals and assists.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 23, 2015 14:50:25 GMT
So you are saying he did want to be here so why isn't he? You dispute that he only played 16 games for us out of 38 and didn't finish all of them because of injury You are saying that he tracks back and gives as much effort as Arnie? Let's see how many teams bid for him and agree with you now that Chelsea don't want him. Please enlighten me as to how much Shaqiri wanted to be here... Moses is a better player than Arnie. He kept Arnie out of the team and our results with him in the side especially away were far better than without him. Did you see any of the first half of the season? Waters tracks back more and works harder than Arnie so let's pick him over Armie if that's your criteria for w winger. I agree wholeheartedly with the poster ego said he was our best winger for 20 years. Pace trickery goals and assists. Why should I bother to answer your questions when you don't bother to answer mine? Clearly you think he is wonderful, but your opinion is based on the same limited information ad mine. He didn't complete 16 out of 38 games, he is injured again. His record over several seasons is against him. When he is good he is brilliant, just not often enough. To answer your question, there were no direct quotes from Shaqiri saying he didn't want to be here, it was attributed to him that he wanted to stay and fight for a place. Highly commendable. ,
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