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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 12:37:38 GMT
I take that as "oh fuck you're actually right" sort of response. And 3. 3? Idle sod -what did you do for the rest of the week? Moan about things that didn't meet your expectations? Made Geoff Cameron in my mould......a fucking awful right back!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:35:10 GMT
He was the obvious weak link again mate. He needs upgrading sharpish. The rest of the team were brilliant. Glenn had an excellent game, Tom. His positional play was superb and he broke up many a Liverpool attack which allowed us to counter attack. If only he could pass the ball.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:37:36 GMT
Just to he clear, are we blaming Geoff for Muni pulling up with his hamstring?
Also, what mark are we giving to Phil "he's definitely replacing Cameron" Bardsley?
It's funny how those bunch of posters have gone quiet or changed their tune.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 13:40:39 GMT
Just the 92% completion rate for Glenn 'if only he could pass' Whelan. Joint highest on the park.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2015 13:46:53 GMT
Just to he clear, are we blaming Geoff for Muni pulling up with his hamstring? Also, what mark are we giving to Phil "he's definitely replacing Cameron" Bardsley? It's funny how those bunch of posters have gone quiet or changed their tune. What are you on about? Hughes DID replace Cameron with Bardsley exactly like we said he would, it was you who said that he wouldn't. And as it's turned out Bardsley isn't good enough there either, exactly like we suggested he wouldn't be before he'd even kicked a ball for us. We STILL need a new right back now, just like we needed one at the start of the season. Even you yourself have finally come to that conclusion recently.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:47:15 GMT
Just the 92% completion rate for Glenn 'if only he could pass' Whelan. Joint highest on the park. It wouldn't surprise me if Glennda registered 100% for simple sideways or backwards passes. It's just when he attempts anything more complicated that he makes himself look like a lad who's won a raffle.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 13:47:48 GMT
Just the 92% completion rate for Glenn 'if only he could pass' Whelan. Joint highest on the park. It wouldn't surprise me if Glennda registered 100% for simple sideways or backwards passes. It's just when he attempts anything more complicated that he makes himself look like a lad who's won a raffle. Do I really have to explain holding midfielders to you again?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:48:04 GMT
Just to he clear, are we blaming Geoff for Muni pulling up with his hamstring? Also, what mark are we giving to Phil "he's definitely replacing Cameron" Bardsley? It's funny how those bunch of posters have gone quiet or changed their tune. What are you on about? Hughes DID replace Cameron with Bardsley exactly like we said he would, it was you who said that he wouldn't. And as it's turned out Bardsley isn't good enough there either, exactly like we suggested he wouldn't be before he'd even kicked a ball for us. We STILL need a new right back now, just like we needed one at the start of the season. Even you yourself have finally come to that conclusion recently. We need to replace Phil, not Cameron. It's a pretty simple concept, even for you mate.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:48:55 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if Glennda registered 100% for simple sideways or backwards passes. It's just when he attempts anything more complicated that he makes himself look like a lad who's won a raffle. Do I really have to explain holding midfielders to you again? It's ok mate, I've seen Cattermole play. So has Hughes by the looks of things too. He'll more than likely be back in for him again over the summer.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2015 13:50:57 GMT
What are you on about? Hughes DID replace Cameron with Bardsley exactly like we said he would, it was you who said that he wouldn't. And as it's turned out Bardsley isn't good enough there either, exactly like we suggested he wouldn't be before he'd even kicked a ball for us. We STILL need a new right back now, just like we needed one at the start of the season. Even you yourself have finally come to that conclusion recently. We need to replace Phil, not Cameron. It's a pretty simple concept, even for you mate. Yeah it's a simple concept - neither are good enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:52:02 GMT
We need to replace Phil, not Cameron. It's a pretty simple concept, even for you mate. Yeah it's a simple concept - neither are good enough. Was last season our best in around 40 years? And this season even better?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 13:52:53 GMT
Do I really have to explain holding midfielders to you again? It's ok mate, I've seen Cattermole play. So has Hughes by the looks of things too. He'll more than likely be back in for him again over the summer. So Cattermole, when he's playing as the holding midfielder, doesn't pass it backwards and sideways? He's a good player and an upgrade on Whelan but when he plays in front of the back four, that's largely what he does. Most of them do. I don't see Cattermole going anywhere this summer.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 13:53:20 GMT
Yeah it's a simple concept - neither are good enough. Was last season our best in around 40 years? And this season even better? No need to sign anyone then eh shag?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:56:05 GMT
It's ok mate, I've seen Cattermole play. So has Hughes by the looks of things too. He'll more than likely be back in for him again over the summer. So Cattermole, when he's playing as the holding midfielder, doesn't pass it backwards and sideways? He's a good player and an upgrade on Whelan but when he plays in front of the back four, that's largely what he does. Most of them do. I don't see Cattermole going anywhere this summer. He can pass it forward too, and create chances. As he did at The Brit and many other games. Whelan hasn't got a creative pass in him. You can argue the point that it's not his job but a midfielder will always have to have that in his locker, whether attacking or defensive minded. Glennda hasn't. He doesn't even protect the back 4 any more. Giving away stupid free kicks that lead to goals and not marking the front post at corners aren't great traits of a player supposedly in the team for "protection".
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2015 13:56:30 GMT
Yeah it's a simple concept - neither are good enough. Was last season our best in around 40 years? And this season even better? But that doesn't apply to Whelan? You really do want to have it both ways don't you? How can you say you'll back whatever decision the manager makes, when he clearly brought in a new right back last summer to replace Cameron? If he'd rated him then he wouldn't have done that would he? He got the first bit right, where he went wrong, was bringing Bardsley in as his replacement.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:58:42 GMT
Was last season our best in around 40 years? And this season even better? But that doesn't apply to Whelan? You really do want to have it both ways don't you? How can you say you'll back whatever decision the manager makes, when he clearly brought in a new right back last summer to replace Cameron? If he'd rated him then he wouldn't have done that would he? He got the first bit right, where he went wrong, was bringing Bardsley as his replacement. I do back the manager. It's a nice juicy contract he's just given to Geoff "he's nowhere near good enough" Cameron. As for Whelan, he's ok, but we can do better. We can do better than Cameron of course as well, and pretty much every other player in the squad. I think we have more to gain by upgrading Glennda than Geoff though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 13:59:15 GMT
So Cattermole, when he's playing as the holding midfielder, doesn't pass it backwards and sideways? He's a good player and an upgrade on Whelan but when he plays in front of the back four, that's largely what he does. Most of them do. I don't see Cattermole going anywhere this summer. He can pass it forward too, and create chances. As he did at The Brit and many other games. Whelan hasn't got a creative pass in him. You can argue the point that it's not his job but a midfielder will always have to have that in his locker, whether attacking or defensive minded. Glennda hasn't. He doesn't even protect the back 4 any more. Giving away stupid free kicks that lead to goals and not marking the front post at corners aren't great traits of a player supposedly in the team for "protection". A grand total of zero assists for the season. He protected the back four expertly yesterday. He sits in and tidies up. Nobody recovered the ball more times or made more interceptions. Charlie Adam underlined what he does for the team in his interview with the Independent yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:00:50 GMT
He can pass it forward too, and create chances. As he did at The Brit and many other games. Whelan hasn't got a creative pass in him. You can argue the point that it's not his job but a midfielder will always have to have that in his locker, whether attacking or defensive minded. Glennda hasn't. He doesn't even protect the back 4 any more. Giving away stupid free kicks that lead to goals and not marking the front post at corners aren't great traits of a player supposedly in the team for "protection". A grand total of zero assists for the season. He protected the back four expertly yesterday. He sits in and tidies up. Nobody recovered the ball more times or made more interceptions. Charlie Adam underlined what he does for the team in his interview with the Independent yesterday. As you often bang the drum though mate, stats don't tell the whole story. If he creates chances and the forwards don't finish, it's hardly his fault. He's played in a miserable team this season and as you rightly say, he's much better than what we have. That's something we agree on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 14:02:11 GMT
Whelan was brilliant yesterday. And putting Whelan on front post duty was stupidity from the manager, he never should have been given that role. Now Diouf has been given it we're a lot better with set pieces so far or so it seems.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2015 14:03:06 GMT
But that doesn't apply to Whelan? You really do want to have it both ways don't you? How can you say you'll back whatever decision the manager makes, when he clearly brought in a new right back last summer to replace Cameron? If he'd rated him then he wouldn't have done that would he? He got the first bit right, where he went wrong, was bringing Bardsley as his replacement. I do back the manager. It's a nice juicy contract he's just given to Geoff "he's nowhere near good enough" Cameron. As for Whelan, he's ok, but we can do better. We can do better than Cameron of course as well, and pretty much every other player in the squad. I think we have more to gain by upgrading Glennda than Geoff though. My order of priority would be. 1. Right back 2. Right wing 3. Defensive mid I guess your three would be the same but in a different order but hey I've got no issue with that at all.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 14:03:18 GMT
A grand total of zero assists for the season. He protected the back four expertly yesterday. He sits in and tidies up. Nobody recovered the ball more times or made more interceptions. Charlie Adam underlined what he does for the team in his interview with the Independent yesterday. As you often bang the drum though mate, stats don't tell the whole story. If he creates chances and the forwards don't finish, it's hardly his fault. He's played in a miserable team this season and as you rightly say, he's much better than what we have. That's something we agree on. I think he's better, but not because he's some creative force. You seem to hate Whelan because he doesn't score or create chances, which seems to me to be like hating the toaster because it won't wash your dishes.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:03:19 GMT
Whelan was brilliant yesterday. And putting Whelan on front post duty was stupidity from the manager, he never should have been given that role. Now Diouf has been given it we're a lot better with set pieces so far or so it seems. He's 6ft+. Is he just not very good at reading the game?
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Post by StokeAz on May 25, 2015 14:03:58 GMT
Bit late but, Begovic 7 didn't have much to deal with but made an outstanding block but conceded Cameron 8 his best performance of the season, fast on the break but scared to run earlier in the game Shawcross 10 out strengthed all their players and made an almost perfect performance, very safe on the ball but I think it was him that lost out to lambert in the air... Could he have dealt with it better? Still, his overall performance gets my motm Muniesa 9 fast cb that we've desperately needed and missed this season, another great performance but a couple of unnecessary clearances to be picky Pieters 10 lallana couldn't get past him, he was just a rock today with very high confidence going into next season Whelan 7 messed around on the ball sometimes which got him the booking but calm on the ball, maybe too calm. Accurate passing after a slow start Nzonzi 10 skill and strength topped by a delicious curler out of mignolet's reach, outstanding performance and controlled the midfield Adam 8 scored a great goal and did some very good long passes to set us on the attack again in the second half, almost made a dreadful pass back mistake though Arnie 9 great runs down the wing and bagged two assists, crosses weren't great at first and took a while to settle, after that emre can couldn't cope with his speed Walters 7 did his job and scored his average kind of goal, was always waiting in the right place causing defenders difficulty Diouf 10 scored 2 goals in 2 shots and wasn't greedy when on for a hat trick, sometimes needs to shoot more and may get 5 or more on top per season
Crouch 8 a great header breaking the record, didn't do a lot else though Odemwingie 7 had a great shot saved and looked fast and ready at the end, showed signs of the plyer he was last season for us Wilson 6 could have dealt with chances better, sometimes did risky things in defence and didn't look comfortable, needs to go in the summer. Wasn't on long enough to get any higher for his contribution...
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 14:06:36 GMT
Whelan was brilliant yesterday. And putting Whelan on front post duty was stupidity from the manager, he never should have been given that role. Now Diouf has been given it we're a lot better with set pieces so far or so it seems. He's 6ft+. Is he just not very good at reading the game? Is he fuck 6 foot!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:08:12 GMT
I do back the manager. It's a nice juicy contract he's just given to Geoff "he's nowhere near good enough" Cameron. As for Whelan, he's ok, but we can do better. We can do better than Cameron of course as well, and pretty much every other player in the squad. I think we have more to gain by upgrading Glennda than Geoff though. My order of priority would be. 1. Right back 2. Right wing 3. Defensive mid I guess your three would be the same but in a different order but hey I've got no issue with that at all. Yeah, I'd go DM, winger then RB mate. I would have added a forward a few months ago but Diouf has massively proved me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:08:41 GMT
He's 6ft+. Is he just not very good at reading the game? Is he fuck 6 foot! Really?
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 14:09:22 GMT
According to Squawka, Cattermole has created less chances than Whelan this season...
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 14:11:22 GMT
Is he fuck 6 foot! Really? Whelan? I'd go 5ft 10" if I was feeling generous. And he's not renowned for his heading prowess is he? Crouch and KJ have took that role before, there was no way Whelan should have been doing it. Diouf makes way more sense, he's got a heck of a leap on him.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:11:35 GMT
According to Squawka, Cattermole has created less chances than Whelan this season... Less than zero?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:12:30 GMT
Whelan? I'd go 5ft 10" if I was feeling generous. And he's not renowned for his heading prowess is he? Crouch and KJ have took that role before, there was no way Whelan should have been doing it. Diouf makes way more sense, he's got a heck of a leap on him. My mate, far right, is 6ft 2. Maybe Glennda has shrunk in the last few years? I'm 5ft 10.
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