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Post by 2004 on Jul 6, 2015 21:31:38 GMT
Steve Simonsen
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:32:49 GMT
Christ, on what planet is Al Habsi a suitable back-up 'keeper? We've gone from Begovic backed up by Butland with Sorensen as 3rd choice, to potentially Butland, Al Habsi and Haugaard?
That cannot be the best that we can come up with surely? I'd take 4 off Spinks' list before I touched this clown.
Kusczak (sp?) has just gone to Birmingham, I'd have been happier with him too.
If Butland cracks a finger 3 games in, easily done, we're fucked if we think we can get away with 'any old keeper' on the cheap.
Southampton have got Forster, Davis and now Stekelenburg - that is a proper 'keeper set up.
Pizza boys take note.
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Post by hcstokey on Jul 6, 2015 21:34:26 GMT
The future of Samir Handanovic becomes cloudy and no longer colored Nerazzurri seemed like a short time ago , the Slovenian goalkeeper stopped at the moment the negotiations to renew with Inter , a company which is still tied to a season . According to reports gathered by EuropaCalcio.it the main reason that led back to the braking between the entourage of the player and the club Thohir in negotiations for the new contract is an offer of Stoke City for him , then the British as well as Shaqiri are forgetting the number one Inter . He waited for news in the coming hours .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:36:55 GMT
The future of Samir Handanovic becomes cloudy and no longer colored Nerazzurri seemed like a short time ago , the Slovenian goalkeeper stopped at the moment the negotiations to renew with Inter , a company which is still tied to a season . According to reports gathered by EuropaCalcio.it the main reason that led back to the braking between the entourage of the player and the club Thohir in negotiations for the new contract is an offer of Stoke City for him , then the British as well as Shaqiri are forgetting the number one Inter . He waited for news in the coming hours . United were linked with him a few weeks back. Would he really want to come here as our No2? Unless we're pushing the boat out for a new No1 which in turn will upset Butland, and we'll be back to square one.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 6, 2015 21:41:27 GMT
I'd like a keeper who would keep up our home grown quota if at all possible.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 6, 2015 21:41:31 GMT
Christ, on what planet is Al Habsi a suitable back-up 'keeper? We've gone from Begovic backed up by Butland with Sorensen as 3rd choice, to potentially Butland, Al Habsi and Haugaard? That cannot be the best that we can come up with surely? I'd take 4 off Spinks' list before I touched this clown. Kusczak (sp?) has just gone to Birmingham, I'd have been happier with him too. If Butland cracks a finger 3 games in, easily done, we're fucked if we think we can get away with 'any old keeper' on the cheap. Southampton have got Forster, Davis and now Stekelenburg - that is a proper 'keeper set up. Pizza boys take note. Davis and steklenberg are crap, as us al habsi. Ideally we need a good experienced no2 who won't be happy being no2 and who will subsequently push butland hard for the no1 position whilst being mature enough to know that the man in form keeps possession of the jersey.
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Post by Bombus on Jul 6, 2015 21:42:20 GMT
I'd have thought it'd have been Haugaard as backup with Bachmann (who I seem to remember is very highly rated) as the 3rd choice So between our three squad 'keepers, a maximum age of 23 and a total of six Premier League appearances? Absolute suicide. Suicide sure is the word, mate. Al-Habsi? Not that chuffed to hear us being linked with him to be honest. But, we do need a second keeper - a keeper good enough to keep Jack on his toes. I suppose Al-Habsi could be that player, but I'd much rather have someone like Heaton - who would propably jump at the chance if we came calling for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:45:22 GMT
Christ, on what planet is Al Habsi a suitable back-up 'keeper? We've gone from Begovic backed up by Butland with Sorensen as 3rd choice, to potentially Butland, Al Habsi and Haugaard? That cannot be the best that we can come up with surely? I'd take 4 off Spinks' list before I touched this clown. Kusczak (sp?) has just gone to Birmingham, I'd have been happier with him too. If Butland cracks a finger 3 games in, easily done, we're fucked if we think we can get away with 'any old keeper' on the cheap. Southampton have got Forster, Davis and now Stekelenburg - that is a proper 'keeper set up. Pizza boys take note. Davis and steklenberg are crap, as us al habsi. Ideally we need a good experienced no2 who won't be happy being no2 and who will subsequently push butland hard for the no1 position whilst being mature enough to know that the man in form keeps possession of the jersey. Davis is a solid enough second choice keeper, and Stekelenberg has 50+ caps for Holland until about 2-3 years ago so cannot be shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:48:02 GMT
So between our three squad 'keepers, a maximum age of 23 and a total of six Premier League appearances? Absolute suicide. Suicide sure is the word, mate. Al-Habsi? Not that chuffed to hear us being linked with him to be honest. But, we do need a second keeper - a keeper good enough to keep Jack on his toes. I suppose Al-Habsi could be that player, but I'd much rather have someone like Heaton - who would propably jump at the chance if we came calling for him. I just wonder if the club feel that a second choice keeper is just that, hence won't be looking to spend big on him. I'd take Heaton all day long but don't know what the fee would be. Marshall from Cardiff too, though he might want 1st team action with him being an international, even if that 1st team action is in the Championship playing for a club without a prayer of playing in the Premier League any time soon.
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Post by Bombus on Jul 6, 2015 21:48:10 GMT
I'd like a keeper who would keep up our home grown quota if at all possible. Agreed, Fornie. Tom Heaton of Burnley fits that bill. How's his experience though? In the past we've always had at least one goalkeeper with bucket loads of experience. Jack is still very young, as is Haugaard and Bachmann.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:50:26 GMT
If an experienced top flight keeper is what we're after, I think Dave "Dave" Beasant is looking for a move.
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Post by Bombus on Jul 6, 2015 22:01:47 GMT
Suicide sure is the word, mate. Al-Habsi? Not that chuffed to hear us being linked with him to be honest. But, we do need a second keeper - a keeper good enough to keep Jack on his toes. I suppose Al-Habsi could be that player, but I'd much rather have someone like Heaton - who would propably jump at the chance if we came calling for him. I just wonder if the club feel that a second choice keeper is just that, hence won't be looking to spend big on him. I'd take Heaton all day long but don't know what the fee would be. Marshall from Cardiff too, though he might want 1st team action with him being an international, even if that 1st team action is in the Championship playing for a club without a prayer of playing in the Premier League any time soon. Interesting point, mate - one which leaves me thinking. I think you are spot on regarding Marshall. He won't leave Cardiff for a seat on the bench (not even a Premier League-one) - there's just no way. What was the reason behind us signing Haugaard? Experience? None. To keep Jack on his toes? Maybe. I'm not writing the lad off, that is something I would never do. But, is he really going to fight for the spot as our first choice goalkeeper this season playing Premier League football week in-week out? I suppose he'll do his utmost to make just that happen but I can't see that actually happening? Is he a player for the future? Probably. But we've got Jack, we've got Bachmann. It's an interesting one.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 6, 2015 22:11:19 GMT
Davis is indeed shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:12:38 GMT
I just wonder if the club feel that a second choice keeper is just that, hence won't be looking to spend big on him. I'd take Heaton all day long but don't know what the fee would be. Marshall from Cardiff too, though he might want 1st team action with him being an international, even if that 1st team action is in the Championship playing for a club without a prayer of playing in the Premier League any time soon. Interesting point, mate - one which leaves me thinking. I think you are spot on regarding Marshall. He won't leave Cardiff for a seat on the bench (not even a Premier League-one) - there's just no way. What was the reason behind us signing Haugaard? Experience? None. To keep Jack on his toes? Maybe. I'm not writing the lad off, that is something I would never do. But, is he really going to fight for the spot as our first choice goalkeeper this season playing Premier League football week in-week out? I suppose he'll do his utmost to make just that happen but I can't see that actually happening? Is he a player for the future? Probably. But we've got Jack, we've got Bachmann. It's an interesting one. Haugaard is, I think seeing this as an opportunity to develop. If in 3-4 years time he's pushing for 1st team action then great - but it'll take something extra special, I think, if he's going to give the manager a goalkeeping headache. There are proven 'keepers out there, out of contract - or ones who would be willing to step up to a place on the bench at Stoke. We just need to secure the best we can get. Some keepers are dodgy by reputation - I'd put Al Habsi in that bracket. And Bogdan for that matter. Whatever happened to that highly rated young one at Huddersfield from a while back?
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Post by Bombus on Jul 6, 2015 22:16:06 GMT
Interesting point, mate - one which leaves me thinking. I think you are spot on regarding Marshall. He won't leave Cardiff for a seat on the bench (not even a Premier League-one) - there's just no way. What was the reason behind us signing Haugaard? Experience? None. To keep Jack on his toes? Maybe. I'm not writing the lad off, that is something I would never do. But, is he really going to fight for the spot as our first choice goalkeeper this season playing Premier League football week in-week out? I suppose he'll do his utmost to make just that happen but I can't see that actually happening? Is he a player for the future? Probably. But we've got Jack, we've got Bachmann. It's an interesting one. Haugaard is, I think seeing this as an opportunity to develop. If in 3-4 years time he's pushing for 1st team action then great - but it'll take something extra special, I think, if he's going to give the manager a goalkeeping headache. There are proven 'keepers out there, out of contract - or ones who would be willing to step up to a place on the bench at Stoke. We just need to secure the best we can get. Some keepers are dodgy by reputation - I'd put Al Habsi in that bracket. And Bogdan for that matter. Whatever happened to that highly rated young one at Huddersfield from a while back? Agreed, mate. Hm, Alex Smithies?
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Jul 6, 2015 22:17:52 GMT
Michel Vorm.
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Post by Bombus on Jul 6, 2015 22:21:22 GMT
Surely, he would only come knowing he'd first choice though?
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Jul 6, 2015 22:24:05 GMT
Surely, he would only come knowing he'd first choice though? I'm not convinced that Butland will be our number one come start of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:25:55 GMT
Surely, he would only come knowing he'd first choice though? I'm not convinced that Butland will be our number one come start of the season. If there's any truth in that Inter keeper link above you may be right. This far in with Jack, that would be worrying.
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2015 22:27:26 GMT
Short for a keeper at only 6'0" dead. I like to see a commanding figure guarding the goal not some comparative short arse
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 6, 2015 22:27:42 GMT
We've got to remember there is absolutely no guarantee Jack will come in and do the business for a 38-game Premier League season. Promising as he is, he is still very young and inexperienced and it could only take a little run of bad luck/mistakes for his confidence to go south. That scenario is not just possible, it may even be likely.
What we need is less a "back-up" just in case Jack gets injured, and more someone who is going to be comfortable stepping in as first choice for a decent portion of the season. It's very tricky to think of anyone who a) is good and experienced enough and b) would be happy to accept the bench as his starting position.
It's a very tough one. Although as a postscript I'd add I still don't think it's that unrealistic that Bego will still be with us on Sep 2nd - which in turn could present a host of other problems...!
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Post by LphPotter on Jul 6, 2015 22:31:02 GMT
Jack has to be our number 1 next season for me, although it would make sense to have a decent back up, with experience. Green, Heaton?
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Jul 6, 2015 22:35:27 GMT
Short for a keeper at only 6'0" dead. I like to see a commanding figure guarding the goal not some comparative short arse But we need a keeper that will push Butland not someone that is happy sitting on the bench.
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2015 22:45:38 GMT
Short for a keeper at only 6'0" dead. I like to see a commanding figure guarding the goal not some comparative short arse But we need a keeper that will push Butland not someone that is happy sitting on the bench. Yes, I think we absolutely do, jury is still out on Butland for me.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2015 22:49:13 GMT
It's 99% Butland will start as No.1 And 99% Haugaard will start as No.3
But finding the right guy as No.2 who may play 0 games or, worst case, 38 games is a pretty unenviable task. Hard to know how much to spend and it's got to be one of the trickiest spots to fill.
As Spinksy put in his article....
They want a keeper who is experienced, preferably in the Premier League, and they haven't budgeted a fortune for him. They also want a player who is good enough to put pressure on Butland, on the one hand, but who is also content to play second fiddle for possibly the entire season on the other. He'll certainly have a lot of bench warming ahead of him if, as Mark Hughes hopes, Butland proves himself a worthy number one and long-term successor to Begovic.
Wouldn't say there are many world beaters around the Prem, and only the biggest clubs have got a really good back-up. We've probably been lucky to have had the situation we've had in recent years.
Dunno how up-to-date this is, but seems pretty recent...
Arse Cech Ospina Szczesny AVla Given Guzan Burn Heaton Gilks Chel Courtois Cech CrPa Speroni Hennessey Ever Howard Robles Hull McGregor Harper Leic Schmeichel Schwarzer Liv Mignolet Bogdan ManC Hart Caballero ManU DeGea Valdes Newc Krul Elliot QPR Green McCarthy Ston (Forster) Stekelenburg Davis Gazzaniga Stok Begovic Butland Sund Pantilimon Mannone Swan Fabianski Nordfeldt Tott Lloris Vorm WBA Foster Myhill WHU Adrian Jaaskelainen Randolph
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 6, 2015 22:49:45 GMT
Are there any old hands (pardon the pun) playing regularly at the top end of the Champo who we could tempt? John Ruddy might have been a possibility if Norwich hadn't gone up...
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 6, 2015 22:53:08 GMT
It's 99% Butland will start as No.1 And 99% Haugaard will start as No.3 But finding the right guy as No.2 who may play 0 games or, worst case, 38 games is a pretty unenviable task. Hard to know how much to spend and it's got to be one of the trickiest spots to fill. As Spinksy put in his article.... They want a keeper who is experienced, preferably in the Premier League, and they haven't budgeted a fortune for him. They also want a player who is good enough to put pressure on Butland, on the one hand, but who is also content to play second fiddle for possibly the entire season on the other. He'll certainly have a lot of bench warming ahead of him if, as Mark Hughes hopes, Butland proves himself a worthy number one and long-term successor to Begovic.
Wouldn't say there are many world beaters around the Prem, and only the biggest clubs have got a really good back-up. We've probably been lucky to have had the situation we've had in recent years. Dunno how up-to-date this is, but seems pretty recent... Arse Cech Ospina Szczesny AVla Given Guzan Burn Heaton Gilks Chel Courtois Cech CrPa Speroni Hennessey Ever Howard Robles Hull McGregor Harper Leic Schmeichel Schwarzer Liv Mignolet Bogdan ManC Hart Caballero ManU DeGea Valdes Newc Krul Elliot QPR Green McCarthy Ston (Forster) Stekelenburg Davis Gazzaniga Stok Begovic Butland Sund Pantilimon Mannone Swan Fabianski Nordfeldt Tott Lloris Vorm WBA Foster Myhill WHU Adrian Jaaskelainen Randolph
When Arsenal play Chels, would Cech have to sprint up the other end and go in goal for the Blues if Courtois got injured?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 6, 2015 22:54:20 GMT
Haha.
That's pending Bego donning his old skullcap!
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Post by knowles on Jul 7, 2015 0:01:58 GMT
Not sure if he'd be interested but Anders Lindegaard might prefer sitting on a bench to sitting in the stand? Give him the cup games and he'd be guaranteed two more games than he would at Man Utd at the very least! Wouldn't need to move home either, presumably. Wages could be an issue if Man Utd threw silly money at him though. Ali Al-Habsi is currently in Thailand with Reading so they must be pretty keen on making him a permanent addition.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 7, 2015 14:58:34 GMT
Nowt up with al habsi as number 2 imo
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