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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 12:40:58 GMT
Lets see at the end of this coming season, as people have pointed out Wolly needs to be judged over a longer period, he has had a good four months at the end of last season with plenty of rest time and a full pre season under his belt let's judge him now he has had time to acclimatise. I do think he's been judged far too quickly. I know he lacks pace but many a good CH has lacked that. He had a few very good games last season and a few shockers but it really is far too early to be writing him off. A very different 'animal' I know but we sing loud about Huth's German International qualifications and yet (I believe) this fella has a similar number of German Caps. I'm really not trying to compare the two as they're very different players but...come on....let's at least give the fella a fair crack of the whip before we dismiss him.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 12:41:11 GMT
He spent £8m on a player at Stoke once, we hardly ever saw him again seriously I would trust him more spending that amount on a CH than any flair player, he does not do flair players very well, the money he spent on Ryan and Huth was well worth it to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:41:39 GMT
Good centre half. Stupid money.
What's with the knicker wetting? Move on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 28, 2015 12:41:37 GMT
Please tell me more about James Chester (like Ryan, a graduate of the Man Utd academy) where his failings are, what you see as his true market value and why you are concerned about West Brom's transfer business. Then there might be a basis for a discussion, rather than your Pulis hating dogshit. Let's not beat around the bush, Stoke fans take interest in what Pulis does, whether you love him or hate him, they do. Period. So please don't question why I take an interest in their signings, or merely try to open a decent debate that I've actually been able to have with dozintheseventees. Read my original post, it was merely a comparison of our transfer policy, more so aimed at people moaning about this summer's business. It was actually very positive about our current affairs, using the past to show how good things are now. I haven't been a poster on the Oatcake for long to be honest pal, but in my days of being an onlooker and my short time as a more active poster I have been able to gather that positivity isn't really your thing is it? Maybe that is why you love Pulis so much, his boring and negative football perhaps suits your personality and that is fair enough mate. As for Chester, the fact you have compared him to Shawcross is laughable and the fact you think being a United graduate makes him decent is just as funny. If his graduation from the shit showed any promise he wouldn't be getting relegated with Hull at the age of 26 and resurrecting his career at Tony Pulis' West fucking Brom. I haven't compared him to Shawcross just said he's trodden a similar route (if 18 months years later in his career). Thanks for confirming though you no fucking idea if this is a good piece of business or not, don't know how good he is and consequently have no idea on the value of the transfer. One can only speculate at the motives for your post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:42:21 GMT
8 mill for Chester...
Or Affelay, Given, Van Ginkel and Johnson.......plus 8 mill change....
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 12:44:55 GMT
Can someone please tell me where James Chester did anything to warrant being 'rated'? Signed for Hull in the championship, became a mainstay of their defence and got them promoted. Fairly recently called upto international side. Fairly similar path to our Ryan. He's rated rather highly by us isn't he ? If we sold him for 8 Million this place would be bedlam. Common sense DOES exist.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 28, 2015 12:45:14 GMT
I don't really see the problem here.
Tony Pulis won't get relegated and James Chester isn't a bad signing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:45:17 GMT
8 mill for Chester... Or Affelay, Given, Van Ginkel and Johnson.......plus 8 mill change.... Thank you, somebody who understands what I was actually trying to say. Things could be a lot worse than what we have done this summer.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 28, 2015 12:48:12 GMT
He spent £8m on a player at Stoke once, we hardly ever saw him again seriously I would trust him more spending that amount on a CH than any flair player, he does not do flair players very well, the money he spent on Ryan and Huth was well worth it to be fair. The money he spent on Begovic/Sorenson. Huth/Ad Faye/Shawcross/Cort. Whelan/N'Zonzi/Delap. Lawrence/Etherington/Walters. Fuller/Sidibe/Beattie/Crouch kind of gives him a free pass when it comes to Palacios.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 12:49:55 GMT
8 mill for Chester... Or Affelay, Given, Van Ginkel and Johnson.......plus 8 mill change.... Sort of depends if Pulis was looking for a keeper, a midfielder, a full back (some hope!), a winger OR A Centre Half. I know what you mean mate.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 28, 2015 12:49:57 GMT
Signed for Hull in the championship, became a mainstay of their defence and got them promoted. Fairly recently called upto international side. Fairly similar path to our Ryan. He's rated rather highly by us isn't he ? If we sold him for 8 Million this place would be bedlam. Common sense DOES exist. Not really, you can't compare players just because they came from the same club. Oh and the fact that Chesters is not a patch on Ryan.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 28, 2015 12:51:59 GMT
Can someone please tell me where James Chester did anything to warrant being 'rated'? Signed for Hull in the championship, became a mainstay of their defence and got them promoted. Fairly recently called upto international side. Fairly similar path to our Ryan. He's rated rather highly by us isn't he ? If we sold him for 8 Million this place would be bedlam.
"Chester made his Premier League debut on 18 August 2013." Shawcross has five years' experience on him.
£8 Million is crazy, crazy money and whilst I'm not going to say he's shit, I'd be worried if my club was signing him as a first choice CB for that much. Lunacy.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 12:52:52 GMT
8 mill for Chester... Or Affelay, Given, Van Ginkel and Johnson.......plus 8 mill change.... One loan player we know little about, a winger who could be good but might not, an aged goalkeeper and a full back past his best who struggles to defend, now I am no Pulis lover but he tends to know a decent CH when he sees one.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 12:54:30 GMT
Not really, you can't compare players just because they came from the same club. Oh and the fact that Chesters is not a patch on Ryan. But that is based purely on YOUR OPINION of Ryan mate isn't it? I share your opinion BTW. I think the original comment was fair though mate.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 28, 2015 12:55:26 GMT
Not really, you can't compare players just because they came from the same club. Oh and the fact that Chesters is not a patch on Ryan. But that is based purely on YOUR OPINION of Ryan mate isn't it? I share your opinion BTW. I think the original comment was fair though mate. Not so much common sense then than just his sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:57:20 GMT
8 mill for Chester... Or Affelay, Given, Van Ginkel and Johnson.......plus 8 mill change.... One loan player we know little about, a winger who could be good but might not, an aged goalkeeper and a full back past his best who struggles to defend, now I am no Pulis lover but he tends to know a decent CH when he sees one. I think the record needs to be set straight on Van Ginkel, he was one of the most highly-rated midfielders in Europe when he came to Chelsea, he had a horrific injury but I think he is back in good shape after a decent loan spell at none other than AC Milan, and I have no doubt he will shine for us next season.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 13:05:16 GMT
Lets see at the end of this coming season, as people have pointed out Wolly needs to be judged over a longer period, he has had a good four months at the end of last season with plenty of rest time and a full pre season under his belt let's judge him now he has had time to acclimatise. I do think he's been judged far too quickly. I know he lacks pace but many a good CH has lacked that. He had a few very good games last season and a few shockers but it really is far too early to be writing him off. A very different 'animal' I know but we sing loud about Huth's German International qualifications and yet (I believe) this fella has a similar number of German Caps. I'm really not trying to compare the two as they're very different players but...come on....let's at least give the fella a fair crack of the whip before we dismiss him. I have just said that he needed time to settle in to our game, do you not think four/five months plus a full pre season is enough time ?, time will tell if he is effective in our team as Huth as you point out he has a similar number of international caps on that basis he is comparable, I agree he lacks pace infact he is pretty much devoid of pace but good CB's can make up in some ways with reading the game, strength in the air, strength on the ball, attitude etc we will see if this is the case.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 13:09:32 GMT
One loan player we know little about, a winger who could be good but might not, an aged goalkeeper and a full back past his best who struggles to defend, now I am no Pulis lover but he tends to know a decent CH when he sees one. I think the record needs to be set straight on Van Ginkel, he was one of the most highly-rated midfielders in Europe when he came to Chelsea, he had a horrific injury but I think he is back in good shape after a decent loan spell at none other than AC Milan, and I have no doubt he will shine for us next season. Hopefully you are right about his recovery etc. however he is still a loan player he does not belong to us he was a carrot in the Bego deal to soften the blow of the relatively cheap transfer fee we received.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 13:10:11 GMT
I do think he's been judged far too quickly. I know he lacks pace but many a good CH has lacked that. He had a few very good games last season and a few shockers but it really is far too early to be writing him off. A very different 'animal' I know but we sing loud about Huth's German International qualifications and yet (I believe) this fella has a similar number of German Caps. I'm really not trying to compare the two as they're very different players but...come on....let's at least give the fella a fair crack of the whip before we dismiss him. I have just said that he needed time to settle in to our game, do you not think four/five months plus a full pre season is enough time ?, time will tell if he is effective in our team as Huth as you point out he has a similar number of international caps on that basis he is comparable, I agree he lacks pace infact he is pretty much devoid of pace but good CB's can make up in some ways with reading the game, strength in the air, strength on the ball, attitude etc we will see if this is the case. Mate, I posted in SUPPORT of your comments. I agree with you.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 28, 2015 13:27:47 GMT
Signed for Hull in the championship, became a mainstay of their defence and got them promoted. Fairly recently called upto international side. Fairly similar path to our Ryan. He's rated rather highly by us isn't he ? If we sold him for 8 Million this place would be bedlam.
"Chester made his Premier League debut on 18 August 2013." Shawcross has five years' experience on him.
£8 Million is crazy, crazy money and whilst I'm not going to say he's shit, I'd be worried if my club was signing him as a first choice CB for that much. Lunacy.
Even more so crazy money for a guy in the last year of his contract, I would hope at that price the £8m includes add-on's and some pretty crazy ones at that like winning a cup, qualifying for europe, albion playing two up front away from home
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 13:40:05 GMT
"Chester made his Premier League debut on 18 August 2013." Shawcross has five years' experience on him.
£8 Million is crazy, crazy money and whilst I'm not going to say he's shit, I'd be worried if my club was signing him as a first choice CB for that much. Lunacy.
Even more so crazy money for a guy in the last year of his contract, I would hope at that price the £8m includes add-on's and some pretty crazy ones at that like winning a cup, qualifying for europe, albion playing two up front away from home How much did we sell Zonz for ?, the excuse given by many for the selling price was that he was in the last year of his contract.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jul 28, 2015 13:40:49 GMT
8 mill for Chester... Or Affelay, Given, Van Ginkel and Johnson.......plus 8 mill change.... Thank you, somebody who understands what I was actually trying to say. Things could be a lot worse than what we have done this summer. I'm no expert on the business of football transfers, but it seems to me that the "transfer fee" is mostly PR stuff for public consumption. £8 million sounds good to fans of the selling club and buying club. Hull supporters thinks we've got a decent price, Albion supporters think Jeremy Peace is still committed to the club.
The reality is we have absolutely no idea how the deal will be structured. As an example, I think the £8m quoted as the Kenwyne "transfer fee" was made up of a signing on fee to compensate for his reduced "headline salary" and was staged in payments to Sunderland over 4 seasons. Stoke City probably acquired KJ for maybe less than £2m down, but that doesn't make good news copy. Aren't Tottenham still waiting for some of the payments from Real Madrid for the Luka Modric transfer?
Similarly, there is no such thing as a free signing. I guess that part of the package to some of our new players will be a signing on fee. We often overlook salaries. Affelay, Johnson and Van Ginkel all have to be around 50k per week. I don't know if West Brom's wage structure goes that high.
In short, every Premier League club's investment in its playing staff is massive.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 28, 2015 13:41:23 GMT
It's all well and good saying Pulis knows a good CB when he sees one...
At only 5'11 tall, I have a sneaky feeling this one might have been earmarked for the 'Tony Pulis Fullback Re-education Program'... Previous graduates of the program include Jonathan Woodgate, Marc Wilson and Ryan Shawcross
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 13:43:06 GMT
Who gives a flying fuck?
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 28, 2015 13:46:19 GMT
To the tune of KC & the Sunshine Band's 'Give it Up' "Nananana na Bayerns cracking up, cracking up, Bayerns cracking up!"
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2015 13:47:13 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2015 13:48:55 GMT
I mean about the whole Pulis thing, can't we just leave it behind? It's pretty sad.
It's the same on Twatter, he's gone, move on. That goes for both sides.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2015 13:50:25 GMT
One year left on his deal (just like Zonz and Bego) and Hull still get this type of fee for him.
Not sure if it's a Jedi mind trick or the most farcical commentary on the English domestic transfer market imaginable!
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 13:51:54 GMT
It's all well and good saying Pulis knows a good CB when he sees one... At only 5'11 tall, I have a sneaky feeling this one might have been earmarked for the 'Tony Pulis Fullback Re-education Program'... Previous graduates of the program include Jonathan Woodgate, Marc Wilson and Ryan Shawcross Add Collins, Huth, Wilko and that's just at Stoke since we have been in the Prem.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2015 13:53:35 GMT
One year left on his deal (just like Zonz and Bego) and Hull still get this type of fee for him. Not sure if it's a Jedi mind trick or the most farcical commentary on the English domestic transfer market imaginable! Could be that we just shit at selling our players for decent money.
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