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Post by manmarking on Oct 8, 2015 12:18:13 GMT
Sadly, there are many that have been indoctrinated through the education system. The EU pumps billions into controlling the children of the future i honestly now think us being totally controlled by Brussels and a German leader is inevitable. there are now many fantasist believing in the EU fairy tale The thing is, if they get a yes vote they'll punish us for having the audacity to vote. We will be put firmly in our place. Secondly, anyone who even has the wish to be bossed around by Merkel needs a psychiatrist. The only ones who want to stay in this fuck up are big companies who get fed an endless supply of cheap labour,(and even cheaper with all these middle easterns ) and those driven by party loyalties. This isnt about party politics, its about the future for you kids and grandkids and if you think otherwise then you deserve the upmost contempt +1 to that sentiment mate yes.
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 8, 2015 16:43:22 GMT
Are people taking 'polls' seriously again now? I'll grant you that. As the pollsters got the Corbyn election spot on they're de rigeur.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 11:27:31 GMT
There is hope from some young lefties then
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 10, 2015 8:10:54 GMT
A businessman who said that the public shouldn’t complain about migrants undercutting British workers and taking on jobs for less money is to lead the campaign to keep the country in the EU.
It is to be revealed at an event on 12 October that Lord Stuart Rose, the former chief executive of Mark and Spencer, is to be the chairman of the In campaign.
But the appointment is likely to be leapt upon by opponents because of his robust views on the free movement of labour. Two years ago the Conservative peer said he had little sympathy with people who complained that jobs were being taken by workers from Bulgaria and Romania who were prepared to work for less money. “I’m a free-market economist; we operate in a free market,” he told Sky News. “If these people want to come here, and work the hours they are prepared to work for the wages they are prepared to work for, then so be it.”
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 10, 2015 8:20:35 GMT
A businessman who said that the public shouldn’t complain about migrants undercutting British workers and taking on jobs for less money is to lead the campaign to keep the country in the EU. It is to be revealed at an event on 12 October that Lord Stuart Rose, the former chief executive of Mark and Spencer, is to be the chairman of the In campaign. But the appointment is likely to be leapt upon by opponents because of his robust views on the free movement of labour. Two years ago the Conservative peer said he had little sympathy with people who complained that jobs were being taken by workers from Bulgaria and Romania who were prepared to work for less money. “I’m a free-market economist; we operate in a free market,” he told Sky News. “If these people want to come here, and work the hours they are prepared to work for the wages they are prepared to work for, then so be it.” I think you're supposed to quote all sources due to plagiarism - the above news story lifted from The Independent. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stuart-rose-businessman-who-backed-immigration-for-cutting-wages-to-lead-campaign-to-keep-britain-in-a6688561.html"The announcement comes as the two anti-EU campaign groups traded blows. The Vote Leave campaign has been launched with the backing of some of the biggest political donors in the country as well as prominent figures from the world of business and MPs. But it faces a battle with the rival group, Leave EU, launched by the Ukip backer Arron Banks, to win the designation of the Electoral Commission as the official Out voice.
Whichever group comes out on top will enjoy advantages including higher spending limits, campaign broadcasts and public funding of up to £600,000. But while Ukip’s leader Nigel Farage pledged to work “hand in hand” with Leave EU, the party’s only MP, Douglas Carswell, has come out firmly for Vote Leave."UKIP is as UKIP does. The above taken from the exact same article.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 10, 2015 8:36:45 GMT
Headline in Independent:
Stuart Rose: Businessman who backed immigration for cutting wages to lead campaign to keep Britain in the EU
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 10, 2015 9:58:25 GMT
Headline in Independent: Stuart Rose: Businessman who backed immigration for cutting wages to lead campaign to keep Britain in the EU Just for clarity
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 10, 2015 10:09:01 GMT
Headline in Independent: Stuart Rose: Businessman who backed immigration for cutting wages to lead campaign to keep Britain in the EU Just for clarity It is very clear unless you choose not to see.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 10, 2015 10:28:37 GMT
Stuart Rose is in the yes camp purely for his own interests as are many others whereas the No's are in theirs for the principles of Democracy, freedom, power to the people of the country which are far more honourable and decent.
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 10, 2015 23:02:22 GMT
One for the cannon-fodder to summarily ignore.... "David Cameron's four key demands to remain in the EU revealed...
1. Forcing Brussels to make “an explicit statement” that Britain will be kept out of any move towards a European superstate. This will require an exemption for the UK from the EU’s founding principle of “ever closer union”. 2. An “explicit statement” that the euro is not the official currency of the EU, making clear that Europe is a “multi-currency” union. Ministers want this declaration in order to protect the status of the pound sterling as a legitimate currency that will always exist. 3. A new “red card” system to bring power back from Brussels to Britain. This would give groups of national parliaments the power to stop unwanted directives being handed down and to scrap existing EU laws. 4. A new structure for the EU itself. The block of 28 nations must be reorganised to prevent the nine countries that are not in the eurozone being dominated by the 19 member states that are, with particular protections for the City of London...." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11924603/David-Camerons-four-key-demands-to-remain-in-the-EU-revealed.html
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Post by derrida1437 on Oct 10, 2015 23:09:21 GMT
Just for clarity It is very clear unless you choose not to see. Plaigarism isn't as much about clarity as it message board rules.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 11, 2015 7:58:24 GMT
It is very clear unless you choose not to see. Plaigarism isn't as much about clarity as it message board rules. Ha Ha, that's funny, you referring to messageboard rules and clarity. Anyway the message is clear (and it is you who refered to clarity) and ,we realise how difficult it is for you to stick to issues as opposed failing to attempt to personalise things by your obsession with UKIP. For clarity this particularly point has nothing whatsoever to do with UKIP (as all on here know, so you are making yourself look a bit sillier than "normal") but about Rose, a Tory, who is arguing for out in the referendum (as a Labour man , I would have thought that was significant, but I think that you are less motivated by the argument than your issues...shame really). For clarity ,when you next follow one of my points and try to divert it to UKIP, I will not respond, except to bring it back to the point. As much as you try, I just font get involved in the prolonged personal stuff.Unfortunately I just need to say this to you because you just don't seem to get it. Have a great day! It's a fantastic morning here!
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Post by tomkinson67 on Oct 11, 2015 8:24:39 GMT
'I just font get involved'
BJR you've turned German!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 11, 2015 8:36:20 GMT
'I just font get involved' BJR you've turned German! No problem with that..I love Germany and the Germans. As I say, it's a fantastic morning here, have a great day. Be happy
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 11, 2015 11:37:01 GMT
Plaigarism isn't as much about clarity as it message board rules. Ha Ha, that's funny, you referring to messageboard rules and clarity. Anyway the message is clear (and it is you who refered to clarity) and ,we realise how difficult it is for you to stick to issues as opposed failing to attempt to personalise things by your obsession with UKIP. For clarity this particularly point has nothing whatsoever to do with UKIP (as all on here know, so you are making yourself look a bit sillier than "normal") but about Rose, a Tory, who is arguing for out in the referendum (as a Labour man , I would have thought that was significant, but I think that you are less motivated by the argument than your issues...shame really). For clarity ,when you next follow one of my points and try to divert it to UKIP, I will not respond, except to bring it back to the point. As much as you try, I just font get involved in the prolonged personal stuff.Unfortunately I just need to say this to you because you just don't seem to get it. Have a great day! It's a fantastic morning here! It's becoming tiresome now isn't it? Every discussion taken off topic by Derrida onto UKIP. And then Derrida brings up message board rules... You have to admire his nerve don't you! It would be like Huddy telling somebody that they need to understand the other person's point of view, Sheiky having a go at somebody for having a pop at Scholey or Carpy telling people that they bring the Muslim issue up far too much.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 11, 2015 11:47:32 GMT
Ha Ha, that's funny, you referring to messageboard rules and clarity. Anyway the message is clear (and it is you who refered to clarity) and ,we realise how difficult it is for you to stick to issues as opposed failing to attempt to personalise things by your obsession with UKIP. For clarity this particularly point has nothing whatsoever to do with UKIP (as all on here know, so you are making yourself look a bit sillier than "normal") but about Rose, a Tory, who is arguing for out in the referendum (as a Labour man , I would have thought that was significant, but I think that you are less motivated by the argument than your issues...shame really). For clarity ,when you next follow one of my points and try to divert it to UKIP, I will not respond, except to bring it back to the point. As much as you try, I just font get involved in the prolonged personal stuff.Unfortunately I just need to say this to you because you just don't seem to get it. Have a great day! It's a fantastic morning here! It's becoming tiresome now isn't it? Every discussion taken off topic by Derrida onto UKIP. And then Derrida brings up message board rules... You have to admire his nerve don't you! It would be like Huddy telling somebody that they need to understand the other person's point of view, Sheiky having a go at somebody for having a pop at Scholey or Carpy telling people that they bring the Muslim issue up far too much. UK , no it's sad really. Imagine having to spend your life working out the message board strategy, as though you were planning the D day landings. It is peculiar when EVERYONE involved knows what is going on ,but he pretends he is not aware. Strange. Best pitied or ignored although I don't mind engaging when he sticks to the issues.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 11, 2015 11:53:48 GMT
It's becoming tiresome now isn't it? Every discussion taken off topic by Derrida onto UKIP. And then Derrida brings up message board rules... You have to admire his nerve don't you! It would be like Huddy telling somebody that they need to understand the other person's point of view, Sheiky having a go at somebody for having a pop at Scholey or Carpy telling people that they bring the Muslim issue up far too much. UK , no it's sad really. Imagine having to spend your life working out the message board strategy, as though you were planning the D day landings. It is peculiar when EVERYONE involved knows what is going on ,but he pretends he is not aware. Strange. Best pitied or ignored although I don't mind engaging when he sticks to the issues. Is it really worth managing all those logons, proxy servers and VPNs, just to show ...well I don't know what? Sad really.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 11, 2015 12:00:44 GMT
Stuart Rose is in the yes camp purely for his own interests as are many others whereas the No's are in theirs for the principles of Democracy, freedom, power to the people of the country which are far more honourable and decent. I thought the No's just hated immigrants. Learn something new everyday!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 11, 2015 12:03:02 GMT
Back on-topic, when can we expect a vote?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 11, 2015 12:05:26 GMT
UK , no it's sad really. Imagine having to spend your life working out the message board strategy, as though you were planning the D day landings. It is peculiar when EVERYONE involved knows what is going on ,but he pretends he is not aware. Strange. Best pitied or ignored although I don't mind engaging when he sticks to the issues. Is it really worth managing all those logons, proxy servers and VPNs, just to show ...well I don't know what? Sad really. It's Mumf's fault really you know, even though Derrida doesn't engage him directly
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 11, 2015 12:06:23 GMT
UK , no it's sad really. Imagine having to spend your life working out the message board strategy, as though you were planning the D day landings. It is peculiar when EVERYONE involved knows what is going on ,but he pretends he is not aware. Strange. Best pitied or ignored although I don't mind engaging when he sticks to the issues. Is it really worth managing all those logons, proxy servers and VPNs, just to show ...well I don't know what? Sad really. It is truely weird. And, as you say, sad.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 11, 2015 12:11:39 GMT
Back on-topic, when can we expect a vote? DC Very good question When the powers to be think that they can win. .....but as things get nearer the end of 2017 (was that the promise?) , if things actually get worse (immigration? ), Cameron may be backed into a corner. Apparently the EU have set up a 9 person dept to put across the argument for staying in at every opportunity
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 11, 2015 12:13:28 GMT
Is it really worth managing all those logons, proxy servers and VPNs, just to show ...well I don't know what? Sad really. It is truely weird. And, as you say, sad. I think that you are a good/the best example of how to handle things, sticking to the issues, but calling a fork a fork when required, Patrick
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 11, 2015 12:15:57 GMT
What a bunch of contradictory shite, when the Jocks wanted to pull out of the UK you were all sticking the boot in, now you lot are using the reasons the Jocks were using to leave the UK, to justify your reason for leaving the EU.
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Post by stokeharry on Oct 11, 2015 12:16:25 GMT
It's becoming tiresome now isn't it? Every discussion taken off topic by Derrida onto UKIP. And then Derrida brings up message board rules... You have to admire his nerve don't you! It would be like Huddy telling somebody that they need to understand the other person's point of view, Sheiky having a go at somebody for having a pop at Scholey or Carpy telling people that they bring the Muslim issue up far too much. UK , no it's sad really. Imagine having to spend your life working out the message board strategy, as though you were planning the D day landings. It is peculiar when EVERYONE involved knows what is going on ,but he pretends he is not aware. Strange. Best pitied or ignored although I don't mind engaging when he sticks to the issues. Our conversation via PM is proving to be spot on once again
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 11, 2015 12:26:36 GMT
Back on-topic, when can we expect a vote? When you have all been frightened to vote the way they want you to vote, or never
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