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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:10:15 GMT
What does that make Cameron? Back up cb and cm i think, this is what pre season makes me think anyway Cameron has played CB in most games and CM in the other, not once RB. He has but surely when we're settled down and not experimenting he's behind Ryan, Muni, Wolly and Wilson for CB and then Whelan, MVG, Sidwell and Adam for CM? If he isn't especially for the centre backs then why sign Wolly? And it's fucking madness because Wilson is much better than him. For midfield I can see him sneaking in but if he does it says a lot about how weak we are in there.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 26, 2015 11:11:08 GMT
He's staying. Hughes is building a squad, not just a first eleven.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:14:08 GMT
He's staying. Hughes is building a squad, not just a first eleven. A squad with 3 front line right backs is an unbalanced and wasteful squad.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 11:14:19 GMT
He's staying. Hughes is building a squad, not just a first eleven. Having someone on his £££ as 3rd choice seems like too much - even when you view it in that context though, Claus? Realistically, where do you think Cameron stands in the pecking order for the centre-back and the 2 CM positions? Can't see him getting the games to justify the new contract unless he is at least 2nd choice RB - which leaves Bardsley regularly not making the 18?
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:15:50 GMT
I would say Cameron and Wilson on a level par personally with geoff slighty edging it maybe. We aren't going to have a team full of superstars that every fan wants are we... There's always going to be weaker areas. Wilson is the better full back and much better centre back and Cameron the much better central midfielder for me. We don't need both. Agreed there isn't much in it, although I rate geoff higher at centre half... I'd be interested to know what you're starting eleven would be if we could get players in that you liked, and be realistic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:17:54 GMT
Wilson is the better full back and much better centre back and Cameron the much better central midfielder for me. We don't need both. Agreed there isn't much in it, although I rate geoff higher at centre half... I'd be interested to know what you're starting eleven would be if we could get players in that you liked, and be realistic. I'd have been happy with signing only Soares and Moses at the start of the window. With Fonzy going, add Dembele to that and you have a beasty side. Keep Huth and you've improved the bench for centre backs. This window has been pretty shite so far.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:18:59 GMT
Agreed there isn't much in it, although I rate geoff higher at centre half... I'd be interested to know what you're starting eleven would be if we could get players in that you liked, and be realistic. I'd have been happy with signing only Soares and Moses at the start of the window. With Fonzy going, add Dembele to that and you have a beasty side. Keep Huth and you've improved the bench for centre backs. This window has been pretty shite so far. We have lost 3 big players... No doubt. Who would you of played on the right side then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:22:00 GMT
I'd have been happy with signing only Soares and Moses at the start of the window. With Fonzy going, add Dembele to that and you have a beasty side. Keep Huth and you've improved the bench for centre backs. This window has been pretty shite so far. We have lost 3 big players... No doubt. Who would you of played on the right side then? Moses. And it's not just the players lost, the players bought in bar Johnson (who I fucking hate) wreak of squad players. Which for Given is fine, that's what we need. But as things stand the squad is weaker than it was and the first team is way weaker. A big month is in store for the transfer team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:22:36 GMT
Some real dogshit being talked here right now, About Cameron
I can sympathise somewhat with Bayerns view of the window in terms of in and outs though
but there's plenty of time -and many of you fail to factor in the youngsters we now got - some are getting very good
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 11:26:27 GMT
We have lost 3 big players... No doubt. Who would you of played on the right side then? Moses. And it's not just the players lost, the players bought in bar Johnson (who I fucking hate) wreak of squad players. Which for Given is fine, that's what we need. But as things stand the squad is weaker than it was and the first team is way weaker. A big month is in store for the transfer team. Depends what he sees MVG as. I'm finding it a bit hard to really get a handle on what we should realistically be expecting from him? Does Hughes think he's done the job and replaced Zonz like for like there - or is there another big midfield move to come? It's obvious the big money move is going to come with a right winger though
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:26:30 GMT
Some real dogshit being talked here right now, About Cameron I can sympathise somewhat with Bayerns view of the window in terms of in and outs though but there's plenty of time -and many of you fail to factor in the youngsters we now got - some are getting very good This will be the second we've tried to replace Cameron, not bad for someone who is so good! And it's only failed before because the manager signed a player who has always been wank (Bardsley). I've seen the youngsters play, they aren't ready and certainly not in the positions we need.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:27:57 GMT
Moses. And it's not just the players lost, the players bought in bar Johnson (who I fucking hate) wreak of squad players. Which for Given is fine, that's what we need. But as things stand the squad is weaker than it was and the first team is way weaker. A big month is in store for the transfer team. Depends what he sees MVG as. I'm finding it a bit hard to really get a handle on what we should realistically be expecting from him? Does Hughes think he's done the job and replaced Zonz like for like there - or is there another big midfield move to come? It's obvious the big money move is going to come with a right winger though I think MVG will start, I was talking from my perspective, I'm just massively underwhelmed wanting summer to last a bit longer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:35:30 GMT
I would concede maybe its not more players but better --yes
see my thread about signing the stars for big money, theres incremental improvement needed at the back by perhaps losing some players and replacing with Better
I would agree we need to improve on the likes of Bardsley and Wilson - but Cameron --- no way --- just dont get that one - look at the world cup,
and mor recent perofrmances of rhte Us National side +some games last season e.g. when he came on against Swansea at home in his proper defensive midfield role -
where we were struggling - he single handedly bottled up a midfield that was opening out for them - and won the game for us
people seem to forget such performances
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:38:33 GMT
I would concede maybe its not more players but better --yes see my thread about signing the stars for big money, theres incremental improvement needed at the back by perhaps losing some players and replacing with Better I would agree we need to improve on the likes of Bardsley and Wilson - but Cameron --- no way --- just dont get that one - look at the world cup, some games last season e.g. when he came on against Swansea at home in his proper defensive midfield role - where we were struggling - he single handedly bottled up a midfield that was opening out for them - and won the game for us people seem to forget such performances I watched the World Cup, he got dropped and was awful. He's been in and mainly out of the American side since. I agree he's a midfielder but I wouldn't have him starting there over Whelan or Sidwell. It was one game, if he's the best we've got for the midfield, we're screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:38:49 GMT
We need to improve defensively. No doubt about it.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:40:24 GMT
We have lost 3 big players... No doubt. Who would you of played on the right side then? Moses. And it's not just the players lost, the players bought in bar Johnson (who I fucking hate) wreak of squad players. Which for Given is fine, that's what we need. But as things stand the squad is weaker than it was and the first team is way weaker. A big month is in store for the transfer team. I agree with that, I'd still like at least 2 or 3 I don't see it though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:43:09 GMT
Moses. And it's not just the players lost, the players bought in bar Johnson (who I fucking hate) wreak of squad players. Which for Given is fine, that's what we need. But as things stand the squad is weaker than it was and the first team is way weaker. A big month is in store for the transfer team. I agree with that, I'd still like at least 2 or 3 I don't see it though. I'd like three but I can see two wingers and that's about it. With Walters going to West Brom, which is another fuck up imo, we should have released Wingie. A right winger, sub winger and a ready made Fonzy replacement would be lovely. I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 26, 2015 11:44:15 GMT
Yeah I wouldn't say it has been a fantastic window by any stretch of the imagination.
There is still time, however I don't think we will be doing any major business until the end of the window and I think it will just be a RW.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 26, 2015 11:45:02 GMT
I agree with that, I'd still like at least 2 or 3 I don't see it though. I'd like three but I can see two wingers and that's about it. With Walters going to West Brom, which is another fuck up imo, we should have released Wingie. A right winger, sub winger and a ready made Fonzy replacement would be lovely. I'm not holding my breath. You know something we don't Bayern?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:46:32 GMT
I'd like three but I can see two wingers and that's about it. With Walters going to West Brom, which is another fuck up imo, we should have released Wingie. A right winger, sub winger and a ready made Fonzy replacement would be lovely. I'm not holding my breath. You know something we don't Bayern? It's safe to say I know nothing. Just a hunch. And if we do get a starting right winger and a back up winger then there's no room for one of Crouch, Walters or Wingie. Walters of that lot looks the most likely to leave to me.
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Post by march4 on Jul 26, 2015 11:48:47 GMT
It will be interesting to see how the season pans out for Wilson, Cameron, Wolly and Bardsley . However, it is important we have 2 players for every position and these 4 would make an alternative back 4 if needs be.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:50:31 GMT
I agree with that, I'd still like at least 2 or 3 I don't see it though. I'd like three but I can see two wingers and that's about it. With Walters going to West Brom, which is another fuck up imo, we should have released Wingie. A right winger, sub winger and a ready made Fonzy replacement would be lovely. I'm not holding my breath. Yeah I wouldn't like to lose Walters, Wingie is going to take some time it seems, is like Dembele I think I can forget that one!
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2015 11:53:33 GMT
One positive with Bardsley is that he can play left back (as can Johnson and Wilson.) which given Pieters and Muniesas injury record might come in handy. However if we get an offer be amazed if we turned it down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 11:53:54 GMT
I'd like three but I can see two wingers and that's about it. With Walters going to West Brom, which is another fuck up imo, we should have released Wingie. A right winger, sub winger and a ready made Fonzy replacement would be lovely. I'm not holding my breath. Yeah I wouldn't like to lose Walters, Wingie is going to take some time it seems, is like Dembele I think I can forget that one! I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him.
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Post by march4 on Jul 26, 2015 11:55:29 GMT
Yeah I wouldn't like to lose Walters, Wingie is going to take some time it seems, is like Dembele I think I can forget that one! I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him. Losing SJW would be a bigger blow than losing N'Zonzi and Bego combined.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 11:56:17 GMT
Yeah I wouldn't like to lose Walters, Wingie is going to take some time it seems, is like Dembele I think I can forget that one! I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him. The Walters contract non-signing's rumbling on a bit, isn't it? His 'frustration' comments were 6-7 weeks ago. Mind you, we haven't heard a peep about Wilson either - and everyone else has been sorted, which would suggest there's not a meeting of minds
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:56:54 GMT
Yeah I wouldn't like to lose Walters, Wingie is going to take some time it seems, is like Dembele I think I can forget that one! I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him. I think we will see the same team we have now on the opening day of I'm honest.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 11:58:14 GMT
I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him. The Walters contract non-signing's rumbling on a bit, isn't it? His 'frustration' comments were 6-7 weeks ago. Mind you, we haven't heard a peep about Wilson either - and everyone else has been sorted. I would start looking at the likes of Muni and Arnie next also, even though they have 2 years left, you don't want to be leaving it until the last year.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 12:06:58 GMT
The Walters contract non-signing's rumbling on a bit, isn't it? His 'frustration' comments were 6-7 weeks ago. Mind you, we haven't heard a peep about Wilson either - and everyone else has been sorted. I would start looking at the likes of Muni and Arnie next also, even though they have 2 years left, you don't want to be leaving it until the last year. Yeah - Muniesa and Arnie are the 2017 expirees that it'd make sense to try and get in early and do something with. Pieters maybe too - although solid as he is, we could probably afford to wait on that one. But it's unusual for Premier League players to get to this point in their final year, like Walters and Wilson, with nothing sorted. Which does indicate that maybe both sides are having some doubts about whether they can offer each other what they want going forward? You'd think TP is watching on in both cases!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 12:11:32 GMT
I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him. The Walters contract non-signing's rumbling on a bit, isn't it? His 'frustration' comments were 6-7 weeks ago. Mind you, we haven't heard a peep about Wilson either - and everyone else has been sorted, which would suggest there's not a meeting of minds I think both will go now or definitely when their contracts expire. Keeping Cameron over Wilson would be just madness. As is keeping both.... He can't win!
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