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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jun 23, 2015 15:20:35 GMT
Probably destined for West Ham then...
Bang-average but hey, it's in London.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2015 15:23:04 GMT
Well what a surprise. So what are the cognoscenti going to say now, the ones calling for Victor because Kono is a shithouse and 'obviously doesn't want to play for the mighty potters'? As long as old Scholesy keeps telling me these big deals will come rolling in, I'm happy. I mean there's not a shred of evidence for it but if Scholesy says its true on Signal, who are we to doubt?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 23, 2015 15:24:16 GMT
Living in London would probably count for quite a bit.
Although they have got a few decent players who can play wide in Downing, Jarvis (tho he seems to be on his way out), Valencia, Sakho.
You can just about see it. They could afford it
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jun 23, 2015 15:27:23 GMT
Downing has been linked with Sunderland today, so maybe could be a bit of move-around
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Post by upthefud on Jun 23, 2015 15:27:57 GMT
He'd do well for Spurs and Everton as well. Sad thing is we're better than our reputation as it stands whereas teams like Newcastle and West Ham are far worse than theirs.
It'll take time to change but I'm still fairly confident that we haven't seen the last of him
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 23, 2015 15:28:20 GMT
If true then this is the news I've been dreading most this summer. Moses would be a fantastic signing, we really need to continue to sell the club to him.
To coin a phrase 'why do we want someone who doesn't want to play for us...?'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:31:28 GMT
You do suspect he's wanting a London club. Can't really see Spurs, so you'd have to assume West Ham or back to Palace. Can't really see it, although I agree they're the level and location he'd be after. They don't seem to be short of wingers at Palace - certainly not the area they'd need to spend big on although they could probably manage it financially at a push? Don't see Spurs going for him unless they sold a couple. Not sure their fans would see him as a Spurs-level signing? Suppose West Ham would have to be a possible Bolasie out Moses in? You could see that one couldn't you?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 23, 2015 15:32:00 GMT
He'd do well for Spurs and Everton as well. Sad thing is we're better than our reputation as it stands whereas teams like Newcastle and West Ham are far worse than theirs. It'll take time to change but I'm still fairly confident that we haven't seen the last of him Yeah - the old Martinez link. Definitely can't rule Everton out link‘Victor is a quite unique player. When you work with him you realise he is not a normal footballer, not a typical modern winger. ‘He is an old-fashioned type of winger, with incredible raw talent that allows him to go past people. He brings real penetration to the wide positions. Teams are so well set-up tactically these days that you need players who can bring something different, and they don’t appear that often. ‘Victor is that type, though. Even if you look at the great footballing cultures, like Spain and Holland, you see that players of this type are very rare. Victor could have been a real weapon for any team in world football. ‘His experience with the Under 21s was frustrating for him, and for us, because, from our point of view, we could see he was something special"
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 23, 2015 15:32:17 GMT
Well Stoke don't seem to have been busting a gut to get it done , you'd have thought this could have been sorted during the last few months of the season if Stoke were really keen to bring him here .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:32:39 GMT
Why did he come to the last game if he didn't want to be here?.
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Post by gonk on Jun 23, 2015 15:34:05 GMT
If true then this is the news I've been dreading most this summer. Moses would be a fantastic signing, we really need to continue to sell the club to him.
To coin a phrase 'why do we want someone who doesn't want to play for us...?'
Another marked down for a Danny Rose welcome when he comes back the sick note diving c#nt.
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Post by roostershair on Jun 23, 2015 15:34:32 GMT
Always said it about any player we have ever had,if they don't want to play for us then i don't want to watch them play for us either.If Stoke City Football Club are not good/big enough for you then you are not fit to wear OUR TEAM'S shirt. Totally utterly agree!! I've just been verbally battered by one of our cousins from over the pond on Stoke USA on Facebook for saying the same thing about Nzonzi
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Post by upthefud on Jun 23, 2015 15:36:36 GMT
If true then this is the news I've been dreading most this summer. Moses would be a fantastic signing, we really need to continue to sell the club to him.
To coin a phrase 'why do we want someone who doesn't want to play for us...?'
Been reluctant isn't telling us to fuck off. He's a pro footballer, of course he's gonna want to get the best possible deal. If we only signed players who wanted to come to Stoke then we'd still be struggling in the Championship
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jun 23, 2015 15:37:07 GMT
I wouldn't really be that bothered if he doesn't sign. I don't think we'd be much weaker without him, if at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:39:26 GMT
One has to understand that these 'stories' are not necessarily true and are written by news reporters. They get snippets of information and then expand it into a world exclusive to raise the prophile and interest. Not until I see direct quotes , do I believe what is being said .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2015 15:39:45 GMT
I wouldn't really be that bothered if he doesn't sign. I don't think we'd be much weaker without him, if at all. He was our best player for a large part of last season.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 23, 2015 15:39:52 GMT
So this is why all the talk has been of only getting Moses on loan again - we'll get him on loan on 31 August if no bugger else wants him. Sorry, but those days of waiting for the apples to drop are long gone - we are way better than that now. Sod off to the Chelski reserves, you ungrateful little sod.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:42:01 GMT
You do suspect he's wanting a London club. Can't really see Spurs, so you'd have to assume West Ham or back to Palace. Can't really see it, although I agree they're the level and location he'd be after. They don't seem to be short of wingers at Palace - certainly not the area they'd need to spend big on although they could probably manage it financially at a push? Don't see Spurs going for him unless they sold a couple. Not sure their fans would see him as a Spurs-level signing? Suppose West Ham would have to be a possible Perhaps Palace need a replacement for Bolasie... Bolasie > Spurs Moses > Palace Townsend > Dnipro Hoilett > Stoke
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Post by trigger on Jun 23, 2015 15:43:30 GMT
Easy really stay in London (posh area) on 60k per week or move to Chesire on 60k per week, personally I'd stay in the posh part of London.
If we're honest with ourselves Stoke on Trent isn't the nicest of places to live unless you're got 250k plus to spend on a house.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:44:03 GMT
I wouldn't really be that bothered if he doesn't sign. I don't think we'd be much weaker without him, if at all. He was our best player for a large part of last season. That is true, but we also did very well at times without him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 23, 2015 15:46:04 GMT
Can't really see it, although I agree they're the level and location he'd be after. They don't seem to be short of wingers at Palace - certainly not the area they'd need to spend big on although they could probably manage it financially at a push? Don't see Spurs going for him unless they sold a couple. Not sure their fans would see him as a Spurs-level signing? Suppose West Ham would have to be a possible Perhaps Palace need a replacement for Bolasie... You never know! Mind you, having read that quote from Bobby Martinez that makes him sound like a Messi/Ronaldo hybrid, I've talked myself into Everton being the one he's got his eye on. Although I don't know where they stand financially these days?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 23, 2015 15:49:14 GMT
Perhaps Victor doesn't like to be thought of as a makeweight? I can't blame him if that's the case. Why it has to be complicated by the Bego deal I just don't know. If we want him let's just make them and him an offer. If there's no deal to be had we can still let Bego go if we get good money and Bego fancies it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 15:52:48 GMT
Perhaps Victor doesn't like to be thought of as a makeweight? I can't blame him if that's the case. Why it has to be complicated by the Bego deal I just don't know. If we want him let's just make them and him an offer. If there's no deal to be had we can still let Bego go if we get good money and Bego fancies it. I'd be surprised if his nose has been put out of joint by being labelled a makeweight. Hughes has made his feelings quite clear about Moses for a while, you'd assume he feels wanted. Scholes recently said that Chelsea hadn't decided what to do with Moses, so perhaps we were trying to force the issue there.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 23, 2015 15:54:47 GMT
Easy really stay in London (posh area) on 60k per week or move to Chesire on 60k per week, personally I'd stay in the posh part of London. If we're honest with ourselves Stoke on Trent isn't the nicest of places to live unless you're got 250k plus to spend on a house. None of our players live in Stoke. They don't even live in the same county. If rich Cheshire areas are good enough for United, Man City, and Liverpool players then why wouldn't it be good enough for ours???
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 23, 2015 15:55:00 GMT
There are no quotes to support the story and even if there was, we don't know in what context anything might have been said.
He (or his agent) could quite easily have said, that he's not sure about joining Stoke permanently because he wants to be guaranteed first team footy and what with us trying our damnedest to bring Konoplyanka in, he might have to look at other possibilities where a start might be more likely.
Not saying that this IS what has happened but until there's a bit more meat to hang the story on, I don't think people should start crucifying the lad.
As has been said further up - if he was absolutely certain he didn't want to have anything more to do with us, why did he (and quite unexpectedly) turn up for the lap of honour at the last game of the season?
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jun 23, 2015 15:55:27 GMT
I wouldn't really be that bothered if he doesn't sign. I don't think we'd be much weaker without him, if at all. He was our best player for a large part of last season. I disagree. Although I'm in no way suggesting he wasn't great at times, I just don't think we'd be much worse off without him. I thought he was outstanding for one game and then average, at best, for the next few games and then outstanding again. I thought he was rarely on his game for multiple games in a row. For me, it's similar to when people started saying Begovic didn't have a great season (only the other way around in that I thought he did). People that criticised him focused more on the mistakes he made over the season and maybe forgot about the better performances that went more unnoticed by them. I find it hard to believe there aren't better options out there, than Moses, for the amount we'd have to pay (ignoring the possibility of a swap with Begovic, of course). The problem with Moses is, if he was on his game, every game, then we'd have had no chance of having him on loan in the first place but we'd be better off signing someone more consistent.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 23, 2015 15:56:08 GMT
Perhaps Victor doesn't like to be thought of as a makeweight? I can't blame him if that's the case. Why it has to be complicated by the Bego deal I just don't know. If we want him let's just make them and him an offer. If there's no deal to be had we can still let Bego go if we get good money and Bego fancies it. I'd be surprised if his nose has been put out of joint by being labelled a makeweight. Hughes has made his feelings quite clear about Moses for a while, you'd assume he feels wanted. Scholes recently said that Chelsea hadn't decided what to do with Moses, so perhaps we were trying to force the issue there. They can't force Victor to move to us if he doesn't want to though, but I take your first point.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 23, 2015 15:57:40 GMT
Well what a surprise. So what are the cognoscenti going to say now, the ones calling for Victor because Kono is a shithouse and 'obviously doesn't want to play for the mighty potters'? As long as old Scholesy keeps telling me these big deals will come rolling in, I'm happy. I mean there's not a shred of evidence for it but if Scholesy says its true on Signal, who are we to doubt? Moses not hot on coming to Stoke and Sheiky turns it into an anti-Scholes thread. Not that's a surprise!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2015 16:01:07 GMT
As long as old Scholesy keeps telling me these big deals will come rolling in, I'm happy. I mean there's not a shred of evidence for it but if Scholesy says its true on Signal, who are we to doubt? Moses not hot on coming to Stoke and Sheiky turns it into an anti-Scholes thread. Not that's a surprise! Just telling everyone to chill a little. Scholesy's been on Signal telling us the big names will roll in. I believe him. Don't you? I don't think it's a thinly veiled amateurish, Zonz and Bego are off soon so I'd better do my Comical Ali bit at all. Not one bit. Oh no.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 16:02:45 GMT
I'd be surprised if his nose has been put out of joint by being labelled a makeweight. Hughes has made his feelings quite clear about Moses for a while, you'd assume he feels wanted. Scholes recently said that Chelsea hadn't decided what to do with Moses, so perhaps we were trying to force the issue there. They can't force Victor to move to us if he doesn't want to though, but I take your first point. True, but if Chelsea were thinking about keeping Moses for next season, as was suggested (and didn't they try to get him back from us in January?) then perhaps Begovic would have been a tasty carrot to hurry the decision along, before other clubs firmed up their interest in Moses. It seems they might have done...
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