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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 10, 2015 7:09:25 GMT
This one's for you, sportsman : And Bojan in reply to Crouch:
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 10, 2015 7:34:36 GMT
As bitter and as twisted as I am about this transfer, I have to agree with others and say that he is by far the best Midfielder that I have ever seen at our club. Before others then correct me, I never saw Hudson unfortunately in the flesh playing.
I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Certainly he hasn't achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did but he has time on his side. I guess we'll see now what he goes on to do on his new found bigger stage. I also believe he was as crucial to our play as Viera was to Arse's. I just hope that we manage to replace him more easily than they did.
That all said, I can't wish him or Sevilla well...not yet anyway.
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Post by algor on Jul 10, 2015 7:35:59 GMT
As bitter and as twisted as I am about this transfer, I have to agree with others and say that he is by far the best Midfielder that I have ever seen at our club. Before others then correct me, I never saw Hudson unfortunately in the flesh playing. I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Certainly he hasn't achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did but he has time on his side. I guess we'll see now what he goes on to do on his new found bigger stage. I also believe he was as crucial to our play as Viera was to Arse's. I just hope that we manage to replace him more easily than they did. That all said, I can't wish him or Sevilla well...not yet anyway. Viera Have a word with yourself!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2015 7:38:00 GMT
This one's for you, sportsman: And Bojan in reply to Crouch:
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 10, 2015 8:18:23 GMT
As bitter and as twisted as I am about this transfer, I have to agree with others and say that he is by far the best Midfielder that I have ever seen at our club. Before others then correct me, I never saw Hudson unfortunately in the flesh playing. I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Certainly he hasn't achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did but he has time on his side. I guess we'll see now what he goes on to do on his new found bigger stage. I also believe he was as crucial to our play as Viera was to Arse's. I just hope that we manage to replace him more easily than they did. That all said, I can't wish him or Sevilla well...not yet anyway. Viera Have a word with yourself! In terms of what HE did for OUR team. I am not saying he is a better player for Viera. Fuck me, people are always so quick to try and have a dig at a post they forget to read the fucking thing. For example, we have a young lad coming to our team from Chelsea who is nowhere near their first team plans and possibly never will be. Yet there a lots of fans on this website that are raving about him and are rightly excited. All things relative aye. You never know, perhaps the next time you actually read the post. Did I not say he hasn't "achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did"? We'll see what he is capable of now he has a bigger stage/opportunity. He might be the next John Halls? Personally, in the twisted bitter way I hope he is but I have to confess I don't feel anywhere near as negative towards Bego???? I'm putting it down to his sour faced Dad.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 10, 2015 8:24:03 GMT
As bitter and as twisted as I am about this transfer, I have to agree with others and say that he is by far the best Midfielder that I have ever seen at our club. Before others then correct me, I never saw Hudson unfortunately in the flesh playing. I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Certainly he hasn't achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did but he has time on his side. I guess we'll see now what he goes on to do on his new found bigger stage. I also believe he was as crucial to our play as Viera was to Arse's. I just hope that we manage to replace him more easily than they did. That all said, I can't wish him or Sevilla well...not yet anyway. Not sure you can really compare N'Zonzi with Vieira. As much as I didn't particularly like the guy, at 26 he was an absolutely world class footballer. We don't even know if N'Zonzi will truly reach his potential. He certainly hasn't yet imo and that's no fault of ours. N'Zonzi did enough for us over the three years to warrant my best wishes. I will check out Sevilla every so often to see how he's getting on. For one, I do like to see former players succeed (I'm not an Arsenal fan) and I really hope he does fulfill his dream of being successful in the Champions League. His departure isn't necessarily a slate on our club, it's merely ambition and I guess we shouldn't begrudge him that.
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Post by alster on Jul 10, 2015 8:27:45 GMT
Who?
Call for the anchor he no longer exists.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 10, 2015 8:27:52 GMT
As bitter and as twisted as I am about this transfer, I have to agree with others and say that he is by far the best Midfielder that I have ever seen at our club. Before others then correct me, I never saw Hudson unfortunately in the flesh playing. I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Certainly he hasn't achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did but he has time on his side. I guess we'll see now what he goes on to do on his new found bigger stage. I also believe he was as crucial to our play as Viera was to Arse's. I just hope that we manage to replace him more easily than they did. That all said, I can't wish him or Sevilla well...not yet anyway. Not sure you can really compare N'Zonzi with Vieira. As much as I didn't particularly like the guy, at 26 he was an absolutely world class footballer. We don't even know if N'Zonzi will truly reach his potential. He certainly hasn't yet imo and that's no fault of ours. N'Zonzi did enough for us over the three years to warrant my best wishes. I will check out Sevilla every so often to see how he's getting on. For one, I do like to see former players succeed (I'm not an Arsenal fan) and I really hope he does fulfill his dream of being successful in the Champions League. His departure isn't necessarily a slate on our club, it's merely ambition and I guess we shouldn't begrudge him that. ~I was talking in terms of Stoke mate. Not saying that he is as good as Viera. Just that for Stoke, in my opinion, he had as much impact for us in our play as Viera had for Arse. I was also hoping that we can replace him easier than Arse did with Viera.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 10, 2015 8:44:12 GMT
Both those clubs can pay top, top dollar for Bego and it's Scholesy's job to make sure they do.
Bego might want Utd., - the starting slot as well as not having to move himself or his mrs' mules.
We, on the other hand, look like we might get a better (better fitting) Chelsea loan player. Van Wrinkle sounds promising and a loan negates the risk up front of a massive fee.
If it is him and they match any fee LVG might conjure up, that seems the front runner?
That said, Knicker Wetting United on here won't be happy with that as he's not got 200 CL games under his belt yet of course. If you think that by changing the colour of your text that it's going to make me read your post, then you are sadly mistaken my friend. And if you think I give two hoots if you read my posts or not, it is you that is sadly mistaken.
If you had read it, hindsight would now tell you that it wasn't too wide of the mark.
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Post by debabelizer on Jul 10, 2015 8:52:44 GMT
I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Sorry, but i'm not having that mate. Viera was the beating heart of the invincibles, both of similar stature I give you, but two players on totally different footballing planets. Patrick Viera would have walked into any of Barca's past 5 year starting XI's....come on.
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Post by algor on Jul 10, 2015 8:57:54 GMT
Viera Have a word with yourself! In terms of what HE did for OUR team. I am not saying he is a better player for Viera. Fuck me, people are always so quick to try and have a dig at a post they forget to read the fucking thing. For example, we have a young lad coming to our team from Chelsea who is nowhere near their first team plans and possibly never will be. Yet there a lots of fans on this website that are raving about him and are rightly excited. All things relative aye. You never know, perhaps the next time you actually read the post. Did I not say he hasn't "achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did"? We'll see what he is capable of now he has a bigger stage/opportunity. He might be the next John Halls? Personally, in the twisted bitter way I hope he is but I have to confess I don't feel anywhere near as negative towards Bego???? I'm putting it down to his sour faced Dad. I did read the fucking thing "I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera" Nonsense!
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 10, 2015 9:03:16 GMT
I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Sorry, but i'm not having that mate. Viera was the beating heart of the invincibles, both of similar stature I give you, but two players on totally different footballing planets. Patrick Viera would have walked into any of Barca's past 5 year starting XI's....come on. I think he is that effective for our team. I hope we replace him easily but I think everything goes through him. I wouldn't have said the beating heart of our team as I think we'll see this season what Bojan can do but in terms of Stoke. I think he was our Viera. Please not for one second was I saying he was as good or will be as good as Viera. I was referencing his importance to Stoke, to our style of play last year. His stats alone in terms of passing etc tell you how crucial he was.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 10, 2015 9:08:44 GMT
Not sure you can really compare N'Zonzi with Vieira. As much as I didn't particularly like the guy, at 26 he was an absolutely world class footballer. We don't even know if N'Zonzi will truly reach his potential. He certainly hasn't yet imo and that's no fault of ours. N'Zonzi did enough for us over the three years to warrant my best wishes. I will check out Sevilla every so often to see how he's getting on. For one, I do like to see former players succeed (I'm not an Arsenal fan) and I really hope he does fulfill his dream of being successful in the Champions League. His departure isn't necessarily a slate on our club, it's merely ambition and I guess we shouldn't begrudge him that. ~I was talking in terms of Stoke mate. Not saying that he is as good as Viera. Just that for Stoke, in my opinion, he had as much impact for us in our play as Viera had for Arse. I was also hoping that we can replace him easier than Arse did with Viera. Nobody is irreplaceable, especially someone who really wasn't committed to playing the upcoming season.
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Post by debabelizer on Jul 10, 2015 9:09:53 GMT
Sorry, but i'm not having that mate. Viera was the beating heart of the invincibles, both of similar stature I give you, but two players on totally different footballing planets. Patrick Viera would have walked into any of Barca's past 5 year starting XI's....come on. I think he is that effective for our team. I hope we replace him easily but I think everything goes through him. I wouldn't have said the beating heart of our team as I think we'll see this season what Bojan can do but in terms of Stoke. I think he was our Viera. Please not for one second was I saying he was as good or will be as good as Viera. I was referencing his importance to Stoke, to our style of play last year. His stats alone in terms of passing etc tell you how crucial he was. Gotcha. With you there.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 10, 2015 9:57:17 GMT
Summers will never be the same...
I'll miss the annual summer "Nzonzi wants a move" thread.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jul 10, 2015 10:23:13 GMT
In light of the whole situation, and being the sensible, pragmatic guy I am; I hope it all goes tits up for the stroppy cunt.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 10, 2015 10:33:29 GMT
~I was talking in terms of Stoke mate. Not saying that he is as good as Viera. Just that for Stoke, in my opinion, he had as much impact for us in our play as Viera had for Arse. I was also hoping that we can replace him easier than Arse did with Viera. Nobody is irreplaceable, especially someone who really wasn't committed to playing the upcoming season. Uncommitted maybe career wise but he never played as such in my opinion.
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Post by RAF on Jul 10, 2015 10:39:06 GMT
As bitter and as twisted as I am about this transfer, I have to agree with others and say that he is by far the best Midfielder that I have ever seen at our club. Before others then correct me, I never saw Hudson unfortunately in the flesh playing. I believe N'Zonzi is a player on par with Viera. Certainly he hasn't achieved anything anywhere near what Patrick did but he has time on his side. I guess we'll see now what he goes on to do on his new found bigger stage. I also believe he was as crucial to our play as Viera was to Arse's. I just hope that we manage to replace him more easily than they did. That all said, I can't wish him or Sevilla well...not yet anyway. I understand what you are trying to say, much like Kenwyne was compared to Drogba. They have the attributes but not necessarily the application or desire. H
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jul 10, 2015 12:09:25 GMT
Good luck Fonzi even though your heart never fully seemed to be in Stoke you played some great football and last season was your best in a Stoke shirt. Hope you get to play CL football and maybe even break into the French side. No bitterness from me regarding this deal. Gouranga.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 10, 2015 12:33:51 GMT
N'zonzi is a huge loss because he's a superb player. Sevilla have bagged themselves a bargain.
He's left to play Champions League football in one of Europe's best league and in the process, joined the Europa League winners. A good move for N'zonzi and one I hope he makes a success of.
He will be difficult to replace and will leave a big hole but given his limitations, both going forward and chasing backwards, he will not be absolutely impossible to replace.
He's one of 3 you would least like to lose, but of the 3, he's the one you'd want to go. Shawcross and Bojan are even more crucial to us if we are to win the cup and get the league placing we need to secure European Football.
Good luck to N'zonzi though. I'm disappointed to see him leave but am glad he hasn't seemingly left for financial gain alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 12:45:27 GMT
It'll cost a lot of money to replace his 7 goals in 120 games.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 10, 2015 12:54:33 GMT
It'll cost a lot of money to replace his 7 goals in 120 games. Slightly on the harsh side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 12:57:11 GMT
It'll cost a lot of money to replace his 7 goals in 120 games. Slightly on the harsh side. I just think there's a slight over reaction. If the lad could finish or create, he'd move to a top 4 team. He won't be missed as much as a lot seem to suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 13:04:06 GMT
Slightly on the harsh side. I just think there's a slight over reaction. If the lad could finish or create, he'd move to a top 4 team. He won't be missed as much as a lot seem to suggest. i agree good player for us and this season was his best but it does appear that many are massively overstating his ability and importance to the team. only a few months back there were threads about Player of the season and although a lot picked N'Zonzi, most of them actually stated it was because there had been no stand out player this season and Bego and Ryan hadn't been up to their usual standard. suddenly hes now Stoke's most irreplaceable player since Sir Stan apparently.looks to me like far too many are believing that bullshit about you "only being as good as your last game" and incorrectly remembering him as some consistently influential high performer when he just wasn't! i also think theonlooker made an extremely good point in that N'Zonzi's improvement also haapened to tie in with him carrying out a different role to the one he has usually been tasked with because of Bojan's injury and with him back it was always likely he would have gone back to the older version of N'Zonzi we knew where could most definitely be hit and miss. this idea that he's been stand out for 3 years just isn't true..until this season most on here were constantly frustrated by the fact that he rarely showed what he actually WAS capable of. far too much hysteria, re-writing of history and ludcirous hyperbole going on with regards to this bit of business if you ask me.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 10, 2015 13:04:08 GMT
I liked Zonz and defended him against those who said he was lazy and prone to breaking up attacks by back passing. He was prone to sulking and the silly summer transfer requests. He was a good player but much criticised, however now he has left he has taken on irreplaceable sainthood.
Hopefully as we continue to improve people will get used to other clubs wanting our players. It speaks volumes that at present his £7m fee is a record amount for us to receive.
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Post by jonnybravo on Jul 10, 2015 13:09:31 GMT
Good luck to him but there's afew decent players in his position out there we could go for.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 10, 2015 13:13:20 GMT
Good luck Fonzi even though your heart never fully seemed to be in Stoke you played some great football and last season was your best in a Stoke shirt. Hope you get to play CL football and maybe even break into the French side. No bitterness from me regarding this deal. Gouranga. I preferred your thanks for nothing now fuck off posts. Getting soft in your old age.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 10, 2015 15:01:10 GMT
Slightly on the harsh side. I just think there's a slight over reaction. If the lad could finish or create, he'd move to a top 4 team. He won't be missed as much as a lot seem to suggest. He'll be missed, but I agree.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 13, 2015 5:32:11 GMT
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Post by fca47 on Jul 13, 2015 6:32:53 GMT
He didn't diss Stoke but he has left Stoke so not really bothered what he does.
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