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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 8, 2015 16:52:02 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 8, 2015 16:52:44 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 8, 2015 17:16:29 GMT
When we settled last years spat with N'Zonzi he should have been given a 4 year contract. He would be worth £20m now! £7m is pathetic Tony Scholes![/quote And how do you know the club didn't want to discuss a new contract at that point and Nzonzi said he wasn't interested? £20 million. That's pretty much based on one performance against Liverpool.
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Post by feynmann2 on Jul 8, 2015 17:18:27 GMT
While its not time to declare this window a shambles its actually the quality of the signings we seem to be aiming for now that bother me more than the expected losses - Glen Johnson & Shay Given do not move us forward
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 8, 2015 17:19:41 GMT
Christ - how did you fuckers cope under Pulis? Or did you find it easier to cope with his transfer policy of only chasing the same 5 players every year and only doing business at 10:55 on the 31st August? I for one was a massive critic of our dealings under Pulis and remain so. Pity some others aren't as erm, consistent. A massive critic of the back room staff dealings or Pulis's part in them?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 8, 2015 17:20:06 GMT
To repeat what I have said before but clearly some don't agree.
A player or anything else for that matter is worth what someone else will pay for it. No more no less.
Also if a player absolutely does not wish to sign for us no amount of expert persuading will make him do so.
The only way to find out whether someone is willing to sign for us on terms we are willing to pay is to ask and make an offer
Foretunately Hughes has been around long enough to understand this so he won't be going anywhere yet. He clearly has been given enough money to make offers which meeet the required terms but the players have preferred to go elsewhere.
Eight days in it isn't a problem, the time to moan would be if the window closes and we haven't strengthened the team. Not going to happen.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 8, 2015 17:21:06 GMT
While its not time to declare this window a shambles its actually the quality of the signings we seem to be aiming for now that bother me more than the expected losses - Glen Johnson & Shay Given do not move us forward Johnson would be an upgrade attacking wise at RB. Not sure defensively. Given as an experienced backup keeper is exactly what we need.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 8, 2015 17:24:29 GMT
While its not time to declare this window a shambles its actually the quality of the signings we seem to be aiming for now that bother me more than the expected losses - Glen Johnson & Shay Given do not move us forward Johnson would be an upgrade attacking wise at RB. Not sure defensively. Given as an experienced backup keeper is exactly what we need. Yep
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Post by lancer on Jul 8, 2015 17:26:25 GMT
Thus far this window has been an utter shambles, this after Hughes was promised money is available to sign the next level player. The prospect of losing begovic, nzonzi and Moses ( 3 of our best players from last season) has left us in the position in which we will have to find suitable replacements for those players just to be on PAR to last season . Just on par, not improving. So whilst we face the prospect of having a worse team then last year , our rivals ( west ham, swansea, even palace, Newcastle and sunderland are in the process of making big signings) are actually IMPROVING theirs. After spending next to nothing in 4 windows we should've been in the position to make 3-4 10mill +signings , but instead We're now being linked with free transfers like Glen fucking Johnson. Thus far it seems money is only available to make 1 big signing (shaq).Do people really think that there is a war chest of Funds available, or are we penny pinching again ? We have now a month until the season starts, so the pizza boys and coats better get their asrses into gear. Make no mistake, we now need 5 top class signings to improve of last season True, West Ham, Palace, Sunderland and Newcastle are making signings and improving, but as they were all much less effective than us last season that does not make them better teams that US this season, just better teams than THEY were. We still have loads of time to bring in players to improve us too, and I firmly believe we will. Granted losing N'Zonzi and Bego will weaken US, but they weren't the only difference in us and the teams you mention last time around. Nil desperandum!.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 8, 2015 17:27:58 GMT
If it's true regarding Given/Johnson it shows our future intent. At no point have I believed the hype around regarding Kono & Shaqri, complete and utter bull. So yes up to now it's been a complete and utter shambles taking into consideration we haven't exactly strengthened but lost two major players.. I can see Hughes doing one at this rate. We've strengthened up front and at the back, I'm guessing you're ignoring that?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 8, 2015 17:29:19 GMT
When we settled last years spat with N'Zonzi he should have been given a 4 year contract. He would be worth £20m now! £7m is pathetic Tony Scholes! £20 million, deluded.
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Post by werrington on Jul 8, 2015 17:30:28 GMT
Nzonzi 6m and Begovic 8m have to be ranked up there with the poorest pieces of businesses this football club has done since Dave Kitson and Dean Whitehead. I don't care if they have one year left of their contract, Cabaye is about to join up with Palace for 10m! Schneiderlein is rumoured to be subject of 20m bids from everywhere, and the most we can scrape together for our player of the season who is 3 years younger than Cabaye is 6m! Cabaye is also rumoured to be asking for 100k a week when he goes Palace, so I hope Coates and Hughes know what it is going to cost to replace him because without a replacement I really feel we will struggle. The Begovic transfer is equally as puzzling, 8m for a 28 year old reaching his peak, or 10.8m for a 33 year old who only has a few years left in him! So we ask for £12m each and don't get it ....what next ? Have 2 pissed off players and be £14m out of pocket when they are free agents next summer ? Do you not think if they had longer on their contracts like those players you mentioned we wouldn't be asking for similar fees ? Mind blowing
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Post by feynmann2 on Jul 8, 2015 17:31:39 GMT
While its not time to declare this window a shambles its actually the quality of the signings we seem to be aiming for now that bother me more than the expected losses - Glen Johnson & Shay Given do not move us forward Johnson would be an upgrade attacking wise at RB. Not sure defensively. Given as an experienced backup keeper is exactly what we need. As a club we should be looking to bring in players to push us into the top six THIS coming season, Glen Johnson is no better defensively than either of our current players and is likely to be playing behind someone who does not give them the cover we have currently (i.e. not Jon Walters)...if we are going to invest in Right Back we should be trying to find a 23-24 year old player who is on the verge of breaking through/is coming in from an 'inferior' league as this is one position I feel we could 'manage' with what have got if a new signing didn't work out...not someone on their way down like Johnson Shay Given will not challenge Butlandfor the number 1 spot and therefore wont help to keep his head in the game through knowing one mistake and his place is at risk...we should signing someone who believes they are better than Butland and needs a foot in the door to prove it... These are both signings we should consider only after we've run out of other options for me.
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Post by lancer on Jul 8, 2015 17:32:16 GMT
To me it has been poor so far also. They need to step this up. Money was promised to be spent and now with the Nzonzi sale Stoke are up by 2m so where is the money to be spent. Yes we bid 12m for shaqiri but we can't keep bidding for unrealistic targets and players who quite frankly don't have an interest in playing for Stoke Who do you suggest we try to sign to play for Stoke then? I could sign for Stoke, and would today, but I'm no bloody good, and a lot of those that would sign for us are no better than I am.I want Sparky and Co to go for players that we don't think will sign for us if they are good players, and players we want, after all, who thought Bojan would?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 8, 2015 17:42:10 GMT
I for one was a massive critic of our dealings under Pulis and remain so. Pity some others aren't as erm, consistent. A massive critic of the back room staff dealings or Pulis's part in them? Everyone's. We got some good signings, some great ones and some shockers but the way we do our business was amateurish and naïve then and remains amateurish and naïve now.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 8, 2015 17:44:48 GMT
Johnson would be an upgrade attacking wise at RB. Not sure defensively. Given as an experienced backup keeper is exactly what we need. As a club we should be looking to bring in players to push us into the top six THIS coming season, Glen Johnson is no better defensively than either of our current players and is likely to be playing behind someone who does not give them the cover we have currently (i.e. not Jon Walters)...if we are going to invest in Right Back we should be trying to find a 23-24 year old player who is on the verge of breaking through/is coming in from an 'inferior' league as this is one position I feel we could 'manage' with what have got if a new signing didn't work out...not someone on their way down like Johnson Shay Given will not challenge Butlandfor the number 1 spot and therefore wont help to keep his head in the game through knowing one mistake and his place is at risk...we should signing someone who believes they are better than Butland and needs a foot in the door to prove it... These are both signings we should consider only after we've run out of other options for me. We should be quite happy to have a top keeper - which Butland is/will be, and a safe understudy. It's exactly the same as Sorensen and Bego. We can't really afford to have two top keepers - else we have to economise elsewhere in the side (it's FFP). Of course we should be pushing on - but we just can't afford as a club to have the whole of the squad on first team starter wages.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 8, 2015 17:49:04 GMT
A massive critic of the back room staff dealings or Pulis's part in them? Everyone's. We got some good signings, some great ones and some shockers but the way we do our business was amateurish and naïve then and remains amateurish and naïve now. Yes I remember you being a stern critic of Pulis! You hate of the transfer team seems to blind you to what they actually do. How has what they've done this transfer window been "amateurish and naïve now"? They couldn't reasonably do anything about Nzonzi and Bego - they wanted off. The other signings we've tried to make are the next level up - not their fault if the players have better options.
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Post by feynmann2 on Jul 8, 2015 17:51:08 GMT
As a club we should be looking to bring in players to push us into the top six THIS coming season, Glen Johnson is no better defensively than either of our current players and is likely to be playing behind someone who does not give them the cover we have currently (i.e. not Jon Walters)...if we are going to invest in Right Back we should be trying to find a 23-24 year old player who is on the verge of breaking through/is coming in from an 'inferior' league as this is one position I feel we could 'manage' with what have got if a new signing didn't work out...not someone on their way down like Johnson Shay Given will not challenge Butlandfor the number 1 spot and therefore wont help to keep his head in the game through knowing one mistake and his place is at risk...we should signing someone who believes they are better than Butland and needs a foot in the door to prove it... These are both signings we should consider only after we've run out of other options for me. We should be quite happy to have a top keeper - which Butland is/will be, and a safe understudy. It's exactly the same as Sorensen and Bego. We can't really afford to have two top keepers - else we have to economise elsewhere in the side (it's FFP). Of course we should be pushing on - but we just can't afford as a club to have the whole of the squad on first team starter wages. Sorro was six years younger than Given when Bego was signed and was the first choice being pushed (and eventually replaced) by a young upstart who he then kept on his toes... same with Butland & Bego this year...we need someone to push Butland and I don't think they can afford to be young given that Butland is so inexperienced I agree ref the wages which is why I cannot understand the Johnson signing...unless we move Bardsley on of course - the money is better spent in replacing N'Zonzi & Begovic first and foremost then adding strength on the wings - I was also hoping for a Whelan upgrade but thats almost certainly a step too far now
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 17:55:16 GMT
To me it has been poor so far also. They need to step this up. Money was promised to be spent and now with the Nzonzi sale Stoke are up by 2m so where is the money to be spent. Yes we bid 12m for shaqiri but we can't keep bidding for unrealistic targets and players who quite frankly don't have an interest in playing for Stoke Who do you suggest we try to sign to play for Stoke then? I could sign for Stoke, and would today, but I'm no bloody good, and a lot of those that would sign for us are no better than I am.I want Sparky and Co to go for players that we don't think will sign for us if they are good players, and players we want, after all, who thought Bojan would? Dunna worry you will never win, bid for shite folk moan "not good enough" bid for stars " unrealistic deluded fools " that's how it works
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 8, 2015 18:01:29 GMT
Nzonzi 6m and Begovic 8m have to be ranked up there with the poorest pieces of businesses this football club has done since Dave Kitson and Dean Whitehead. I don't care if they have one year left of their contract, Cabaye is about to join up with Palace for 10m! Schneiderlein is rumoured to be subject of 20m bids from everywhere, and the most we can scrape together for our player of the season who is 3 years younger than Cabaye is 6m! Cabaye is also rumoured to be asking for 100k a week when he goes Palace, so I hope Coates and Hughes know what it is going to cost to replace him because without a replacement I really feel we will struggle. The Begovic transfer is equally as puzzling, 8m for a 28 year old reaching his peak, or 10.8m for a 33 year old who only has a few years left in him! So we ask for £12m each and don't get it ....what next ? Have 2 pissed off players and be £14m out of pocket when they are free agents next summer ? Do you not think if they had longer on their contracts like those players you mentioned we wouldn't be asking for similar fees ? Mind blowing Have we asked for 12 million? Because last I saw accepted a 7m bid from Leicester which set a relatively shit benchmark. Added to the fact that United are getting 30m+ for De Gea you don't think they might be pretty desperate to get a decent replacement? Also I'm certain that United paid 24m for Van Persie in the last year of his contract.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 8, 2015 18:03:29 GMT
Everyone's. We got some good signings, some great ones and some shockers but the way we do our business was amateurish and naïve then and remains amateurish and naïve now. Yes I remember you being a stern critic of Pulis! You hate of the transfer team seems to blind you to what they actually do. How has what they've done this transfer window been "amateurish and naïve now"? They couldn't reasonably do anything about Nzonzi and Bego - they wanted off. The other signings we've tried to make are the next level up - not their fault if the players have better options. Yeah I remember you and your lot being so patient and understanding of the tough marketplace under Pulis. Yes let's wait for those apples to drop you all said I've some history re-writes but this one's a bit special.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 8, 2015 18:04:22 GMT
All I can say to the negative posters is "Where's the magic wand?" that forces players like Bego and N'Zonzi to stay here and forces players like Moses, Kono, and Shaqiri to sign for us.
Nobody forced you to go and work for a company you didn't want to, or to stop you leaving for a better position.
Moses made it quite clear last season that he sees himself as a Chelsea player. Playing and living in Spain or Italy is clearly preferable to some people that playing in England. It isn't just a question of money. This country's top team Chelsea is ranked 5th in the world and our biggest club ManU ranked 17th. Being rich doesn't make you a good team as proven by the poor performances of our clubs in Europe.
I'm confident the Stoke management will make sound investments in players. They are shooting high and good luck to them. The real opportunities will come late in the transfer window when the likes of Chelsea, ManC, etc start disposing of who they don't need, having acquired their wants. Meanwhile Stoke should continue to pitch for the best players available that meet their needs. (Available includes prepared to move to Stoke.)
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Post by millsey on Jul 8, 2015 18:05:47 GMT
im not worried i trust mark hughes completely and with the money from nzonzi and bego we can bring in a back up keeper top midfielder dembele for me Roberto would be awesome but may be be hard get him ,rb and right winger and we good to go
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 8, 2015 18:07:41 GMT
All I can say to the negative posters is "Where's the magic wand?" that forces players like Bego and N'Zonzi to stay here and forces players like Moses, Kono, and Shaqiri to sign for us. Nobody forced you to go and work for a company you didn't want to, or to stop you leaving for a better position. Moses made it quite clear last season that he sees himself as a Chelsea player. Playing and living in Spain or Italy is clearly preferable to some people that playing in England. It isn't just a question of money. This country's top team Chelsea is ranked 5th in the world and our biggest club ManU ranked 17th. Being rich doesn't make you a good team as proven by the poor performances of our clubs in Europe. I'm confident the Stoke management will make sound investments in players. They are shooting high and good luck to them. The real opportunities will come late in the transfer window when the likes of Chelsea, ManC, etc start disposing of who they don't need, having acquired their wants. Meanwhile Stoke should continue to pitch for the best players available that meet their needs. (Available includes prepared to move to Stoke.) Very good post. The time to judge is the end of the window.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 8, 2015 18:11:52 GMT
Lots of time left yet, however, these are 2 big outgoings. It will be interesting too see who comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 18:16:54 GMT
Thus far this window has been an utter shambles, this after Hughes was promised money is available to sign the next level player. The prospect of losing begovic, nzonzi and Moses ( 3 of our best players from last season) has left us in the position in which we will have to find suitable replacements for those players just to be on PAR to last season . Just on par, not improving. So whilst we face the prospect of having a worse team then last year , our rivals ( west ham, swansea, even palace, Newcastle and sunderland are in the process of making big signings) are actually IMPROVING theirs. After spending next to nothing in 4 windows we should've been in the position to make 3-4 10mill +signings , but instead We're now being linked with free transfers like Glen fucking Johnson. Thus far it seems money is only available to make 1 big signing (shaq).Do people really think that there is a war chest of Funds available, or are we penny pinching again ? We have now a month until the season starts, so the pizza boys and coats better get their asrses into gear. Make no mistake, we now need 5 top class signings to improve of last season Get a bloody grip man. Jesus wept.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 18:19:49 GMT
We're losing Nzonzi and Begovic after years of keeping the family jewels. Begovic has already been replaced and Nzonzi will be replaced.
Stop being wet and man up. If those two lads don't want to be here then they know where the door is. It looks like they've found it.
Good for them. I hope the brown grass tastes nice.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 8, 2015 18:21:53 GMT
So we ask for £12m each and don't get it ....what next ? Have 2 pissed off players and be £14m out of pocket when they are free agents next summer ? Do you not think if they had longer on their contracts like those players you mentioned we wouldn't be asking for similar fees ? Mind blowing Have we asked for 12 million? Because last I saw accepted a 7m bid from Leicester which set a relatively shit benchmark. Added to the fact that United are getting 30m+ for De Gea you don't think they might be pretty desperate to get a decent replacement? Also I'm certain that United paid 24m for Van Persie in the last year of his contract. N,Zonzi is not in the same league of the Van Persie at the time of that transfer
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Post by millsey on Jul 8, 2015 18:22:25 GMT
we got no choice to sell with one year left on their contracts better to get money now, Southampton sold loads last year and brought in replacements so will mark hughes
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Post by liathroid on Jul 8, 2015 18:22:54 GMT
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