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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 9:43:26 GMT
Does he have one with us?
There doesn't seem to be many rumours about him leaving which could be for 2 reasons. 1) No bugger wants him which is understandable or 2) he's not for sale.
Which if it's the latter imo doesn't make any sense but it was always part of the risk giving him a 3 year deal (hell giving him a deal at all).
As soon as Cameron signed his new deal it rendered Bardsley surplus to requirements imo but does the manager see it that way? And if he doesn't what are his plans for Geoff?
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 26, 2015 9:45:26 GMT
Not as I see it bayern
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 9:48:17 GMT
Nor me but it's been awfully quiet surrounding him leaving. Which is a worry!
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 26, 2015 9:50:41 GMT
It will be interesting as the season unfolds, how Bardsley and Cameron are used. I would rate Johnson as first choice right back with Bards second but completely understand that others put Cameron second. No doubt we will see what Hughes thinks.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 26, 2015 9:53:58 GMT
Maybe Geoff only signed his new contract on the basis he'd be regarded as a central midfielder / centre half meaning Bardsley will provide cover for Johnson.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 9:54:49 GMT
Suppose it'll only emerge in time, but I'd assumed Johnson's arrival meant he'd be off as Cameron doesn't seem close enough to CB or CM to hand a 3-year contract to as some vague utility cover.
Cameron seemed to see him off in Hughes' mind in about March time.
Wilson is handy enough RB cover for a third stringer (although his future has got to be similarly up in the air until there's movement on his new deal)
Bardsley must be sitting on about 30k-a-year until 2017 though, so he's going to be a bugger to shift.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 9:54:46 GMT
It will be interesting as the season unfolds, how Bardsley and Cameron are used. I would rate Johnson as first choice right back with Bards second but completely understand that others put Cameron second. No doubt we will see what Hughes thinks. I would too but we don't need 3 frontline right backs, which is what they are. So the way I see it is that either Bardsley has to go (due to the strange decision to give Cameron a contract) or he's got plans for Cameron elsewhere, which is scary in itself! |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 26, 2015 9:57:16 GMT
It will be interesting as the season unfolds, how Bardsley and Cameron are used. I would rate Johnson as first choice right back with Bards second but completely understand that others put Cameron second. No doubt we will see what Hughes thinks. I would too but we don't need 3 frontline right backs, which is what they are. So the way I see it is that either Bardsley has to go (due to the strange decision to give Cameron a contract) or he's got plans for Cameron elsewhere, which is scary in itself! That's what concerns me too. |
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2015 9:59:17 GMT
Think there could be a few departures still to come ?
Bardsley, Walters and even Crouch could yet depart before the window closes
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:01:53 GMT
Squad player at best.
I'm not a big fan of Johnson at right back,but if he stays fit, I cant see Bardsley getting too many games.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 10:03:03 GMT
It will be interesting as the season unfolds, how Bardsley and Cameron are used. I would rate Johnson as first choice right back with Bards second but completely understand that others put Cameron second. No doubt we will see what Hughes thinks. I would too but we don't need 3 frontline right backs, which is what they are. So the way I see it is that either Bardsley has to go (due to the strange decision to give Cameron a contract) or he's got plans for Cameron elsewhere, which is scary in itself! The centre-half pecking order is totally in flux, especially with Muniesa and Shawcross' fragility, not to mention Wilson's contractual status and the fact Wilson is also theoretically primary left-back cover at this point! Geoff's chief benefit is his availability. Hard to know where he stands in terms of being in the mix with Sidwell and Whelan for the more defensive midfield roles compared to, say, Adam. Probably worryingly close as it stands. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:06:32 GMT
I would too but we don't need 3 frontline right backs, which is what they are. So the way I see it is that either Bardsley has to go (due to the strange decision to give Cameron a contract) or he's got plans for Cameron elsewhere, which is scary in itself! The centre-half pecking order is totally in flux, especially with Muniesa and Shawcross' fragility, not to mention Wilson's contractual status and the fact Wilson is also theoretically primary left-back cover at this point! Geoff's chief benefit is his availability. Hard to know where he stands in terms of being in the mix with Sidwell and Whelan for the more defensive midfield roles compared to, say, Adam. Probably worryingly close as it stands. He's surely 5th choice CB though? And Wilson is by far the better centre back, another fucked up decision if we let him go and keep Cameron..... The midfield to me looks scarily short at the moment. Across from the right to left wing. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 10:15:59 GMT
The centre-half pecking order is totally in flux, especially with Muniesa and Shawcross' fragility, not to mention Wilson's contractual status and the fact Wilson is also theoretically primary left-back cover at this point! Geoff's chief benefit is his availability. Hard to know where he stands in terms of being in the mix with Sidwell and Whelan for the more defensive midfield roles compared to, say, Adam. Probably worryingly close as it stands. He's surely 5th choice CB though? And Wilson is by far the better centre back, another fucked up decision if we let him go and keep Cameron..... The midfield to me looks scarily short at the moment. Across from the right to left wing. You'd have thought he was no higher than 5th choice CB. And hard to see him any higher than 4th in the pecking order for the 2 CM slots, behind Whelan, Sidwell and MVG. It's going to be interesting to see how often Hughes tries to squeeze Adam in there too - and there's maybe another face to arrive in this department too? All in all, he's going to be short of games if he's not at least primary Johnson back-up! Not sure where it leaves Bardsley - but I'd have thought it was in the stands and on the transfer list? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:30:18 GMT
He's surely 5th choice CB though? And Wilson is by far the better centre back, another fucked up decision if we let him go and keep Cameron..... The midfield to me looks scarily short at the moment. Across from the right to left wing. You'd have thought he was no higher than 5th choice CB. And hard to see him any higher than 4th in the pecking order for the 2 CM slots, behind Whelan, Sidwell and MVG. It's going to be interesting to see how often Hughes tries to squeeze Adam in there too - and there's maybe another face to arrive in this department too? All in all, he's going to be short of games if he's not at least primary Johnson back-up! Not sure where it leaves Bardsley - but I'd have thought it was in the stands and on the transfer list? It really is a strange situation we've got ourselves in. I would have thought as soon as Geoff signed a new deal, Bardsley was stuck on the transfer list. It was obvious we needed a right back because these pair aren't good enough and here we are with another one so it just makes sense. But who will want him? |
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Post by LphPotter on Jul 26, 2015 10:31:39 GMT
He won't leave he is back up RB.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:34:19 GMT
He won't leave he is back up RB. What does that make Cameron? |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 26, 2015 10:35:54 GMT
We need him as part of the squad. He's a solid Premier League player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:36:52 GMT
We need him as part of the squad. He's a solid Premier League player. He's third choice right back, we don't need him at all! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 10:42:50 GMT
I'd be very surprised if we weren't looking to move on him. Can clubs like us afford to be paying £1.5m-a-year to a 3rd choice RB who'll only play if there's an injury crisis?
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Post by takeshikovacs on Jul 26, 2015 10:43:25 GMT
Geoff is one of the fittest players at the club. Many are fragile. Therefore, he's important, as he's also flexible as to where he can play. Has had a decent pre-season too. KEEP.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:45:17 GMT
Geoff is one of the fittest players at the club. Many are fragile. Therefore, he's important, as he's also flexible as to where he can play. Has had a decent pre-season too. KEEP. Sadly there's no way Geoff is leaving. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 10:45:50 GMT
I was really happy when we signed him Bardsley - hes been disappointing if truthful and is capable of so much more. For Instance he used to regularly get 4 -5 goals a season from fullback - last season ====zilch
and defending isolated on the back post was shocking - but surely, you can coach improvement in that instance
If I were him, I would be trying harder - much harder !
And I cannot believe the number of Stoke City fans who clearly fail to see what GCam brings us
world class defender cum defensive midfielder (rated by Klinnnsamn no less) rarely played in his proper position for Stoke
and who gets slated - for 'doing a job'
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:50:42 GMT
I was really happy when we signed him Bardsley - hes been disappointing if truthful and is capable of so much more. For Instance he used to regularly get 4 -5 goals a season from fullback - last season ====zilch and defending isolated on the back post was shocking - but surely, you can coach improvement in that instance If I were him, I would be trying harder - much harder ! And I cannot believe the number of Stoke City fans who clearly fail to see what GCam brings us world class defender cum defensive midfielder (rated by Klinnnsamn no less) rarely played in his proper position for Stoke and who gets slated - for 'doing a job' Lots of goals conceded and big gaps where he's meant to be?  We have 3 dreadful right backs though. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 10:54:22 GMT
I was really happy when we signed him Bardsley - hes been disappointing if truthful and is capable of so much more. For Instance he used to regularly get 4 -5 goals a season from fullback - last season ====zilch and defending isolated on the back post was shocking - but surely, you can coach improvement in that instance If I were him, I would be trying harder - much harder ! And I cannot believe the number of Stoke City fans who clearly fail to see what GCam brings us world class defender cum defensive midfielder (rated by Klinnnsamn no less) rarely played in his proper position for Stoke and who gets slated - for 'doing a job' Lots of goals conceded and big gaps where he's meant to be? We have 3 dreadful right backs though. Has he not played the majority of each season where we have finished in the top 10? He wouldn't be my first choice at all, but he does a job. Your criticism of Cameron is way over the top. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 26, 2015 10:56:40 GMT
Bad signing really not improved the position which is why Johnson came in , he may go on loan to the championship this season
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 26, 2015 10:58:14 GMT
Horrendous signing.
A blot on the signings copybook for MLH for me.
Needs shifting ASAP.
Loan if unable to sell, apart from wages (a Championship loan would subsidise them as much as possible), he's taking valuable space in the 25 ( I assume).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 10:59:32 GMT
Lots of goals conceded and big gaps where he's meant to be? We have 3 dreadful right backs though. Has he not played the majority of each season where we have finished in the top 10? He wouldn't be my first choice at all, but he does a job. Your criticism of Cameron is way over the top. So have Wilson and Walters, I'd still rather watch paint dry than them trying to play football. Cameron is far worse than them pair though. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:02:52 GMT
Has he not played the majority of each season where we have finished in the top 10? He wouldn't be my first choice at all, but he does a job. Your criticism of Cameron is way over the top. So have Wilson and Walters, I'd still rather watch paint dry than them trying to play football. Cameron is far worse than them pair though. I would say Cameron and Wilson on a level par personally with geoff slighty edging it maybe. We aren't going to have a team full of superstars that every fan wants are we... There's always going to be weaker areas. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:06:31 GMT
So have Wilson and Walters, I'd still rather watch paint dry than them trying to play football. Cameron is far worse than them pair though. I would say Cameron and Wilson on a level par personally with geoff slighty edging it maybe. We aren't going to have a team full of superstars that every fan wants are we... There's always going to be weaker areas. Wilson is the better full back and much better centre back and Cameron the much better central midfielder for me. We don't need both. |
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Post by LphPotter on Jul 26, 2015 11:07:10 GMT
He won't leave he is back up RB. What does that make Cameron? Back up cb and cm i think, this is what pre season makes me think anyway Cameron has played CB in most games and CM in the other, not once RB. |
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