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Post by upthefud on May 24, 2015 23:55:22 GMT
Arnie set up the first two goals and was a threat all day. Pleasure to watch his wing play, few poor decisions in the second half but a solid 9 for setting us on our way. Giving him a 7 is a joke. I've defended Walters all season, he scored and was a nuisance all day but I gave him a 7 too... Still let's all make an issue out of nothing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 24, 2015 23:55:29 GMT
It should never have been passed to him! Awful from Diouf, he had to be greedy and then great defending like you say...... Again Bayern you're looking for an argument and I can't be arsed after an all round fantastic team display. Good defending or not Arnie shouldn't have given him a sniff. It really is that simple That's just a load of owd cobblers!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 23:58:29 GMT
Today was one of the few times I've been a bit frustrated with Arnie. Did some stuff that looked impossible, then buggered up some of the schoolboy stuff. But the chance that 'needed to be buried' in truth was a poor ball from Diouf which gave him no chance of scoring. I'd still have paid the admission fee just to watch him today though. The six goals were a bonus.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 0:00:12 GMT
Today was one of the few times I've been a bit frustrated with Arnie. Did some stuff that looked impossible, then buggered up some of the schoolboy stuff. But the chance that 'needed to be buried' in truth was a poor ball from Diouf which gave him no chance of scoring. I'd still have paid the admission fee just to watch him today though. The six goals were a bonus. He pissed me off to high heaven in the second half it has to be said but he was still sublime!
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Post by ukcstokie on May 25, 2015 0:00:24 GMT
The first poster to rate Arnie less than 8/10. Quelle surpise. You only gave him an 8, we're hardly miles apart are we? 7 is above average but reflects on some poor final balls in the latter stages of the game and a chance that although was well blocked really needed to be buried. Some posters just look for shit that simply isn't there, a little bit sad really. When you tried outing me before I was more than happy to congratulate Arnie after a fantastic display, I see you weren't quite so quick to show up after the Swansea and Burnley games... It was a very good performance from Arnie. Closer to a 9 really - only let down by some poor final balls in the second half. Personally I don't criticise players - especially where there is a core of our fans who are on a player's case. Arnie wasn't particularly poor if I remember in those games. I can see when Arnie is poor - and he was pretty much dog shit for the first part of the season, but he was very good today. Very good.
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Post by upthefud on May 25, 2015 0:09:22 GMT
You only gave him an 8, we're hardly miles apart are we? 7 is above average but reflects on some poor final balls in the latter stages of the game and a chance that although was well blocked really needed to be buried. Some posters just look for shit that simply isn't there, a little bit sad really. When you tried outing me before I was more than happy to congratulate Arnie after a fantastic display, I see you weren't quite so quick to show up after the Swansea and Burnley games... It was a very good performance from Arnie. Closer to a 9 really - only let down by some poor final balls in the second half. Personally I don't criticise players - especially where there is a core of our fans who are on a player's case. Arnie wasn't particularly poor if I remember in those games. I can see when Arnie is poor - and he was pretty much dog shit for the first part of the season, but he was very good today. Very good. Well I would disagree, him and Walters were stand out poor at Swansea and at Burnley he blended in in a woeful attacking display. You may not criticise players but you're particularly touchy about Arnie and seem to want to take a lot of that frustration out on me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest but if you are prepared to stick your neck out and try to gloat after a good performance you should at least be man enough to stand up and say when he's been poor. You'll never catch me gloating on here so maybe we have different morals. And as for today I think Arnie was very good in an excellent first half and I completely agree with the final balls and that chance letting him down. That skill against Toure was world class then the ball across the box was feeble. I think his performance warrants a 7 and my opinion certainly isn't as outrageous as the suggestion that Cameron was a 4, but look who you chose to highlight.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 0:12:49 GMT
It was a very good performance from Arnie. Closer to a 9 really - only let down by some poor final balls in the second half. Personally I don't criticise players - especially where there is a core of our fans who are on a player's case. Arnie wasn't particularly poor if I remember in those games. I can see when Arnie is poor - and he was pretty much dog shit for the first part of the season, but he was very good today. Very good. Well I would disagree, him and Walters were stand out poor at Swansea and at Burnley he blended in in a woeful attacking display. You may not criticise players but you're particularly touchy about Arnie and seem to want to take a lot of that frustration out on me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest but if you are prepared to stick your neck out and try to gloat after a good performance you should at least be man enough to stand up and say when he's been poor. You'll never catch me gloating on here so maybe we have different morals. And as for today I think Arnie was very good in an excellent first half and I completely agree with the final balls and that chance letting him down. That skill against Toure was world class then the ball across the box was feeble. I think his performance warrants a 7 and my opinion certainly isn't as outrageous as the suggestion that Cameron was a 4, but look who you chose to highlight. A full back who was dreadful with the ball at his feet, was at fault for a goal and should was it not for an incompetent ref have given away a penalty. A 4 is about right! He was awful.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 25, 2015 0:37:45 GMT
It was a very good performance from Arnie. Closer to a 9 really - only let down by some poor final balls in the second half. Personally I don't criticise players - especially where there is a core of our fans who are on a player's case. Arnie wasn't particularly poor if I remember in those games. I can see when Arnie is poor - and he was pretty much dog shit for the first part of the season, but he was very good today. Very good. Well I would disagree, him and Walters were stand out poor at Swansea and at Burnley he blended in in a woeful attacking display. You may not criticise players but you're particularly touchy about Arnie and seem to want to take a lot of that frustration out on me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest but if you are prepared to stick your neck out and try to gloat after a good performance you should at least be man enough to stand up and say when he's been poor. You'll never catch me gloating on here so maybe we have different morals. And as for today I think Arnie was very good in an excellent first half and I completely agree with the final balls and that chance letting him down. That skill against Toure was world class then the ball across the box was feeble. I think his performance warrants a 7 and my opinion certainly isn't as outrageous as the suggestion that Cameron was a 4, but look who you chose to highlight. Most seem to be giving him a 6.5 or a 7/10 against Burnley (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/244065/player-ratings-jack-cameron-mom). Against Swansea pretty much everyone - but Arnie seems to get a 6 from most people which was one of the higher ratings (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/243500/player-ratings-swansea). So picking out Arnie for criticism in the two games that you highlighted would seem somewhat of a vendetta would it not? I didn't respond to the unduly harsh marks against Cameron as others had picked up on that while I was off line. I've pulled you up on your view of Arnie as quite frankly, some of it is just made up rubbish (7 yard pass was it?) to try and justify your view of him. You seem to pop up on pretty much every Arnie thread with a negative view of the lad - then act all affronted when I (and others) point this out to you. Give him a chance.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 0:44:05 GMT
Well I would disagree, him and Walters were stand out poor at Swansea and at Burnley he blended in in a woeful attacking display. You may not criticise players but you're particularly touchy about Arnie and seem to want to take a lot of that frustration out on me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest but if you are prepared to stick your neck out and try to gloat after a good performance you should at least be man enough to stand up and say when he's been poor. You'll never catch me gloating on here so maybe we have different morals. And as for today I think Arnie was very good in an excellent first half and I completely agree with the final balls and that chance letting him down. That skill against Toure was world class then the ball across the box was feeble. I think his performance warrants a 7 and my opinion certainly isn't as outrageous as the suggestion that Cameron was a 4, but look who you chose to highlight. Most seem to be giving him a 6.5 or a 7/10 against Burnley (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/244065/player-ratings-jack-cameron-mom). Against Swansea pretty much everyone - but Arnie seems to get a 6 from most people which was one of the higher ratings (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/243500/player-ratings-swansea). So picking out Arnie for criticism in the two games that you highlighted would seem somewhat of a vendetta would it not? I didn't respond to the unduly harsh marks against Cameron as others had picked up on that while I was off line. I've pulled you up on your view of Arnie as quite frankly, some of it is just made up rubbish (7 yard pass was it?) to try and justify your view of him. You seem to pop up on pretty much every Arnie thread with a negative view of the lad - then act all affronted when I (and others) point this out to you. Give him a chance. How are they harsh when he was at fault for a goal and should have given away a potential second? That's not above average.
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Post by upthefud on May 25, 2015 0:46:00 GMT
Well I would disagree, him and Walters were stand out poor at Swansea and at Burnley he blended in in a woeful attacking display. You may not criticise players but you're particularly touchy about Arnie and seem to want to take a lot of that frustration out on me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest but if you are prepared to stick your neck out and try to gloat after a good performance you should at least be man enough to stand up and say when he's been poor. You'll never catch me gloating on here so maybe we have different morals. And as for today I think Arnie was very good in an excellent first half and I completely agree with the final balls and that chance letting him down. That skill against Toure was world class then the ball across the box was feeble. I think his performance warrants a 7 and my opinion certainly isn't as outrageous as the suggestion that Cameron was a 4, but look who you chose to highlight. Most seem to be giving him a 6.5 or a 7/10 against Burnley (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/244065/player-ratings-jack-cameron-mom). Against Swansea pretty much everyone - but Arnie seems to get a 6 from most people which was one of the higher ratings (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/243500/player-ratings-swansea). So picking out Arnie for criticism in the two games that you highlighted would seem somewhat of a vendetta would it not? I didn't respond to the unduly harsh marks against Cameron as others had picked up on that while I was off line. I've pulled you up on your view of Arnie as quite frankly, some of it is just made up rubbish (7 yard pass was it?) to try and justify your view of him. You seem to pop up on pretty much every Arnie thread with a negative view of the lad - then act all affronted when I (and others) point this out to you. Give him a chance. This board is very pro-Arnie compared to the ground, it seems anyone who dares say a word against him gets shouted down on here by his fan club. Look at the shit Kev has been getting recently. He's defended more than any other player almost regardless of how he plays. I've given the lad a chance, regardless of what you think I'm more than happy to give him credit when he plays well, but he hasn't played well often enough in two seasons at the club and he's not a patch on Moses. I don't want to get drawn into this debate when he's played well because it's asking for trouble and I've explained why I've given him a 7 and that for me is a good performance. He played well today and that's that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2015 0:47:35 GMT
That's simply a lie!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 0:51:10 GMT
Bego 8
Cameron 5.5 Shawcross 8 Muniesa 7.5 Pieters 8
N'zonzi 10 MOTM Whelan 8
SJW 7 Adam 9 Arnie 9.5 (final ball the only slight knock on some occasions)
Diouf 9
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Post by redwhite on May 25, 2015 1:14:39 GMT
So Arnie gets 3 assists (technically 2 but it's fair enough to say that he created Diouf's first goal) and you rate him a 7. Suppose it shouldn't surprise me.
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Post by kurt on May 25, 2015 8:03:09 GMT
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Post by 2004 on May 25, 2015 8:39:11 GMT
10 for everyone
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Post by mattador78 on May 25, 2015 8:48:55 GMT
They were all great no matter how its argued a complete performance all-round, and if you watch the replay for gerrards goal its munis hamstring at fault otherwise he would have had him and Geoff was covering a pass across
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Post by upthefud on May 25, 2015 8:52:57 GMT
That's just a load of owd cobblers! Bayern, since you're so keen to get involved in this thread and make something out of nothing I'll offer you a way in. Do you still honestly think Coutihno is one of the stand out players in the league?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 8:57:29 GMT
You only gave him an 8, we're hardly miles apart are we? 7 is above average but reflects on some poor final balls in the latter stages of the game and a chance that although was well blocked really needed to be buried. Some posters just look for shit that simply isn't there, a little bit sad really. When you tried outing me before I was more than happy to congratulate Arnie after a fantastic display, I see you weren't quite so quick to show up after the Swansea and Burnley games... It should never have been passed to him! Awful from Diouf, he had to be greedy and then great defending like you say...... And who created the chance in the 1st place? Cameron pressed superbly, nicked the ball off Allen(?) and played Diouf in with a decent through ball. Now I'm hardly Cameron's biggest fan but it's amazing how some people only concentrate on the mistakes and not the positives............
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 25, 2015 9:05:50 GMT
It should never have been passed to him! Awful from Diouf, he had to be greedy and then great defending like you say...... And who created the chance in the 1st place? Cameron pressed superbly, nicked the ball off Allen(?) and played Diouf in with a decent through ball. Now I'm hardly Cameron's biggest fan but it's amazing how some people only concentrate on the mistakes and not the positives............ Cameron a 4 is just nonsense. Muniesa was the issue with the goal. There was no penalty given so how you can criticise Cameron for something that didn't happen, and may not even be correct, is a mystery and from my view, Lallana may have been offside. Ibe run him ragged you say but it appears didn't create anyhting and several times Geoff covered the man Ibe beat to close down the danger. We ahve few players who could have made the break second half. I agree with the management, a new 3 year contract is well deserved for a player who has now played 99 games in one of the Premier League's strongest defences outside the top group. Criticise him as you wish but evidence suggests he contributes
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:07:37 GMT
Bego 7
Cameron 8 Shawcross 8 Muniesa 7 Pieters 7
Whelan 6 N'Zonzi 9
Walters 7 Adam 9 Arnie 8
Diouf 9
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 9:10:04 GMT
Bego 7 Cameron 8 Shawcross 8 Muniesa 7 Pieters 7 Whelan 6 N'Zonzi 9 Walters 7 Adam 9 Arnie 8 Diouf 9 Whelan 6?! Now I know you're taking the piss...
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Post by upthefud on May 25, 2015 9:10:47 GMT
So Arnie gets 3 assists (technically 2 but it's fair enough to say that he created Diouf's first goal) and you rate him a 7. Suppose it shouldn't surprise me. For the final time for those that are a little slow on the uptake. I've explained why I gave him a 7 and said he played well. It's funny how you'd chose to pick me up because I give Arnie one mark below an 8 and yet you ignore Cameron's 4. You don't win 6-1 with passengers. Still I'm sure Marko will let you join his fan club soon
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:11:19 GMT
Bego 7 Cameron 8 Shawcross 8 Muniesa 7 Pieters 7 Whelan 6 N'Zonzi 9 Walters 7 Adam 9 Arnie 8 Diouf 9 Whelan 6?! Now I know you're taking the piss... He was the obvious weak link again mate. He needs upgrading sharpish. The rest of the team were brilliant.
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 9:14:47 GMT
Whelan 6?! Now I know you're taking the piss... He was the obvious weak link again mate. He needs upgrading sharpish. The rest of the team were brilliant. I'm not buying that you actually believe that. Is this revenge for people saying naughty things about Geoff?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:15:15 GMT
And who created the chance in the 1st place? Cameron pressed superbly, nicked the ball off Allen(?) and played Diouf in with a decent through ball. Now I'm hardly Cameron's biggest fan but it's amazing how some people only concentrate on the mistakes and not the positives............ Cameron a 4 is just nonsense. Muniesa was the issue with the goal. There was no penalty given so how you can criticise Cameron for something that didn't happen, and may not even be correct, is a mystery and from my view, Lallana may have been offside. Ibe run him ragged you say but it appears didn't create anyhting and several times Geoff covered the man Ibe beat to close down the danger. We ahve few players who could have made the break second half. I agree with the management, a new 3 year contract is well deserved for a player who has now played 99 games in one of the Premier League's strongest defences outside the top group. Criticise him as you wish but evidence suggests he contributes I largely agree, although I don't even feel that Ibe "ran him ragged", as you say the game was completely stretched and he was left one on one with Ibe on several occasions, some he blocked and others Ibe got to the byeline and got his cross in. People are getting way too excited about Cameron, at times his distribution is woeful and his decision making suspect but he's links up well going forward and brings an energy to the team that is lacking when Bardsley plays down that flank. I'd be happy to see a new specialist right back come in but don't write Cameron off it's a squad game and he definitely has a role to play. In Sparky we trust.......
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:16:32 GMT
Whelan 6?! Now I know you're taking the piss... He was the obvious weak link again mate. He needs upgrading sharpish. The rest of the team were brilliant. Whelan was superb. He made one glaring error but won the ball straight back, 6 is unbelievably harsh.....
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Post by kurt on May 25, 2015 9:22:16 GMT
Folks, if a club like Stoke City beats Liverpool FC with a score of 6:1 and breaks several records over decades, then every player was suberb!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:22:53 GMT
I apologise gents, I thought we were taking the piss by handing out ludicrous marks on the back of the best performance in decades.
As you were...
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Post by chiefdelilah on May 25, 2015 9:23:29 GMT
I apologise gents, I thought we were taking the piss by handing out ludicrous marks on the back of the best performance in decades. As you were... Apology accepted.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:26:42 GMT
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