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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 12:12:57 GMT
I wouldn't be bothered if we lost Walters tbh but I think he'll be of more use in the year than Wingie and the million or two we'd get for him. I think we will see the same team we have now on the opening day of I'm honest. And me, that worries me....
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Post by PB1863 on Jul 26, 2015 12:15:17 GMT
Has Cameron ever had a run of games at CB for Stoke ? He looked useful against Everton in Singapore
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Post by Gods on Jul 26, 2015 12:16:52 GMT
Suppose it'll only emerge in time, but I'd assumed Johnson's arrival meant he'd be off as Cameron doesn't seem close enough to CB or CM to hand a 3-year contract to as some vague utility cover. Cameron seemed to see him off in Hughes' mind in about March time. Wilson is handy enough RB cover for a third stringer (although his future has got to be similarly up in the air until there's movement on his new deal) Bardsley must be sitting on about 30k-a-year until 2017 though, so he's going to be a bugger to shift.
This is the point which makes this discussion practically speaking irrelevant. It means there is no market place for Phil Bardlsey, not even an option to give him away. We are some how going to have to tease this one through to 2017.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 26, 2015 12:17:09 GMT
I would start looking at the likes of Muni and Arnie next also, even though they have 2 years left, you don't want to be leaving it until the last year. Yeah - Muniesa and Arnie are the 2017 expirees that it'd make sense to try and get in early and do something with. Pieters maybe too - although solid as he is, we could probably afford to wait on that one. But it's unusual for Premier League players to get to this point in their final year, like Walters and Wilson, with nothing sorted. Which does indicate that maybe both sides are having some doubts about whether they can offer each other what they want going forward? You'd think TP is watching on in both cases! I suppose it's not always to agree FM with each side maybe wanting different things, depends what each parts wants I guess. I think TP would take both.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 26, 2015 12:18:55 GMT
Bayern, forget Stoke, I'm beginning to worry about YOU. You need to take a break, at least for some sleep, but preferably a week away from the internet. You're going to do yourself some psychological harm if you don't take a break soon. You don't want to end up like Mumf.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 26, 2015 12:23:21 GMT
Bayern, forget Stoke, I'm beginning to worry about YOU. You need to take a break, at least for some sleep, but preferably a week away from the internet. You're going to do yourself some psychological harm if you don't take a break soon. You don't want to end up like Mumf. His only hope
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 26, 2015 12:25:00 GMT
It will be interesting as the season unfolds, how Bardsley and Cameron are used. I would rate Johnson as first choice right back with Bards second but completely understand that others put Cameron second. No doubt we will see what Hughes thinks. I would too but we don't need 3 frontline right backs, which is what they are. So the way I see it is that either Bardsley has to go (due to the strange decision to give Cameron a contract) or he's got plans for Cameron elsewhere, which is scary in itself! Bayern mate this is gonna be a long slog for you this season if you are wetting your knickers worried about Geoff. Trust in Les, mate. He rates our full international and that should be enough for you.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 26, 2015 12:27:51 GMT
He's staying. Hughes is building a squad, not just a first eleven. Having someone on his £££ as 3rd choice seems like too much - even when you view it in that context though, Claus? Realistically, where do you think Cameron stands in the pecking order for the centre-back and the 2 CM positions? Can't see him getting the games to justify the new contract unless he is at least 2nd choice RB - which leaves Bardsley regularly not making the 18? At centerbacks it obvious that Ryan is heads above any one else we have at our disposal. I don't understand the signing of Wollscheid, Wilson makes way to many sloppy mistakes and despite of the Muni-hype on here, I don't see him as a Premier League central defender. Geoff is just as good a bet to partner Ryan as any of the others. I think he'll be considdered as an alternative/supplement to Whelan as well (can't see who else we've got?) as the defensive midfielder, and that is probably both his strength and weakness; versatility. He'll be in most of our 18 man squads, but he probably won't be starting more than half of them. But remember how worried we were during last season, when our defenders were droppin like flies? Hughes will hang on to Bardsley for cover for at least one more season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 12:33:27 GMT
I would too but we don't need 3 frontline right backs, which is what they are. So the way I see it is that either Bardsley has to go (due to the strange decision to give Cameron a contract) or he's got plans for Cameron elsewhere, which is scary in itself! Bayern mate this is gonna be a long slog for you this season if you are wetting your knickers worried about Geoff. Trust in Les, mate. He rates our full international and that should be enough for you. It's pretty clear I don't....... And that full international can't even get into a poor American side at the moment! And that was even before this "being rested" nonsense, he was out of favour.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 12:43:03 GMT
Having someone on his £££ as 3rd choice seems like too much - even when you view it in that context though, Claus? Realistically, where do you think Cameron stands in the pecking order for the centre-back and the 2 CM positions? Can't see him getting the games to justify the new contract unless he is at least 2nd choice RB - which leaves Bardsley regularly not making the 18? At centerbacks it obvious that Ryan is heads above any one else we have at our disposal. I don't understand the signing of Wollscheid, Wilson makes way to many sloppy mistakes and despite of the Muni-hype on here, I don't see him as a Premier League central defender. Geoff is just as good a bet to partner Ryan as any of the others. I think he'll be considdered as an alternative/supplement to Whelan as well (can't see who else we've got?) as the defensive midfielder, and that is probably both his strength and weakness; versatility. He'll be in most of our 18 man squads, but he probably won't be starting more than half of them. But remember how worried we were during last season, when our defenders were droppin like flies? Hughes will hang on to Bardsley for cover for at least one more season. Pulisesqe wastage.
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 26, 2015 13:00:05 GMT
Bayern mate this is gonna be a long slog for you this season if you are wetting your knickers worried about Geoff. Trust in Les, mate. He rates our full international and that should be enough for you. It's pretty clear I don't....... And that full international can't even get into a poor American side at the moment! And that was even before this "being rested" nonsense, he was out of favour. Not true, save your agenda for the Pulis threads! Cameron was not out of favor for the USA, the lad needed a serious rest to set the conditions for a big Prem season in the center of the park.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jul 26, 2015 16:25:08 GMT
He's staying. Hughes is building a squad, not just a first eleven. A squad with 3 front line right backs is an unbalanced and wasteful squad. Cameron is not a front line full back, he has done on the whole a reasonable job there, and has someone has already stated your criticism of him is over the top, and getting tedious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 16:28:03 GMT
From what bit I've seen of Geoff in the friendly matches, he's looked pretty good to me. Looks up for it!
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 26, 2015 16:30:55 GMT
Cameron hasn't played any of pre season at right back. In my opinion he will be competing with Whelan in midfield (1), back up centre back (2) and 3rd choice right back (3).
But I know the answer I'm going to get, obviously he isn't good enough for any of those positions. Yawn.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 26, 2015 16:38:58 GMT
Suppose it'll only emerge in time, but I'd assumed Johnson's arrival meant he'd be off as Cameron doesn't seem close enough to CB or CM to hand a 3-year contract to as some vague utility cover. Cameron seemed to see him off in Hughes' mind in about March time. Wilson is handy enough RB cover for a third stringer (although his future has got to be similarly up in the air until there's movement on his new deal) Bardsley must be sitting on about 30k-a-year until 2017 though, so he's going to be a bugger to shift.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 26, 2015 16:42:01 GMT
Suppose it'll only emerge in time, but I'd assumed Johnson's arrival meant he'd be off as Cameron doesn't seem close enough to CB or CM to hand a 3-year contract to as some vague utility cover. Cameron seemed to see him off in Hughes' mind in about March time. Wilson is handy enough RB cover for a third stringer (although his future has got to be similarly up in the air until there's movement on his new deal) Bardsley must be sitting on about 30k-a-year until 2017 though, so he's going to be a bugger to shift. week then.... As a Bosman, I'm guessing that's definitely the ballpark. He was on 31k-a-week at S'land
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Post by StokeAz on Jul 26, 2015 16:49:17 GMT
I said a while back that he was rubbish but when he played people fsr thought he did alright, now he's stopped playing he's rubbish? Make your Mind up people like I did a while back... Does that mean I was ITK back then because I knew all along he was rubbish?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 17:13:18 GMT
It's pretty clear I don't....... And that full international can't even get into a poor American side at the moment! And that was even before this "being rested" nonsense, he was out of favour. Not true, save your agenda for the Pulis threads! Cameron was not out of favor for the USA, the lad needed a serious rest to set the conditions for a big Prem season in the center of the park. He was dropped well before the Gold Cup!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 17:14:42 GMT
A squad with 3 front line right backs is an unbalanced and wasteful squad. Cameron is not a front line full back, he has done on the whole a reasonable job there, and has someone has already stated your criticism of him is over the top, and getting tedious. He has been the past three seasons and neither manager has even really considered as anything but..... It ain't going to stop, so
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jul 26, 2015 18:03:46 GMT
Cameron is not a front line full back, he has done on the whole a reasonable job there, and has someone has already stated your criticism of him is over the top, and getting tedious. He has been the past three seasons and neither manager has even really considered as anything but..... It ain't going to stop, so Not even with the signing of Johnson?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 18:06:58 GMT
He has been the past three seasons and neither manager has even really considered as anything but..... It ain't going to stop, so Not even with the signing of Johnson? There isn't a footballer in the past 10 years that I have given more abuse to than Glen Johnson. I think Geoff will end the season at right back.....
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jul 26, 2015 18:18:38 GMT
Not even with the signing of Johnson? There isn't a footballer in the past 10 years that I have given more abuse to than Glen Johnson. I think Geoff will end the season at right back..... I'm no fan of Johnson either,but surely the fact that you are implying that Geoff is a better right back than someone who was an England regular not to long ago, rather defeats your argument about Cameron.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 18:21:25 GMT
There isn't a footballer in the past 10 years that I have given more abuse to than Glen Johnson. I think Geoff will end the season at right back..... I'm no fan of Johnson either,but surely the fact that you are implying that Geoff is a better right back than someone who was an England regular not to long ago, rather defeats your argument about Cameron. In what way? I think the England team are a load of old shit and he's one of the worst of the bunch and is a massive part of 10/12 years of underachievement and disappointment at an international level. The disdain I hold for Johnson is immeasurable!
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 26, 2015 18:28:37 GMT
A squad with 3 front line right backs is an unbalanced and wasteful squad. Cameron is not a front line full back, he has done on the whole a reasonable job there, and has someone has already stated your criticism of him is over the top, and getting tedious. Exactly, Huth was pretty shit there too
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 26, 2015 18:32:51 GMT
I'm no fan of Johnson either,but surely the fact that you are implying that Geoff is a better right back than someone who was an England regular not to long ago, rather defeats your argument about Cameron. In what way? I think the England team are a load of old shit and he's one of the worst of the bunch and is a massive part of 10/12 years of underachievement and disappointment at an international level. The disdain I hold for Johnson is immeasurable! Well let's hope that in a few weeks time you will have changed your opinion about him.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 26, 2015 18:35:53 GMT
I said a while back that he was rubbish but when he played people fsr thought he did alright, now he's stopped playing he's rubbish? Make your Mind up people like I did a while back... Does that mean I was ITK back then because I knew all along he was rubbish? He is so rubbish he earns £30,000 a week? Let's have a bit of context here Ffs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 18:45:31 GMT
In what way? I think the England team are a load of old shit and he's one of the worst of the bunch and is a massive part of 10/12 years of underachievement and disappointment at an international level. The disdain I hold for Johnson is immeasurable! Well let's hope that in a few weeks time you will have changed your opinion about him. He's going to need 6 months of not putting a foot wrong, I'm not even going to paper over this one. I just can't get rid of it, it's going to be long and hard because it's really deep seated.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jul 26, 2015 19:14:16 GMT
Well let's hope that in a few weeks time you will have changed your opinion about him. He's going to need 6 months of not putting a foot wrong, I'm not even going to paper over this one. I just can't get rid of it, it's going to be long and hard because it's really deep seated. You are going OTT again,I have ready stated I am not a great fan, but I think people like Ericsson, Capello ,Benitez , Hodgson and Mark Hughes may know a little more than me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2015 19:19:48 GMT
He's going to need 6 months of not putting a foot wrong, I'm not even going to paper over this one. I just can't get rid of it, it's going to be long and hard because it's really deep seated. You are going OTT again,I have ready stated I am not a great fan, but I think people like Ericsson, Capello ,Benitez , Hodgson and Mark Hughes may know a little more than me. I don't care what they think. I just think he's an awful footballer and getting England caps means nowt (we know this better than any set of fans). I wouldn't want Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Foster, Green, Jagielka, Chambers, Mason, Downing and Shelvey at Stoke either!
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 26, 2015 19:25:39 GMT
I must be the only one who fails to see where Cameron is so bad? It's a myth.
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