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Post by Pugsley on Jun 23, 2015 18:20:54 GMT
Like it or not as we move up the football food chain Stoke City FC is a tough sell - people hate the 'Little Old Stoke' concept on here but it definitely has grain of truth in it. Two things spring to mind - never look down your nose at those who have committed to the cause and give it 100% week in week out and secondly certain players attitudes may change as we get nearer the end of the window and they suddenly see their options in rather a clearer light! Like I said 3 years ago - decades... L E G A C Y
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Post by wuzza on Jun 23, 2015 18:56:18 GMT
Absolutely not Pugs - if it wasn't for the man we wouldn't even be on the radar - now at least we register a minor bleep with good players. It's more to do with the fact we have no record of winning things , we have no worldwide status to speak of, and the media ignore us as an inconvenience somewhere between Brum and Manchester.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 23, 2015 19:18:43 GMT
Not at all. He consistently went off with minor niggles when things weren't working for him. Not a player to run off his injuries, it was clear to those not mesmorised by loaning a Chelsea player that he was going through the motions most of the time. He didn't want to be here and still doesn't. With or without social media Bojan, Odem and Muni all doing their best to get fit unlike Moses who managed 16 games for us and didn't always complete them. 38 games in three seasons is not a good record. I'm sorry but that is just your opinion and not based on any fact. You have no idea whether he was genuinely injured or not. Run off injuries? It's not cramp you know? And if he really didn't want to be here why the fuck did he come back for our last game of the season even though he was injured? H Limped about until called off then walked off normally. Of course it is only my opinion as is 99.9% of posts on here. My opinion is that he may well be another KJ or he may be fantastic but 16 incomplete games having 6 or so games the previous season isn't an opportunity to find out. A further loan would. Also there don't seem many clubs queuing to sign him, although it is early in the transfer window. Think he's Marmite and divides opinion.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 23, 2015 19:21:46 GMT
I'll wait to hear off the man himself before hanging him out to dry. That said I think Moses would be pretty stupid if he didn't want to come here but would it be a massive shock? Not really. There aren't many players who aren't Billy Big Time and no matter what we think about our upwardly mobile status in the football world, we're still Stoke City and most top players will think they can do better than us. That's not being negative just being realistic about modern day footballers. They don't all have Bojan's apparent humble mentality (or his prodigious talent come to that). This
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Post by rednwhite43 on Jun 23, 2015 19:30:01 GMT
The guardian ha ha ha i wouldnt wipe me arse on it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:05:21 GMT
If Moses doesn't want to join us it's not a massive loss, he was great at times last season but I don't want to see us spend a fortune on a player who is only fit for for half of the season.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 23, 2015 20:08:11 GMT
Let us not forget that in spells he was quite poor and then not available. As has been said above, he'll do well to find somewhere better than Stoke. In the meantime, it's only June and plenty of other names to peruse over. Sad that players are just happy to sit on reserve benches at their own club.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 23, 2015 20:12:19 GMT
I am sort of hoping he doesn't sign. He's the sort of player who will never be happy and already knows he is not good enough for Champions League class clubs. Moses plays for himself and no one else. We can get more committed players, doing a more consistent job, for the sort of money we'd shell out for him!
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Post by rawli on Jun 23, 2015 20:22:35 GMT
Sounds a volatile combination
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:23:56 GMT
In other words just like all the others he is keeping his options open to see if he gets a more glamorous move.
What he maybe doesn't realise is he won't be doing better than us. If he leaves it too late he could end up at Sunderland.
I'm not too fussed about signing him to be honest. Too unreliable
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Post by RAF on Jun 23, 2015 20:29:27 GMT
I'm sorry but that is just your opinion and not based on any fact. You have no idea whether he was genuinely injured or not. Run off injuries? It's not cramp you know? And if he really didn't want to be here why the fuck did he come back for our last game of the season even though he was injured? H Limped about until called off then walked off normally. Of course it is only my opinion as is 99.9% of posts on here. My opinion is that he may well be another KJ or he may be fantastic but 16 incomplete games having 6 or so games the previous season isn't an opportunity to find out. A further loan would. Also there don't seem many clubs queuing to sign him, although it is early in the transfer window. Think he's Marmite and divides opinion. Bojan walked off the pitch with his cruciate! And there werent many clubs queuing for his services. Lets just see what Moses himself has to say not some journo. H
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 23, 2015 20:35:55 GMT
Limped about until called off then walked off normally. Of course it is only my opinion as is 99.9% of posts on here. My opinion is that he may well be another KJ or he may be fantastic but 16 incomplete games having 6 or so games the previous season isn't an opportunity to find out. A further loan would. Also there don't seem many clubs queuing to sign him, although it is early in the transfer window. Think he's Marmite and divides opinion. Bojan walked off the pitch with his cruciate! And there werent many clubs queuing for his services. Lets just see what Moses himself has to say not some journo. H I agree with that, I am sure a lot of them make it up or hide behind "it has been reported" or "appears" etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 20:36:09 GMT
right....can we PLEASE stop all this shit about him "Only being able to play half the season" and being some kind of sick note!!! it's utter bollocks!!!!
before he came here the last time he'd had any real injuries that put him out for a few games was right at the start of the 2010-2011 season when he was at wigan FFS and he still ended up playing over 20 games that season in the league despite that! are we going to write off Odemwingie and Bojan as sicknotes now as well...pretty sure Moses actually stayed fitter longer than Bojan this season as well.
why do people see a player who picks up a couple of niggles whilst here and decide that's him all over???!!! because they basically don't know anything about his past BEFORE he came here he's autmatically some mind of timebomb just waiting to get injured again. try looking at their whole career so far...Moses DOES NOT have a history of lots of injuries in any way, shape or form whatsoever!!!!!!
he's only just 24 and has played nearly 200 professional games already. you don't do that if you're the kind of player that constantly picks up niggling injuries that put you out for week after week (Wilshere for instance who DOES get niggling injuries is only 1 year younger but has played over 80 games less...that's over 2 seasons worth of Prem games less than Moses!!)
can people please try to actually look at the fucking facts before they type their inaccurate arsegravy?????
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 23, 2015 21:04:37 GMT
right....can we PLEASE stop all this shit about him "Only being able to play half the season" and being some kind of sick note!!! it's utter bollocks!!!! before he came here the last time he'd had any real injuries that put him out for a few games was right at the start of the 2010-2011 season when he was at wigan FFS and he still ended up playing over 20 games that season in the league despite that! are we going to write off Odemwingie and Bojan as sicknotes now as well...pretty sure Moses actually stayed fitter longer than Bojan this season as well. why do people see a player who picks up a couple of niggles whilst here and decide that's him all over???!!! because they basically don't know anything about his past BEFORE he came here he's autmatically some mind of timebomb just waiting to get injured again. try looking at their whole career so far...Moses DOES NOT have a history of lots of injuries in any way, shape or form whatsoever!!!!!! he's only just 24 and has played nearly 200 professional games already. you don't do that if you're the kind of player that constantly picks up niggling injuries that put you out for week after week (Wilshere for instance who DOES get niggling injuries is only 1 year younger but has played over 80 games less...that's over 2 seasons worth of Prem games less than Moses!!) can people please try to actually look at the fucking facts before they type their inaccurate arsegravy????? Stop talking sense Millsy ... FFS!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 23, 2015 21:13:46 GMT
right....can we PLEASE stop all this shit about him "Only being able to play half the season" and being some kind of sick note!!! it's utter bollocks!!!! before he came here the last time he'd had any real injuries that put him out for a few games was right at the start of the 2010-2011 season when he was at wigan FFS and he still ended up playing over 20 games that season in the league despite that! are we going to write off Odemwingie and Bojan as sicknotes now as well...pretty sure Moses actually stayed fitter longer than Bojan this season as well. why do people see a player who picks up a couple of niggles whilst here and decide that's him all over???!!! because they basically don't know anything about his past BEFORE he came here he's autmatically some mind of timebomb just waiting to get injured again. try looking at their whole career so far...Moses DOES NOT have a history of lots of injuries in any way, shape or form whatsoever!!!!!! he's only just 24 and has played nearly 200 professional games already. you don't do that if you're the kind of player that constantly picks up niggling injuries that put you out for week after week (Wilshere for instance who DOES get niggling injuries is only 1 year younger but has played over 80 games less...that's over 2 seasons worth of Prem games less than Moses!!) can people please try to actually look at the fucking facts before they type their inaccurate arsegravy????? I've tried explaining this on a few occasions, mate but it appears there's no point knocking sometimes!
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Post by foster on Jun 23, 2015 21:53:20 GMT
Fuck Moses off. He hardly plays and is injured 50% of the time. He's worse than Darren Anderton.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 23, 2015 21:55:39 GMT
Absolutely not Pugs - if it wasn't for the man we wouldn't even be on the radar - now at least we register a minor bleep with good players. It's more to do with the fact we have no record of winning things , we have no worldwide status to speak of, and the media ignore us as an inconvenience somewhere between Brum and Manchester. Doesn't stop Swansea and to some extent Southampton. We've undersold ourselves for years despite doing great things. Battersea dogs home and all that tripe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:56:45 GMT
Fuck Moses off. He hardly plays and is injured 50% of the time. He's worse than Darren Anderton. So if you judge a players injury record on one season, should we fuck Bojan off too?.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 23, 2015 21:58:14 GMT
right....can we PLEASE stop all this shit about him "Only being able to play half the season" and being some kind of sick note!!! it's utter bollocks!!!! before he came here the last time he'd had any real injuries that put him out for a few games was right at the start of the 2010-2011 season when he was at wigan FFS and he still ended up playing over 20 games that season in the league despite that! are we going to write off Odemwingie and Bojan as sicknotes now as well...pretty sure Moses actually stayed fitter longer than Bojan this season as well. why do people see a player who picks up a couple of niggles whilst here and decide that's him all over???!!! because they basically don't know anything about his past BEFORE he came here he's autmatically some mind of timebomb just waiting to get injured again. try looking at their whole career so far...Moses DOES NOT have a history of lots of injuries in any way, shape or form whatsoever!!!!!! he's only just 24 and has played nearly 200 professional games already. you don't do that if you're the kind of player that constantly picks up niggling injuries that put you out for week after week (Wilshere for instance who DOES get niggling injuries is only 1 year younger but has played over 80 games less...that's over 2 seasons worth of Prem games less than Moses!!) can people please try to actually look at the fucking facts before they type their inaccurate arsegravy????? I've tried explaining this on a few occasions, mate but it appears there's no point knocking sometimes! Victor Moses would be a great signing for us and we should be trying to sign him permanently rather than on loan. However, I've never truly believed he wants/wanted to ply his trade with us. His niggling injuries and consistent ability to depart proceedings on 60 minutes with an injury only to be fit again for the next game a few days later early in the season was infuriating. It has long been my opinion that as good as Victor Moses is and as good a signing as he would be for us, he would ultimately be a player that would return to the Britannia Stadium, in the colours of another team, to a fairly venomous reception. I hope I've been wrong all along and he joins our ranks permanently but I really can't see it happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:10:51 GMT
Fuck Moses off. He hardly plays and is injured 50% of the time. He's worse than Darren Anderton. So if you judge a players injury record on one season, should we fuck Bojan off too?. sorensen,this is foster...he doesn't do sarky smilies mate.pretty sure he was taking the piss
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 23, 2015 22:40:04 GMT
Maybe he sees the club going all-in and seemingly offering telephone numbers to a bloke who plays in his position and thinks "Hmm... maybe this isn't for me?"
I know it's a squad game and all that, but......
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Post by foster on Jun 23, 2015 22:40:51 GMT
Fuck Moses off. He hardly plays and is injured 50% of the time. He's worse than Darren Anderton. So if you judge a players injury record on one season, should we fuck Bojan off too?. Yes, he should be the first one out.
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Post by Gods on Jun 23, 2015 22:49:37 GMT
I'd love to see us sign Moses.
When he has the ball at his feet and runs at defenders he is just about as good as you'll see outside of the self-styled "Galactica" players.
He has unbelievable power steering and that ability to just dump defenders on their backsides.
To be honest I have more faith in him to perform in the Prem for us than I do Kerplunker who remains an unknown quantity in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 2:11:07 GMT
So if you judge a players injury record on one season, should we fuck Bojan off too?. Yes, he should be the first one out. Agreed.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 24, 2015 2:51:52 GMT
Yes, he should be the first one out. Agreed. Yep, and take Muni with him. He seems a bit too injury prone as well.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 24, 2015 7:38:08 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 24, 2015 7:51:50 GMT
right....can we PLEASE stop all this shit about him "Only being able to play half the season" and being some kind of sick note!!! it's utter bollocks!!!! before he came here the last time he'd had any real injuries that put him out for a few games was right at the start of the 2010-2011 season when he was at wigan FFS and he still ended up playing over 20 games that season in the league despite that! are we going to write off Odemwingie and Bojan as sicknotes now as well...pretty sure Moses actually stayed fitter longer than Bojan this season as well. why do people see a player who picks up a couple of niggles whilst here and decide that's him all over???!!! because they basically don't know anything about his past BEFORE he came here he's autmatically some mind of timebomb just waiting to get injured again. try looking at their whole career so far...Moses DOES NOT have a history of lots of injuries in any way, shape or form whatsoever!!!!!! he's only just 24 and has played nearly 200 professional games already. you don't do that if you're the kind of player that constantly picks up niggling injuries that put you out for week after week (Wilshere for instance who DOES get niggling injuries is only 1 year younger but has played over 80 games less...that's over 2 seasons worth of Prem games less than Moses!!) can people please try to actually look at the fucking facts before they type their inaccurate arsegravy????? Ignore any season except the one he played for us. He played 16 league games out of 38 and failed to play 90 minutes in some of them. He was excellent in a few of the games, but poor in some. He regularly failed to track back and it was very noticeable that in a few games where he was up against a good full back that he suddenly developed a niggle and asked to come off through gestures to the bench. Once substituted the limp magically disappeared. Seen through other than rose coloured glasses, he is potential liability. A good player on his day against the right opposition. He has had an entire season to hint that he would want to be here permanently. Would have him on loan but would be cautious about a permanent signing. Edit the reason for ignoring his two previous seasons and why he didn't have injuries may well be down to not playing.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 8:03:34 GMT
4 pages based on nothing but the opines of a Guardian journalist.
I think Moses wants to come to Stoke. he opted to stay here when Mourinho wanted him back and he was here for the Liverpool game. He can see which way the wind is blowing for this football club.
As for injuries, yes, he picked some annoying little niggles up, but he had barely played for a year before coming to us. This stuff happens and i have no doubt that should he return next season, he will have got all that stuff out of the way.
Personally speaking, i would settle for another season long loan with an option, just to make sure. But i do think he'll be back.
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Post by foster on Jun 24, 2015 8:08:14 GMT
4 pages based on nothing but the opines of a Guardian journalist. I think Moses wants to come to Stoke. he opted to stay here when Mourinho wanted him back and he was here for the Liverpool game. He can see which way the wind is blowing for this football club. As for injuries, yes, he picked some annoying little niggles up, but he had barely played for a year before coming to us. This stuff happens and i have no doubt that should he return next season, he will have got all that stuff out of the way. Personally speaking, i would settle for another season long loan with an option, just to make sure. But i do think he'll be back. I think so too. I reckon he'd be happy to join us providing he gets a decent contract offer. The club has a feel good vibe and generally speaking most players want to stay here once they've experienced it. This is why I still think we stand a good chance of keeping N'Zonzi as well.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 24, 2015 8:13:00 GMT
4 pages based on nothing but the opines of a Guardian journalist. I think Moses wants to come to Stoke. he opted to stay here when Mourinho wanted him back and he was here for the Liverpool game. He can see which way the wind is blowing for this football club. As for injuries, yes, he picked some annoying little niggles up, but he had barely played for a year before coming to us. This stuff happens and i have no doubt that should he return next season, he will have got all that stuff out of the way. Personally speaking, i would settle for another season long loan with an option, just to make sure. But i do think he'll be back. I think so too. I reckon he'd be happy to join us providing he gets a decent contract offer. The club has a feel good vibe and generally speaking most players want to stay here once they've experienced it. This is why I still think we stand a good chance of keeping N'Zonzi as well. I have no doubt Zonz wants to play at a higher level mate. I just think he wants to do it in England where all the money is. He was significantly less moody last year so i thinkif we put the right number in front of him, he'll go for it.
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