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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:27:56 GMT
Ever likely he struggles, playing with a giant right arm and tiny left arm.........
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 9:28:58 GMT
Not going to make many more 'lovers' when you keep giving the ball away and get away with a stonewall pen as well...
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 25, 2015 9:34:15 GMT
Whelan 6?! Now I know you're taking the piss... He was the obvious weak link again mate. He needs upgrading sharpish. The rest of the team were brilliant. Glenn had an excellent game, Tom. His positional play was superb and he broke up many a Liverpool attack which allowed us to counter attack.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 9:53:57 GMT
It should never have been passed to him! Awful from Diouf, he had to be greedy and then great defending like you say...... And who created the chance in the 1st place? Cameron pressed superbly, nicked the ball off Allen(?) and played Diouf in with a decent through ball. Now I'm hardly Cameron's biggest fan but it's amazing how some people only concentrate on the mistakes and not the positives............ I can't remember where it came from! Geoff was dreadful all game though. His passing was atrocious (his first touch of the game was crap and then his second was a tackle that he lost and that summed his game up and set the tone for his day). I thought he'd have a blinder due to my rantings but he was utterly appalling.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:56:20 GMT
And who created the chance in the 1st place? Cameron pressed superbly, nicked the ball off Allen(?) and played Diouf in with a decent through ball. Now I'm hardly Cameron's biggest fan but it's amazing how some people only concentrate on the mistakes and not the positives............ I can't remember where it came from! Geoff was dreadful all game though. His passing was atrocious (his first touch of the game was crap and then his second was a tackle that he lost and that summed his game up). I thought he'd have a blinder due to my rantings but he was utterly appalling. Amazing how you can't remember that it was excellent work from Cameron yet you remember every one of his mistakes. You don't like Cameron I get that, but giving him 4/10 is just plain stupid............
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Post by nutterpotter on May 25, 2015 9:58:54 GMT
Bego 8
Cameron 6 Shawcross 7 Muni 7 Pieters 7
N'Zonzi 10 Whelan 9
Walters 7 Adam 8 Arnie 8
Diouf 9
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 9:59:54 GMT
I can't remember where it came from! Geoff was dreadful all game though. His passing was atrocious (his first touch of the game was crap and then his second was a tackle that he lost and that summed his game up). I thought he'd have a blinder due to my rantings but he was utterly appalling. Amazing how you can't remember that it was excellent work from Cameron yet you remember every one of his mistakes. You don't like Cameron I get that, but giving him 4/10 is just plain stupid............ How? Is being at fault for a goal where he just watched Stevie G run in and being awful at passing all day, giving the ball at every chance he could and he should have gave away a penalty worth anything more than a 5? I don't like Geoff but he was bloody awful irrespective of pre-judgements yesterday. I don't know how anyone can't see it! Having seen the goal again I'd bump Shawcross down to a 6, I thought it was dreadful from him too!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 10:06:14 GMT
Amazing how you can't remember that it was excellent work from Cameron yet you remember every one of his mistakes. You don't like Cameron I get that, but giving him 4/10 is just plain stupid............ How? Is being at fault for a goal where he just watched Stevie G run in and being awful at passing all day, giving the ball at every chance he could and he should have gave away a penalty worth anything more than a 5? I don't like Geoff but he was bloody awful irrespective of pre-judgements yesterday. I don't know how anyone can't see it! Having seen the goal again I'd bump Shawcross down to a 6, I thought it was dreadful from him too! You fail to mention Muniesa pulling his hamstring when he was just a couple of yards from Gerrard I see.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 10:10:02 GMT
How? Is being at fault for a goal where he just watched Stevie G run in and being awful at passing all day, giving the ball at every chance he could and he should have gave away a penalty worth anything more than a 5? I don't like Geoff but he was bloody awful irrespective of pre-judgements yesterday. I don't know how anyone can't see it! Having seen the goal again I'd bump Shawcross down to a 6, I thought it was dreadful from him too! You fail to mention Muniesa pulling his hamstring when he was just a couple of yards from Gerrard I see....... Because that is something he can help! Geoff was ahead of Gerrard and was looking directly at him before Lambert won the header, he had to go with. Muni would have got him if it wasn't for his damn hamstring but Geoff had to go too but he just ambled like he does. The press are even suggesting (seriously, which I don't buy) that we let him score! That's how good it was.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 10:22:10 GMT
You fail to mention Muniesa pulling his hamstring when he was just a couple of yards from Gerrard I see....... Because that is something he can help! Geoff was ahead of Gerrard and was looking directly at him before Lambert won the header, he had to go with. Muni would have got him if it wasn't for his damn hamstring but Geoff had to go too but he just ambled like he does. The press are even suggesting (seriously, which I don't buy) that we let him score! That's how good it was. So just so I'm clear Gerrard picked up the ball in an inside right position, in between Pieters and Muniesa, yet Cameron furthest away at right full back should have intervened and was to blame for the goal? Not buying it.........
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Post by mrcoke on May 25, 2015 10:23:43 GMT
I sympathize with the view that after winning 6-1 against top class opposition the old maxim "comparisons are odious" does come to mind.
I find it galling that some people then hand out a 4 and start arguing over individual performances.
I'm just happy to celebrate a great victory. I'm an oldie who knows you should cherish such events in life as they "dunna" come along often enough.
P.S. Don't believe all the rubbish about how bad Liverpool were; that's their excuse for being taken apart by a team who were superb and didn't let them get started, just as they didn't let Spurs or Arsenal get started at the Brit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 10:52:09 GMT
Because that is something he can help! Geoff was ahead of Gerrard and was looking directly at him before Lambert won the header, he had to go with. Muni would have got him if it wasn't for his damn hamstring but Geoff had to go too but he just ambled like he does. The press are even suggesting (seriously, which I don't buy) that we let him score! That's how good it was. So just so I'm clear Gerrard picked up the ball in an inside right position, in between Pieters and Muniesa, yet Cameron furthest away at right full back should have intervened and was to blame for the goal? Not buying it......... Not being funny but Gerrard runs within about 2 yards of Geoff, he has to go with...... And the balls lands if anything in between where Ryan should be and Muni, that's why Geoff has to cover as well as clearly seeing Gerrard breaking through. It was clever from Ryan, it wasn't clever from Ryan, Muni was injured which isn't clever for long term!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 10:56:49 GMT
So just so I'm clear Gerrard picked up the ball in an inside right position, in between Pieters and Muniesa, yet Cameron furthest away at right full back should have intervened and was to blame for the goal? Not buying it......... Not being funny but Gerrard runs within about 2 yards of Geoff, he has to go with...... And the balls lands if anything in between where Ryan should be and Muni, that's why Geoff has to cover as well as clearly seeing Gerrard breaking through. It was clever from Ryan, it wasn't clever from Ryan, Muni was injured which isn't clever for long term! Why didn't Pieters track the run? You could argue all 4 were caught napping but of course you highlight Cameron. I'm not arsed anyway, I'll back Hughes judgement on Cameron all day long and you can stick to calling everyonr shit.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:00:36 GMT
Not being funny but Gerrard runs within about 2 yards of Geoff, he has to go with...... And the balls lands if anything in between where Ryan should be and Muni, that's why Geoff has to cover as well as clearly seeing Gerrard breaking through. It was clever from Ryan, it wasn't clever from Ryan, Muni was injured which isn't clever for long term! Why didn't Pieters track the run? You could argue all 4 were caught napping but of course you highlight Cameron. I'm not arsed anyway, I'll back Hughes judgement on Cameron all day long and you can stick to calling everyonr shit......... Are you taking the piss? There's two defenders in between Pieters and Gerrard! I've highlighted Cameron and Shawcross, it was awful from Ryan too but what you've said is just wrong, the ball wasn't in between Pieters and Muni, Cameron wasn't the furthest away from Gerrard, he was in fact the closest to him and had to see it and track it. But he was great and didn't make any mistakes all game.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 11:07:11 GMT
Why didn't Pieters track the run? You could argue all 4 were caught napping but of course you highlight Cameron. I'm not arsed anyway, I'll back Hughes judgement on Cameron all day long and you can stick to calling everyonr shit......... Are you taking the piss? There's two defenders in between Pieters and Gerrard! I've highlighted Cameron and Shawcross, it was awful from Ryan too but what you've said is just wrong, the ball wasn't in between Pieters and Muni, Cameron wasn't the furthest away from Gerrard, he was in fact the closest to him and had to see it and track it. But he was great and didn't make any mistakes all game. Gerrard ran into an inside right position, Pieters is a left back and was arguably in no mans land. Debating who was at fault for the goal we conceded in a 6-1 spanking feels a bit daft on a Bank Holiday Monday so we'll agree to disagree shall we.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:10:50 GMT
Are you taking the piss? There's two defenders in between Pieters and Gerrard! I've highlighted Cameron and Shawcross, it was awful from Ryan too but what you've said is just wrong, the ball wasn't in between Pieters and Muni, Cameron wasn't the furthest away from Gerrard, he was in fact the closest to him and had to see it and track it. But he was great and didn't make any mistakes all game. Gerrard ran into an inside right position, Pieters is a left back and was arguably in no mans land. Debating who was at fault for the goal we conceded in a 6-1 spanking feels a bit daft on a Bank Holiday Monday so we'll agree to disagree shall we......... He never gets on the outside of Muni! Pieters is nothing to do with this, it goes where Shawcross should be on the inside of Muni. Pieters is standing at left back with a fellow defender in between him and the ball. Geoff has to cover for the centre back on his side to fill that void left. And like I've said, I think Ryan should win that header.
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Post by Davef on May 25, 2015 11:19:53 GMT
So Ryan's (or any other Stoke defender for that matter) got to win every single header has he? He's got to have a 100% headed clearance rate?
We're talking about a goal here scored by a player who's turned that kind of goal into an art form, though it probably wouldn't have been scored had Muniesa not pulled up.
Lampard scored a similar trademark goal yesterday, finding space in the 18 yard box despite being surrounded by good defenders.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 25, 2015 11:23:44 GMT
So Ryan's (or any other Stoke defender for that matter) got to win every single header has he? He's got to have a 100% headed clearance rate? We're talking about a goal here scored by a player who's turned that kind of goal into an art form, though it probably wouldn't have been scored had Muniesa not pulled up. Lampard scored a similar trademark goal yesterday, finding space in the 18 yard box despite being surrounded by good defenders. I do think some need to find a different hobby because if as a Stoke fan you can not simply soak up and enjoy yesterday and the whole damn season and where we are at, then one does have to wonder? A select few on here are turning in to those nutters that appear on Arsenal TV
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:26:18 GMT
So Ryan's (or any other Stoke defender for that matter) got to win every single header has he? He's got to have a 100% headed clearance rate? We're talking about a goal here scored by a player who's turned that kind of goal into an art form, though it probably wouldn't have been scored had Muniesa not pulled up. Lampard scored a similar trademark goal yesterday, finding space in the 18 yard box despite being surrounded by good defenders. I expect Ryan to win most headers yes! He usually does actually.... And we're talking about a player who is well past his best and has been pretty dreadful all season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:26:59 GMT
So Ryan's (or any other Stoke defender for that matter) got to win every single header has he? He's got to have a 100% headed clearance rate? We're talking about a goal here scored by a player who's turned that kind of goal into an art form, though it probably wouldn't have been scored had Muniesa not pulled up. Lampard scored a similar trademark goal yesterday, finding space in the 18 yard box despite being surrounded by good defenders. I do think some need to find a different hobby because if as a Stoke fan you can not simply soak up and enjoy yesterday and the whole damn season and where we are at, then one does have to wonder? A select few on here are turning in to those nutters that appear on Arsenal TV Whose not enjoying it? I loved it, not getting a clean sheet was annoying mind!
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Post by thehoof on May 25, 2015 11:36:31 GMT
Bayern, I like reading most of your comments, but why are you ending the season by being a muppet? The goal is a result of Muniesa's hamstring giving up , or a bad attack of the cramp. If you want to look further than that, then Ryan's attempt at heading it clear was not great, but you can't win every header, then we could ask why the defensive midfielder (Glen) was not bothering to track Gerrard's run, but in your world it's actually Cameron's fault? Come on, try and look past your loathing of Cameron as a player, otherwise you are just doing yourself a disservice. There were were plenty of things that Cameron didn't execute well today, but it's pretty ludicrous to blame him for the goal!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:42:29 GMT
Bayern, I like reading most of your comments, but why are you ending the season by being a muppet? The goal is a result of Muniesa's hamstring giving up , or a bad attack of the cramp. If you want to look further than that, then Ryan's attempt at heading it clear was not great, but you can't win every header, then we could ask why the defensive midfielder (Glen) was not bothering to track Gerrard's run, but in your world it's actually Cameron's fault? Come on, try and look past your loathing of Cameron as a player, otherwise you are just doing yourself a disservice. There were were plenty of things that Cameron didn't execute well today, but it's pretty ludicrous to blame him for the goal! So Gerrard runs right past the right back (it's there for everyone to see in the photo, the bloke by Cameron is Stevie G) and he shouldn't go with him? I'm sorry but that's just rubbish. I've had a go at Ryan, I thought he was bit poor all game! He's not bothering because the right back who is 2 yards away from him should have him covered...... The picture shows how close Cameron was to him and that he should have tracked him.
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Post by thehoof on May 25, 2015 11:49:26 GMT
Bayern, Can I ask, how many days did it take you to create the world?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:51:14 GMT
Bayern, Can I ask, how many days did it take you to create the world? I take that as "oh fuck you're actually right" sort of response. And 3.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 25, 2015 11:52:02 GMT
Bego 10 Cameron 10 Pieters 10 Muni 10 Ryan 10 Whelan 10 N'zonzi 10 Adam 10 Arnie 10 Diouf 10 SJW 10 Wilson 10 Crouch 10 Oddie 10 How the fuck anyone can criticise ANY of the team over yesterdays performance is a fucking joke. Gouranga.
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Post by Davef on May 25, 2015 11:55:04 GMT
So Ryan's (or any other Stoke defender for that matter) got to win every single header has he? He's got to have a 100% headed clearance rate? We're talking about a goal here scored by a player who's turned that kind of goal into an art form, though it probably wouldn't have been scored had Muniesa not pulled up. Lampard scored a similar trademark goal yesterday, finding space in the 18 yard box despite being surrounded by good defenders. I expect Ryan to win most headers yes! He usually does actually.... And we're talking about a player who is well past his best and has been pretty dreadful all season. That was Gerrard's 13th goal of the campaign. Not bad for a pretty dreadful season.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 11:56:51 GMT
I expect Ryan to win most headers yes! He usually does actually.... And we're talking about a player who is well past his best and has been pretty dreadful all season. That was Gerrard's 13th goal of the campaign. Not bad for a pretty dreadful season. Everyone's shit according to bayern, he should apply for the vacant West Ham job a Premier League club is crying out for his insight and expertise........
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 11:57:56 GMT
I expect Ryan to win most headers yes! He usually does actually.... And we're talking about a player who is well past his best and has been pretty dreadful all season. That was Gerrard's 13th goal of the campaign. Not bad for a pretty dreadful season. It was no coincidence that they got better when he was dropped for the game vs us at Anfield. He's then come back in and they've steadily got worse ending in yesterday's capitulation. I like this quote "Especially given Liverpool have lost Luis Suárez, been largely without Daniel Sturridge, and have seen Steven Gerrard coming out much the worse from a crunching challenge with Father Time."
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 12:19:41 GMT
That was Gerrard's 13th goal of the campaign. Not bad for a pretty dreadful season. Everyone's shit according to bayern, he should apply for the vacant West Ham job a Premier League club is crying out for his insight and expertise........ Or as most people in world football seem to agree, Gerrard is a bit past it and hasn't been playing that well, that might be it actually!
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Post by thehoof on May 25, 2015 12:35:25 GMT
Bayern, Can I ask, how many days did it take you to create the world? I take that as "oh fuck you're actually right" sort of response. And 3. 3? Idle sod -what did you do for the rest of the week? Moan about things that didn't meet your expectations?
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