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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 19, 2015 20:05:04 GMT
Have I missed a chunk of something but that says Mourinho might play Moses against WBA, not loan him to them. I'm ambivalent about Moses. Very good, but he doesn't have that maverick unpredictably that Arnautovic possesses or the electricity of Shaqiri, so would back up suit Moses? Yeah - the WBA rumour has come from the journo, Rob Beasley, on twitter and isn't connected to that line about his potential availability for theirgame there this weekend. Was just highlighting that his latest injury is just a little niggle that kept him out for a few days. It'd be interesting to see what Hughes thought about Moses. He seemed to pick him every time ahead of Arnie - but Arnie has started the season well, and ended last season fantastically. Does he see Afellay as the current back-up on the left or more of a midfield option? I think Afellay will develop into cover for the wide left role and the central midfield ones - when all are fit, I can't see him starting. Any Stoke deal for Moses is a dead duck now - he doesn't want to come, we don't want to pay the silly money Chelski want, we can't loan him as we have MVG, Arnie has been playing a blinder as first choice on the left and Moses is the kind of bloke who gets injured bending down to tie his shoelaces.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 19, 2015 20:11:45 GMT
Yeah - the WBA rumour has come from the journo, Rob Beasley, on twitter and isn't connected to that line about his potential availability for theirgame there this weekend. Was just highlighting that his latest injury is just a little niggle that kept him out for a few days. It'd be interesting to see what Hughes thought about Moses. He seemed to pick him every time ahead of Arnie - but Arnie has started the season well, and ended last season fantastically. Does he see Afellay as the current back-up on the left or more of a midfield option? I think Afellay will develop into cover for the wide left role and the central midfield ones - when all are fit, I can't see him starting. Any Stoke deal for Moses is a dead duck now - he doesn't want to come, we don't want to pay the silly money Chelski want, we can't loan him as we have MVG, Arnie has been playing a blinder as first choice on the left and Moses is the kind of bloke who gets injured bending down to tie his shoelaces. If it boiled down to a choice of sitting in the stands at Chelsea, a perm move here, or playing as an auxiliary full-back in Smethwick, maybe he'd be a bit keener? He must know after the Pedro signing that it's time to close the door on Chelsea and re-commit somewhere else long-term. You're probably right though and I can't realistically see us putting down the money Chelsea would want for a permanent deal.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 19, 2015 20:12:22 GMT
Yeah - the WBA rumour has come from the journo, Rob Beasley, on twitter and isn't connected to that line about his potential availability for theirgame there this weekend. Was just highlighting that his latest injury is just a little niggle that kept him out for a few days. It'd be interesting to see what Hughes thought about Moses. He seemed to pick him every time ahead of Arnie - but Arnie has started the season well, and ended last season fantastically. Does he see Afellay as the current back-up on the left or more of a midfield option? I think Afellay will develop into cover for the wide left role and the central midfield ones - when all are fit, I can't see him starting. Any Stoke deal for Moses is a dead duck now - he doesn't want to come, we don't want to pay the silly money Chelski want, we can't loan him as we have MVG, Arnie has been playing a blinder as first choice on the left and Moses is the kind of bloke who gets injured bending down to tie his shoelaces. We need wide players with pace, pace and some more pace. Early days but I don't se affellay as a winger/wide option at all. I can see him featuring regularly in midfield. He had a very good second half at spurs
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2015 20:14:37 GMT
Have I missed a chunk of something but that says Mourinho might play Moses against WBA, not loan him to them. I'm ambivalent about Moses. Very good, but he doesn't have that maverick unpredictably that Arnautovic possesses or the electricity of Shaqiri, so would back up suit Moses? Yeah - the WBA rumour has come from the journo, Rob Beasley, on twitter and isn't connected to that line about his potential availability for theirgame there this weekend. Was just highlighting that his latest injury is just a little niggle that kept him out for a few days. It'd be interesting to see what Hughes thought about Moses. He seemed to pick him every time ahead of Arnie - but Arnie has started the season well, and ended last season fantastically. Does he see Afellay as the current back-up on the left or more of a midfield option? I never understood why Moses never had a go on the right, I do think there'd be times when he cut onto his preferred right foot and hampered his momentum {only a quibble}, he just seemed as suited, if not more so to the right wing. He didn't have much of a preseason last year and there's a risk again this year someone will be getting a cold Moses. With our high profile signings the reality may be that they only stay for 12/18months, I'd prefer us to spend less and buy younger talent to be developed over that timescale {like Moha hopefully.} I think Diouf is looking really good on the wing as a back up too. {As well as Odemwingie and Walters as it stands.} Moses for me would be overload {wages etc etc}. There's already loads to get enthused about, and I'm struggling to grasp exactly who and what we've added. Signing Afellay blew me head of. It was interesting reading ElliotHackney's interview withe Olympiakos fan, who said Afellay had lost a yard and had moved to a No10 role. Perhaps that's what we've seen a bit of. The finest footballers can adapt their game, he seems to have the ability to hold onto the ball, drift and find space, and no doubt he can pick out a pass. Perhaps he can drop deeper behind Bojan, Ireland in an N'Zonzi way. I'm looking forward to finding out. Hughes has shown flexibility in the formations depending on the opposition, and now 2/3 subs are the norm. We'll see loads of rotation this year {I think}, he's already used 17 players in two games. Exciting times.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2015 11:55:15 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2015 12:04:51 GMT
Now Chelsea stance has changed to Moses for sale we shoudl be all over it. Be astonished if we are not. I still think the Chelsea-Spurs (or rather Abramovic-Levy) antonginsim will help Stoke get him if we want him badly enough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2015 12:07:09 GMT
Absolute no brainer this, get him signed!
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Post by upthefud on Aug 21, 2015 12:13:48 GMT
Would complete a fantastic window.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 21, 2015 12:13:54 GMT
An in form Arnie> Moses anyday
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 21, 2015 12:19:37 GMT
As has been stated afew times on other threads, we really do need 3 top top wide men, they get injured, they blow hot and cold. So yes Moses or yarmo would be very useful. Lets not find ourselves having to shift Diouf out wide and I am not sure Afellay although I do like the look of him is the answer out wide. I really hope we haven't finished buying in this window
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 21, 2015 12:21:00 GMT
I think Afellay will develop into cover for the wide left role and the central midfield ones - when all are fit, I can't see him starting. Any Stoke deal for Moses is a dead duck now - he doesn't want to come, we don't want to pay the silly money Chelski want, we can't loan him as we have MVG, Arnie has been playing a blinder as first choice on the left and Moses is the kind of bloke who gets injured bending down to tie his shoelaces. We need wide players with pace, pace and some more pace. Early days but I don't se affellay as a winger/wide option at all. I can see him featuring regularly in midfield. He had a very good second half at spurs I agree 100%. He might play the odd part of a game on the wing but he looks far better suited to Central Midfield - where he actually looks rather good.
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2015 12:21:53 GMT
An in form Arnie> Moses anyday don't have a problem with that opinion but that's not the pointAs Hughes made clear yesterday it's a squad game,there is no dream XI that will play every,or even the majority,of games. If we want to play,& we clearly do,with quality out wide you need 3 quality wingers & we have two. Unless Odemwingie really comes good (& I'm not slating him,he's auseful player off the bench for sure) then we need another one ideally. Moses ticks lost of boxes. get him in if we can.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 21, 2015 12:22:42 GMT
An in form Arnie> Moses anyday Don't forget we have Shaqiri too. Can't see Arnie or Moses happy at playing second fiddle.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2015 12:22:53 GMT
Would love him at Stoke. Villa mentioned again looks like they're signing anyone that moves.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 21, 2015 12:24:28 GMT
If we're going spend more money on a winger give me Yarmolenko all day
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Post by huddy on Aug 21, 2015 12:32:59 GMT
We know he fits in and can play in the Prem.I imagine he would be half the price of Yarmolenko.No brainer even as a squad player for me.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 21, 2015 12:33:10 GMT
I think Afellay will develop into cover for the wide left role and the central midfield ones - when all are fit, I can't see him starting. Any Stoke deal for Moses is a dead duck now - he doesn't want to come, we don't want to pay the silly money Chelski want, we can't loan him as we have MVG, Arnie has been playing a blinder as first choice on the left and Moses is the kind of bloke who gets injured bending down to tie his shoelaces. We need wide players with pace, pace and some more pace. Early days but I don't se affellay as a winger/wide option at all. I can see him featuring regularly in midfield. He had a very good second half at spurs Yes Afellay will start a lot in midfield especially against the weaker teams. He gets on the ball and looks to play a telling pass. Walters , Wingy and Dioif are the wide back up options
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 12:36:55 GMT
An in form Arnie> Moses anyday don't have a problem with that opinion but that's not the pointAs Hughes made clear yesterday it's a squad game,there is no dream XI that will play every,or even the majority,of games. If we want to play,& we clearly do,with quality out wide you need 3 quality wingers & we have two. Unless Odemwingie really comes good (& I'm not slating him,he's auseful player off the bench for sure) then we need another one ideally. Moses ticks lost of boxes. get him in if we can. but can we get him considering 1 of those 3 will know full well they'll be spending a fair bit of time on the bench? which of the 3 would be happy with that? yes, it's a squad game but there's a reason why most "Squad players" (as opposed to first XI) don't tend to be as high quality. i can't see a club of our size getting 3 high quality wingers cos we just won't be able to keep them all happy. a player like Moses would expect first team football at a club like ours....maybe in a couple of years if we carry on progressing players may be happy to just be at Stoke but not yet.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 21, 2015 12:40:10 GMT
Would love him at Stoke. Villa mentioned again looks like they're signing anyone that moves. We've signed more than they have
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Post by upthefud on Aug 21, 2015 12:40:57 GMT
An in form Arnie> Moses anyday Which one kept the other out of the team last season? Moses is a better player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 12:41:37 GMT
Would love him at Stoke. Villa mentioned again looks like they're signing anyone that moves. We've signed more than they have was about to say this we've got 9 players in so far, we're the Premier league slags this window (and i'm more than happy with that)
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 21, 2015 12:41:45 GMT
If Spurs really ARE interested it's an absolute no brainer for Moses.
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Post by Silkystoke on Aug 21, 2015 12:43:33 GMT
Sorry, didn't he say he didn't won't to sign for Stoke... For me, he had is chance,...
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Aug 21, 2015 12:47:20 GMT
I'd be happy to have him back... mostly because i'd hate to see him hit top form for the likes of Villa, Spurs or WBA!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 21, 2015 12:52:47 GMT
An in form Arnie> Moses anyday don't have a problem with that opinion but that's not the pointAs Hughes made clear yesterday it's a squad game,there is no dream XI that will play every,or even the majority,of games. If we want to play,& we clearly do,with quality out wide you need 3 quality wingers & we have two. Unless Odemwingie really comes good (& I'm not slating him,he's auseful player off the bench for sure) then we need another one ideally. Moses ticks lost of boxes. get him in if we can. Yep. Plus we're yet to see an in-form Arnie over the course of a season.
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2015 14:26:04 GMT
don't have a problem with that opinion but that's not the pointAs Hughes made clear yesterday it's a squad game,there is no dream XI that will play every,or even the majority,of games. If we want to play,& we clearly do,with quality out wide you need 3 quality wingers & we have two. Unless Odemwingie really comes good (& I'm not slating him,he's auseful player off the bench for sure) then we need another one ideally. Moses ticks lost of boxes. get him in if we can. but can we get him considering 1 of those 3 will know full well they'll be spending a fair bit of time on the bench? which of the 3 would be happy with that? yes, it's a squad game but there's a reason why most "Squad players" (as opposed to first XI) don't tend to be as high quality. i can't see a club of our size getting 3 high quality wingers cos we just won't be able to keep them all happy. a player like Moses would expect first team football at a club like ours....maybe in a couple of years if we carry on progressing players may be happy to just be at Stoke but not yet. he'd be in a similar position at Villa Sinclair,Traore,Moses Ife he wants to be 'first choice' then he might have to drop a division or go abroad
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Post by kurt on Aug 21, 2015 15:40:43 GMT
First of all I would prefer Yarmolenko over Moses at any time, but Victor has shown bis class last year in several games. I'm not sure, if Stoke should try to get him back, cause 1. Victor is often injured and 2. I think, Arni woul show his real class, if he gets the signal from the club (manager) that he is the "Chief of the left side"
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2015 15:48:53 GMT
Would love him at Stoke. Villa mentioned again looks like they're signing anyone that moves. We've signed more than they have Yep but broken down a lot of ours are squad players / ones for the future so I think it's a little deceptive. I'm not saying that's s bad thing but people talk we've dismantled the whole team. Only Johnson, Van Ginkle and Shaq look likely to start tomorrow the remainder are our team from last season.
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Post by canadastu on Aug 21, 2015 15:57:27 GMT
Moses is injury prone, thats a fact. Spending good money on Moses would be a waste, invest more in a better / fitter option
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2015 16:35:51 GMT
Thought he had picked up a long lasting injury again, am I wrong? If not bring him in, but not for more than £6M as he is so injury prone and we don't need to buy! I'm very pleased with Shaq and Arnie on the wings with SJW and afellay as replacements! If SJW is sold to Norwich we certainly must bring in another winger of Victor's standard. I guess a Yarmolenko deal would stop this deal right away!
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