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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 11:32:04 GMT
He's a box to box midfielder ya fruitcake! Aside from Lampard and Gerrard not many of these type of players score many. Fabian Delph has a poorer goals to game record; most consider him to be a box to box player. When TP was in charge at SCFC N'Zonzi played very much in the cage. No one scores many from 40 yards behind the lone striker. Since LMH has been in charge we have mainly played 4-2-3-1. N'Zonzi has been usually used in one of the two holding positions with 4 players ahead of him. The responsiblity for goals has been largely placed on the striker, the wide men and the advanced central midfielder. I know all players are expected to score and I would certainly have liked for more goals from our CM players over the last few years but I don't really think N'Zonzi's goal record is that much worse than most other players who are given the same role. Whelan holds, N'Zonzi links the defence to the attack. He had poor games for us and excellent games, it's a shame he's gone but he's not irreplaceable. Some on here think he's the next Pogba along with his dad which he clearly isn't.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 13, 2015 11:39:14 GMT
It'll cost a lot of money to replace his 7 goals in 120 games. Pretty similar goal record to that of Morgan Schneirderling. A record that Man U seem to think is worth £25M. Almost the same as Alan Hudson, 105 games and 9 goals in three years. Only difference Hudson was forced out when the roof blew off the stand. 40 years Hudson is still a Stoke legend. I doubt the same will be said of N'Zonzi. Edit: I doubt I'll be around to find out.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 13, 2015 11:40:16 GMT
Schneiderlin worth £25m Nzonzi £8m I know he was in the last year of a contract and also that Schneiderlin is a better player but not that much better , leaves me feeling that we have been a bit shot changed
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 13, 2015 11:42:05 GMT
Schneiderlin worth £25m Nzonzi £8m I know he was in the last year of a contract and also that Schneiderlin is a better player but not that much better , leaves me feeling that we have been a bit shot changed Sevilla have bagged themselves a bargain for sure.
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Post by Dannyboy on Jul 13, 2015 11:43:51 GMT
Schneiderlin worth £25m Nzonzi £8m I know he was in the last year of a contract and also that Schneiderlin is a better player but not that much better , leaves me feeling that we have been a bit shot changed Sevilla have bagged themselves a bargain for sure. Totally agree but unfortunately we are still seen as a unfashionable club if Nzonzi was at Southampton he would have gone for a lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 11:45:04 GMT
Sevilla have bagged themselves a bargain for sure. Totally agree but unfortunately we are still seen as a unfashionable club if Nzonzi was at Southampton he would have gone for a lot more. It´s to do with length of contract left no who he was sold from
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 11:53:11 GMT
He's a box to box midfielder ya fruitcake! Aside from Lampard and Gerrard not many of these type of players score many. Fabian Delph has a poorer goals to game record; most consider him to be a box to box player. When TP was in charge at SCFC N'Zonzi played very much in the cage. No one scores many from 40 yards behind the lone striker. Since LMH has been in charge we have mainly played 4-2-3-1. N'Zonzi has been usually used in one of the two holding positions with 4 players ahead of him. The responsiblity for goals has been largely placed on the striker, the wide men and the advanced central midfielder. I know all players are expected to score and I would certainly have liked for more goals from our CM players over the last few years but I don't really think N'Zonzi's goal record is that much worse than most other players who are given the same role. Henderson got 6 goals and 9 assists last season, and according to most on here he's shit. Nzonzi got 3 goals and 1 assist.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 13, 2015 11:55:51 GMT
Aside from Lampard and Gerrard not many of these type of players score many. Fabian Delph has a poorer goals to game record; most consider him to be a box to box player. When TP was in charge at SCFC N'Zonzi played very much in the cage. No one scores many from 40 yards behind the lone striker. Since LMH has been in charge we have mainly played 4-2-3-1. N'Zonzi has been usually used in one of the two holding positions with 4 players ahead of him. The responsiblity for goals has been largely placed on the striker, the wide men and the advanced central midfielder. I know all players are expected to score and I would certainly have liked for more goals from our CM players over the last few years but I don't really think N'Zonzi's goal record is that much worse than most other players who are given the same role. Whelan holds, N'Zonzi links the defence to the attack. He had poor games for us and excellent games, it's a shame he's gone but he's not irreplaceable. Some on here think he's the next Pogba along with his dad which he clearly isn't. Just like Westwood and Delph at Villa. Delph has scored 3 in 81 Prem games. I am not putting N'Zonzi forward as some sort of hybrid of Keane,Scholes and Viera. I have not seen enough of Pogba to really make an assessment on his ability. I am merely pointing out that most players who are used in his role do not score that many, nor should their worth to a team be judged purley on their goals record. No one is irreplaceable, however some teams do struggle to replace key players even with bucket loads of cash; think Suarez at Liverpool, or Bale at Spurs. I hope we will be able to replace any key players that leave us in the same way as Southampton did rather than in the manner demonstrated by Liverpool.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 13, 2015 11:58:43 GMT
Pretty similar goal record to that of Morgan Schneirderling. A record that Man U seem to think is worth £25M. Almost the same as Alan Hudson, 105 games and 9 goals in three years. Only difference Hudson was forced out when the roof blew off the stand. 40 years Hudson is still a Stoke legend. I doubt the same will be said of N'Zonzi. Edit: I doubt I'll be around to find out. Hudson didn't score at all in his second spell. We still haven't replaced him.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 12:04:13 GMT
Whelan holds, N'Zonzi links the defence to the attack. He had poor games for us and excellent games, it's a shame he's gone but he's not irreplaceable. Some on here think he's the next Pogba along with his dad which he clearly isn't. Just like Westwood and Delph at Villa. Delph has scored 3 in 81 Prem games. I am not putting N'Zonzi forward as some sort of hybrid of Keane,Scholes and Viera. I have not seen enough of Pogba to really make an assessment on his ability. I am merely pointing out that most players who are used in his role do not score that many, nor should their worth to a team be judged purley on their goals record. No one is irreplaceable, however some teams do struggle to replace key players even with bucket loads of cash; think Suarez at Liverpool, or Bale at Spurs. I hope we will be able to replace any key players that leave us in the same way as Southampton did rather than in the manner demonstrated by Liverpool. Come on mate, Delph was caged at Villa under Lambert as much as N'Zonzi under Pulis. He's got better as he's got more freedom under Sherwood like N'Zonzi looks a better player under Hughes. N'Zonzi is nowhere near as important to us as Bale or Suarez, there were times pre-Christmas where his slow ball movement saw us struggle to break teams down. He finished the season very strongly which masked some very average displays. This board is a laugh at times, people seem to forget how good Moses was before Christmas, they forget how poor Arnie was and how average N'Zonzi was.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 13, 2015 12:06:31 GMT
Aside from Lampard and Gerrard not many of these type of players score many. Fabian Delph has a poorer goals to game record; most consider him to be a box to box player. When TP was in charge at SCFC N'Zonzi played very much in the cage. No one scores many from 40 yards behind the lone striker. Since LMH has been in charge we have mainly played 4-2-3-1. N'Zonzi has been usually used in one of the two holding positions with 4 players ahead of him. The responsiblity for goals has been largely placed on the striker, the wide men and the advanced central midfielder. I know all players are expected to score and I would certainly have liked for more goals from our CM players over the last few years but I don't really think N'Zonzi's goal record is that much worse than most other players who are given the same role. Henderson got 6 goals and 9 assists last season, and according to most on here he's shit. Nzonzi got 3 goals and 1 assist. Nacer Chadli scored 11 for Spurs; your point is?
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 12:10:09 GMT
Henderson got 6 goals and 9 assists last season, and according to most on here he's shit. Nzonzi got 3 goals and 1 assist. Nacer Chadli scored 11 for Spurs; your point is? That link players are allowed to score mate, I think it was quite a simple point.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 13, 2015 12:14:36 GMT
Sevilla have bagged themselves a bargain for sure. Totally agree but unfortunately we are still seen as a unfashionable club if Nzonzi was at Southampton he would have gone for a lot more. Not with 12,months left on his contract he wouldn't. That and that alone, has determined the fee for n'zonzi (and begovic).
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 13, 2015 12:14:52 GMT
Just like Westwood and Delph at Villa. Delph has scored 3 in 81 Prem games. I am not putting N'Zonzi forward as some sort of hybrid of Keane,Scholes and Viera. I have not seen enough of Pogba to really make an assessment on his ability. I am merely pointing out that most players who are used in his role do not score that many, nor should their worth to a team be judged purley on their goals record. No one is irreplaceable, however some teams do struggle to replace key players even with bucket loads of cash; think Suarez at Liverpool, or Bale at Spurs. I hope we will be able to replace any key players that leave us in the same way as Southampton did rather than in the manner demonstrated by Liverpool. Come on mate, Delph was caged at Villa under Lambert as much as N'Zonzi under Pulis. He's got better as he's got more freedom under Sherwood like N'Zonzi looks a better player under Hughes. N'Zonzi is nowhere near as important to us as Bale or Suarez, there were times pre-Christmas where his slow ball movement saw us struggle to break teams down. He finished the season very strongly which masked some very average displays. This board is a laugh at times, people seem to forget how good Moses was before Christmas, they forget how poor Arnie was and how average N'Zonzi was. My involvement in the thread was not based on any desire to champion Stephen N'Zonzi as some kind of irreplaceable footballing genius, it was merely to counter the idea that was being put forward that because N'Zonzi did not score a goal very 4 or 5 games that he was somehow worth very littl and would be very easy to replace. I have made no comments on the relative worth of Arnie or Victor Moses. I will say that I think N'Zonzi was outstanding for us for the majority of his time at the club and I will add that now he has gone he and his new team can fuck right off.
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Post by redwhite on Jul 13, 2015 12:17:22 GMT
Aside from Lampard and Gerrard not many of these type of players score many. Fabian Delph has a poorer goals to game record; most consider him to be a box to box player. When TP was in charge at SCFC N'Zonzi played very much in the cage. No one scores many from 40 yards behind the lone striker. Since LMH has been in charge we have mainly played 4-2-3-1. N'Zonzi has been usually used in one of the two holding positions with 4 players ahead of him. The responsiblity for goals has been largely placed on the striker, the wide men and the advanced central midfielder. I know all players are expected to score and I would certainly have liked for more goals from our CM players over the last few years but I don't really think N'Zonzi's goal record is that much worse than most other players who are given the same role. Henderson got 6 goals and 9 assists last season, and according to most on here he's shit. Nzonzi got 3 goals and 1 assist. You have a very simplistic view of football if you think every player in a team is there to either score goals or stop goals. If that's what defined N'zonzi, Sevilla (a champions league club) wouldn't have bought him. And Henderson isn't shit.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 12:18:56 GMT
Come on mate, Delph was caged at Villa under Lambert as much as N'Zonzi under Pulis. He's got better as he's got more freedom under Sherwood like N'Zonzi looks a better player under Hughes. N'Zonzi is nowhere near as important to us as Bale or Suarez, there were times pre-Christmas where his slow ball movement saw us struggle to break teams down. He finished the season very strongly which masked some very average displays. This board is a laugh at times, people seem to forget how good Moses was before Christmas, they forget how poor Arnie was and how average N'Zonzi was. My involvement in the thread was not based on any desire to champion Stephen N'Zonzi as some kind of irreplaceable footballing genius, it was merely to counter the idea that was being put forward that because N'Zonzi did not score a goal very 4 or 5 games that he was somehow worth very littl and would be very easy to replace. I have made no comments on the relative worth of Arnie or Victor Moses. I will say that I think N'Zonzi was outstanding for us for the majority of his time at the club and I will add that now he has gone he and his new team can fuck right off. Goals mean nothing to me, I championed the importance of Sidibe at the club but he wasn't known for his finishing. Fact is though we can improve on N'Zonzi, some are over-hyping him far too much. I mentioned those players purely as a short memory thing, I in no way want to involve them in the thread before anyone starts. N'Zonzi was a7.5 for me in his time here. Good/very good not excellent.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 12:20:42 GMT
Henderson got 6 goals and 9 assists last season, and according to most on here he's shit. Nzonzi got 3 goals and 1 assist. You have a very simplistic view of football if you think every player in a team is there to either score goals or stop goals. If that's what defined N'zonzi, Sevilla (a champions league club) wouldn't have bought him. And Henderson isn't shit. Celtic are a CL club, does that make them better than us? We are very similar in terms if quality to the likes of Sevilla.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 13, 2015 12:22:38 GMT
Nacer Chadli scored 11 for Spurs; your point is? That link players are allowed to score mate, I think it was quite a simple point. My point is that you can not simply use goals scored as an indicator of a players worth. Vieira scored 29 in 279 at Arsenal.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 12:30:27 GMT
That link players are allowed to score mate, I think it was quite a simple point. My point is that you can not simply use goals scored as an indicator of a players worth. Vieira scored 29 in 279 at Arsenal. Different role again, Keane (Whelan) rarely scored for Man Utd but Scholes did. Henderson, Ramsey, Fabregas, Yaya are the type of link players who have a bigger attacking impact for their clubs than N'Zonzi, he's not irreplaceable.
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Post by foster on Jul 13, 2015 12:33:03 GMT
That link players are allowed to score mate, I think it was quite a simple point. My point is that you can not simply use goals scored as an indicator of a players worth. Vieira scored 29 in 279 at Arsenal.
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Post by redwhite on Jul 13, 2015 12:34:11 GMT
You have a very simplistic view of football if you think every player in a team is there to either score goals or stop goals. If that's what defined N'zonzi, Sevilla (a champions league club) wouldn't have bought him. And Henderson isn't shit. Celtic are a CL club, does that make them better than us? We are very similar in terms if quality to the likes of Sevilla. Sevilla are a Champions league club from La Liga, not even comparable to the SPL. They've come on massively in the last couple of years and the fact that they've just won the Europa League and attained 76 points in the mean time in the league shows the gulf in quality between us and them. A big step up for Steven.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 12:46:48 GMT
Celtic are a CL club, does that make them better than us? We are very similar in terms if quality to the likes of Sevilla. Sevilla are a Champions league club from La Liga, not even comparable to the SPL. They've come on massively in the last couple of years and the fact that they've just won the Europa League and attained 76 points in the mean time in the league shows the gulf in quality between us and them. A big step up for Steven. It's not a huge step up in quality at all, we're a top half team in the strongest league in the works, they're a top 6 team in a 3 team league, we're very similar. N'Zonzi wants CL football and a bit of sun. You can't blame him but it's not a massive step up.
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Post by redwhite on Jul 13, 2015 12:51:11 GMT
Sevilla are a Champions league club from La Liga, not even comparable to the SPL. They've come on massively in the last couple of years and the fact that they've just won the Europa League and attained 76 points in the mean time in the league shows the gulf in quality between us and them. A big step up for Steven. It's not a huge step up in quality at all, we're a top half team in the strongest league in the works, they're a top 6 team in a 3 team league, we're very similar. N'Zonzi wants CL football and a bit of sun. You can't blame him but it's not a massive step up. So if Stoke moved to La Liga we'd manage to muster an extra 18 points whilst winning the Europa League? As I say, a big step up.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 13, 2015 13:37:09 GMT
Spot on what a shit, ridiculously frustrating website that is! You can't even read the bastard piece for its jumping to vids and ads. Yeah like you haven't been looking at Kate middletons money shots That's besides the point, however...how do you think that helps one bit with lessening my frustration?
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 15:16:31 GMT
It's not a huge step up in quality at all, we're a top half team in the strongest league in the works, they're a top 6 team in a 3 team league, we're very similar. N'Zonzi wants CL football and a bit of sun. You can't blame him but it's not a massive step up. So if Stoke moved to La Liga we'd manage to muster an extra 18 points whilst winning the Europa League? As I say, a big step up. We'd challenge for the Europa spots bare minimum. In it to win it as they say.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 13, 2015 15:39:11 GMT
My point is that you can not simply use goals scored as an indicator of a players worth. Vieira scored 29 in 279 at Arsenal. Different role again, Keane (Whelan) rarely scored for Man Utd but Scholes did. Henderson, Ramsey, Fabregas, Yaya are the type of link players who have a bigger attacking impact for their clubs than N'Zonzi, he's not irreplaceable. Modric scored 1 in 10 at Spurs and has 5 from 83 at Real Madrid. Is that decent goal record or do you class him as a Whelan style player too.
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Post by upthefud on Jul 13, 2015 16:10:52 GMT
Different role again, Keane (Whelan) rarely scored for Man Utd but Scholes did. Henderson, Ramsey, Fabregas, Yaya are the type of link players who have a bigger attacking impact for their clubs than N'Zonzi, he's not irreplaceable. Modric scored 1 in 10 at Spurs and has 5 from 83 at Real Madrid. Is that decent goal record or do you class him as a Whelan style player too. Can you find Modric's assist stats? I'd imagine they'll be far higher
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 25, 2015 15:08:54 GMT
The Zonzer is in Bremen today anchoring Sevilla's midfield. Looks like that c@nt Kono is on the bench.
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2015 15:19:38 GMT
The Zonzer is in Bremen today anchoring Sevilla's midfield. Looks like that c@nt Kono is on the bench. Have they rumbled Kono already? Won't be long before they rumble N'Zonzi.
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 25, 2015 15:23:37 GMT
The Zonzer is in Bremen today anchoring Sevilla's midfield. Looks like that c@nt Kono is on the bench. Have they rumbled Kono already? Won't be long before they rumble N'Zonzi. I hope so! Jerks .... That being said these Sevilla blokes know how to assemble a side, Kono, Zonzer, and Immobile look like an FM wet dream.
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