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Post by stokiesteve on Jun 14, 2015 13:14:08 GMT
What's AFC Wimbledon got to do with it?
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jun 14, 2015 13:15:22 GMT
Here we go again. England are playing and all the haters will soon be out in force. Looking forward to the first "come on Slovenia" shout,which won't be too far away. Why don't all you turncoat,mercenaries go and do something with the missus and let the fans who want to get behind our national team,regardless of how shit we might be,do so without listening to your bile. Laughable post , after reading your thoughts on our women's national team this is just hysterical , your opinions are your own and although I don't agree on the women's game to have a little hissy fit on "patrism" is down rite pathetic and massively hypercritical !
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Post by stokiesteve on Jun 14, 2015 13:16:45 GMT
That makes them such a national turn off? I don't follow athletics, but I'll watch the Olympics with pride hoping to see every GB Athlete do well, I'll watch The Ashes, I'll watch England Rugby Union and I'll watch Wimbledon. I don't give a toss about any of these sports aside from when there's national interest at stake. So how come when it comes to my chosen sport is it that I and many others simply can't back the England team? The Scots have been wank for years but they don't seem to have the same issue backing the Scottish national team. In all fairness I do get what you are saying mate. We are perennial under achievers with players who are often grossly overpaid and with all the talk of players looking at playing for England as a chore, maybe due to the press' increscent over hyping our chances at every tournament, the whole thing just becomes a massive turn off.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 14, 2015 13:21:16 GMT
Piss easy group will see England breeze to the finals when they will fail to deliver again. They will get exposed by technically better footballers who are more motivated to succeed, are better coached and have the ability to take instruction.
The national team is rotten to the core, run by a buffoon of a coach under a FA lead by a cockney barrow boy.
Our only hope is that once the debacle next year is gone, Southgate can step up and bring along his under 21's who appear to have something about them.
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Post by mightyone on Jun 14, 2015 13:23:04 GMT
The reason why we are all switched off with England in my opinion is 2 very big reasons, one being Steve mclaren and the other being woy hodgson. We have some good young players Coming through and we need a manager to suit them. Again just my opinion.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jun 14, 2015 13:32:34 GMT
I want hodgson to fail badly , I loath his sniffling hypocrisy and the fa in general , I hope we lose !
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jun 14, 2015 13:33:41 GMT
Piss easy group will see England breeze to the finals when they will fail to deliver again. They will get exposed by technically better footballers who are more motivated to succeed, are better coached and have the ability to take instruction. The national team is rotten to the core, run by a buffoon of a coach under a FA lead by a cockney barrow boy. Our only hope is that once the debacle next year is gone, Southgate can step up and bring along his under 21's who appear to have something about them. Top post
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 14, 2015 13:36:11 GMT
Just what is the point of this thread!
I can't see any value in it whatsoever.
Ok, you're frustrated with the lack of home produced talent and obviously intensely dislike the manager, I think we have heard that one million times before in this board!
What else have you got to offer on the subject?
And why torture yourself with following all the coverage if it disturbs you so much. Watch the cricket!
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Post by Waggy on Jun 14, 2015 13:36:26 GMT
I love England and will always watch through thick and thin. Ok chaps i do admit a change of management is required to rally the spectators but part of the blame has to lie with the FA, sky sports and money. Greed of the premier league wanting to be the best and bringing over foriegn players instead of bringing through young English laddies. I'm a tad worried about the future too in this country as when i ramble across the land i dont see too many young uns playing the game instead i bet they are on their playing machines ( whatever they call them). England though are really lacking a game changer like a Gascoigne too ignite out belief. Stick by the boys though and by jingo we could get somewhere in a tournament.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 14, 2015 13:37:58 GMT
Piss easy group will see England breeze to the finals when they will fail to deliver again. They will get exposed by technically better footballers who are more motivated to succeed, are better coached and have the ability to take instruction. The national team is rotten to the core, run by a buffoon of a coach under a FA lead by a cockney barrow boy. Our only hope is that once the debacle next year is gone, Southgate can step up and bring along his under 21's who appear to have something about them. Yep that just about sums it up perfectly Pugs. I can't wait for the Euros to be over and heralds the end of Woy's pretty uninspiring leadership. There does seem to be something bright on the horizon with some of the U21s Saying all that I remain patriotic and want England to do well irrespective of some of the bellends that are currently playing for the national side. Sadly these days the team fails to deliver and you can understand why so many people have fallen out of love with the national side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 13:38:38 GMT
interesting enough Englands ladies team manager Mark Samson (featuring on SSN too today) also appears to be the model
'corporate complete and utter gobshyte'
as well
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 14, 2015 13:43:01 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 14, 2015 13:44:53 GMT
England is the most reliable team out there...................at letting you down Fuck em There'd of been no Stoke City if letting you down was the criteria mate What have we become ( sad )
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 14, 2015 13:48:55 GMT
England is the most reliable team out there...................at letting you down Fuck em There'd of been no Stoke City if letting you down was the criteria mate What have we become ( sad ) You're not comparing apples with apples mate. A lot of people have become disenfranchised with overhyped, over paid, underperforming footballers led by people who are clearly not good enough but keep getting rewarded for failure with multi million pound contracts.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jun 14, 2015 13:50:01 GMT
interesting enough Englands ladies team manager Mark Samson (featuring on SSN too today) also appears to be the model 'corporate complete and utter gobshyte' as well Yeah , complete tool , after trying to contain the French (and ultimately failing) with one shot on target he had the audacity to say it "was a good solid performance "
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Post by werrington on Jun 14, 2015 14:03:17 GMT
There'd of been no Stoke City if letting you down was the criteria mate What have we become ( sad ) You're not comparing apples with apples mate. A lot of people have become disenfranchised with overhyped, over paid, underperforming footballers led by people who are clearly not good enough but keep getting rewarded for failure with multi million pound contracts. I don't disagree with that either mate Trouble is we are just not good enough and are no more than a Poland/Ukraine at best so why people say they are built up at international level is utter bollocks as they no longer are It's in their minds
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 14, 2015 14:05:48 GMT
You're not comparing apples with apples mate. A lot of people have become disenfranchised with overhyped, over paid, underperforming footballers led by people who are clearly not good enough but keep getting rewarded for failure with multi million pound contracts. I don't disagree with that either mate Trouble is we are just not good enough and are no more than a Poland/Ukraine at best so why people say they are built up at international level is utter bollocks as they no longer are It's in their minds I think we could be better than that with the correct manager. You look at the attacking talent we have and it really could be exciting. We need to have a look at the current transformation happening with the English cricket side and take inspiration and hope from what a change in management and the philosophy that would hopefully come with it can bring.
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Post by liam007 on Jun 14, 2015 14:07:53 GMT
Rather cheer on Vale than England. I never sit there hoping they lose but i never sit there hoping they win,at least with Vale i have some form of feeling,albeit not a good un.
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Post by werrington on Jun 14, 2015 14:14:06 GMT
I don't disagree with that either mate Trouble is we are just not good enough and are no more than a Poland/Ukraine at best so why people say they are built up at international level is utter bollocks as they no longer are It's in their minds I think we could be better than that with the correct manager. You look at the attacking talent we have and it really could be exciting. We need to have a look at the current transformation happening with the English cricket side and take inspiration and hope from what a change in management and the philosophy that would hopefully come with it can bring. It's all to do with how players have been coached over the years and we are now reaping it Players constantly told as kids to " get stuck in " and " get rid " ( when they have the ball ) has now all caught up with us It's gonna take years
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 14, 2015 14:24:17 GMT
I think we could be better than that with the correct manager. You look at the attacking talent we have and it really could be exciting. We need to have a look at the current transformation happening with the English cricket side and take inspiration and hope from what a change in management and the philosophy that would hopefully come with it can bring. It's all to do with how players have been coached over the years and we are now reaping it Players constantly told as kids to " get stuck in " and " get rid " ( when they have the ball ) has now all caught up with us It's gonna take years Nope. Look at the attacking players we have, they are good attacking footballers who are stunted by a conservative manager who plays with conservative tactics. We should be better than what we are with the players we have going forward. Our youth sides over the years have consistently done well, the issues come later in their development.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 14, 2015 14:24:30 GMT
The England side are what they are: a second-rate footballing nation for whom a quarter-final appearance represents a good result.
Our players lack the technical skills of the foreign lads and our tactics are always a few years behind what's happening on the continent. The European countries that boast a bigger population to choose from (Germany, Italy, France) and know what they're doing will always be ahead of us, while the countries with smaller populations (Holland, Belgium) have such a great infrastructure for coaching their elite kids, they make up for the lack of numbers by getting the absolute most out of their resources.
We're probably in the second half-dozen countries in Europe-along with Portugal, Ukraine, Sweden et al, who are very unlikely to win a major tournament but might get to the semis with an easy run and a bit of luck.
Some people don't seem to be able to cope with that and throw their toys out of the pram because we regularly lose to countries who have proven themselves to be better than us for the last half century.
You can't pick and choose your nationality so if you're English and a football fan, then you should support the national team no matter how bad they might be. As others have said, people dress up their disaffection with all sorts of reasons, but the bottom line is that they can't cope with disappointment and/or have a totally distorted view of England's place in the international pecking order.
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Post by werrington on Jun 14, 2015 14:26:56 GMT
It's all to do with how players have been coached over the years and we are now reaping it Players constantly told as kids to " get stuck in " and " get rid " ( when they have the ball ) has now all caught up with us It's gonna take years Nope. Look at the attacking players we have, they are good attacking footballers who are stunted by a conservative manager who plays with conservative tactics. We should be better than what we are with the players we have going forward. Our youth sides over the years have consistently done well, the issues come later in their development. Why can't we keep possession then
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Post by mistergumby on Jun 14, 2015 14:29:24 GMT
That makes them such a national turn off? I don't follow athletics, but I'll watch the Olympics with pride hoping to see every GB Athlete do well, I'll watch The Ashes, I'll watch England Rugby Union and I'll watch Wimbledon. I don't give a toss about any of these sports aside from when there's national interest at stake. So how come when it comes to my chosen sport is it that I and many others simply can't back the England team? The Scots have been wank for years but they don't seem to have the same issue backing the Scottish national team. In all fairness I do get what you are saying mate. We are perennial under achievers with players who are often grossly overpaid and with all the talk of players looking at playing for England as a chore, maybe due to the press' increscent over hyping our chances at every tournament, the whole thing just becomes a massive turn off. No, sorry - England are not 'under achievers' in any way, shape or form. They are what they deserve to be in the circumstances. As I said earlier in this thread, if you take moderate footballers with moderate talent and add in moderate coaching, you'll inevitably get moderate football. And it's nothing new - it's been going on for decades. So where does this weight of hugely unrealistic expectation come from, other than from some warped form of blind patriotism? And replacing the manager/coaching set up won't change anything - at least it hasn't since before 1966, so why should it now? You are right about the press over hyping both the quality of the players and, consequently, the teams chances at major tournaments, which is mostly created by the commercial requirement and financial opportunities of so doing. It doesn't help but at least some people are seeing through it now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 14, 2015 14:29:38 GMT
Nope. Look at the attacking players we have, they are good attacking footballers who are stunted by a conservative manager who plays with conservative tactics. We should be better than what we are with the players we have going forward. Our youth sides over the years have consistently done well, the issues come later in their development. Why can't we keep possession then The manager? Look at us.....Hughes with the same group of players got them playing a possession game after lots of people (including) Stoke fans thought they couldn't pass wind. Like I always said when it came to Ryan and Huth, you don't graduate from the Man Yoo and Chelsea academies without being able to pass a football!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 14:33:19 GMT
Here we go again. England are playing and all the haters will soon be out in force. Looking forward to the first "come on Slovenia" shout,which won't be too far away. Why don't all you turncoat,mercenaries go and do something with the missus and let the fans who want to get behind our national team,regardless of how shit we might be,do so without listening to your bile. Laughable post , after reading your thoughts on our women's national team this is just hysterical , your opinions are your own and although I don't agree on the women's game to have a little hissy fit on "patrism" is down rite pathetic and massively hypercritical ! I don't get women's football,it means nowt to me,but I don't actively want another team to beat ours. It's a shit example to use to try and belittle me because the women's game means very little to most male football fans. It isn't about "patrism",whatever the fuck that is It's about all the so called football fans who want England to lose games and cheer for the opposition because they don't like some of the squad or the manager doesn't pick players that they think should be involved,or because they have given up on us due to the fact that England keep letting them down. As other people have said in this thread,it's this fucked up way of thinking that has seen us slagging the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd glory hunters off for years.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 14, 2015 14:34:24 GMT
You're not comparing apples with apples mate. A lot of people have become disenfranchised with overhyped, over paid, underperforming footballers led by people who are clearly not good enough but keep getting rewarded for failure with multi million pound contracts. I don't disagree with that either mate Trouble is we are just not good enough and are no more than a Poland/Ukraine at best so why people say they are built up at international level is utter bollocks as they no longer are It's in their minds I still think they are built up, I really do. True, sensible footy fans see through it but it's there. People say there is too much expectation, I think that's crap. We're a massive footballing nation yet to only win one major trophy is shameful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 14:35:56 GMT
I want hodgson to fail badly , I loath his sniffling hypocrisy and the fa in general , I hope we lose ! There ya go! Ever likely you got all stroppy and defensive at my earlier post. Truth hurts doesn't it turncoat?
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Post by damagedswan on Jun 14, 2015 14:38:28 GMT
I don't hate England, I just literally can't see anything about its current incarnation worth getting excited about. I don't really like any of the players. Hart, Baines, and Milner seem like nice blokes but that's about it. Edit-I can handle shit teams, I wouldn't stop supporting Stoke if we got relegated for example; but there's just something really dislikable about this lot. It's cliquey. I boo most of this lot every week during the season. Struggle to turn this dislike into genuine support. this is an interesting post. i wonder if stoke fans find themselves more unenthused by england than other premier league fanbases. our fans do tend to have a siege mentality where pretty much anyone that plays against us cops it, not that thats a bad thing at all. maybe we just hate the rest of the league too much to enjoy supporting them when they put on an england shirt? i personally love supporting england. euro 96 is my first football memory, and cos im from the south england games are usually the only matches i watch where me and any of my mates are ever supporting the same team.
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Post by bmstoke on Jun 14, 2015 14:39:30 GMT
I remember when we got knocked out of the 98 tournament I was in such a foul mood I hardly spoke to anyone for 2 days.
Last year I just thought fuck it, at least I can watch another 3 weeks of football without England stinking the place out and boring the rest of the world to tears.
I'll carry on watching the cricket this afternoon.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jun 14, 2015 14:45:31 GMT
I want hodgson to fail badly , I loath his sniffling hypocrisy and the fa in general , I hope we lose ! There ya go! Ever likely you got all stroppy and defensive at my earlier post. Truth hurts doesn't it turncoat? Hardly ☺️ , I don't give a flying fuck about our national men's team and hope we lose for comedy value , only when it dawns on the dinosaurs at fa hq that our coaching ethos ceased to be effective around 1974 can we move forward , I hope we fail so we finally move forward , if we don't we don't I won't loose any sleep ! Edit : patriotism ☺️
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