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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2015 19:44:56 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on May 21, 2015 20:20:17 GMT
"Manfred Weber, a German MEP, teased the Ukip leader, telling the European Parliament: 'I would like to welcome Mr Farage, the loser of the elections, the big election loser in the UK."
What absolute rubbish.
3rd most votes in the UK. Largest swing vote of any party.
Disgusting that these European leaders can mock the party that got 4 million votes at the election. That has the most seats from the UK at the last Euro elections.
This is why so many people have had enough of the EU - the people that run it are contemptuous of the people who don't agree with their European project.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2015 21:28:08 GMT
`Nigel Farage has sent a letter to Nigel Farage saying 'I resign', and Nigel Farage has responded to Nigel Farage saying 'I refuse'
Belgian MEP Guy Verhofstadt
I much prefer this quote, as for contempt for voters not being arsed to turn up and vote as Nige and his mates and ex-mates have done for yours is much worse than laughing at a bloke who has turned himself into a bit of a joke.
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 22:11:42 GMT
They can laugh all they want. As usual Nigel took it in his stride and stuck it to them.
It was UKIP that have forced the EU referendum.
Oh and speaking of UKIP, isn't it funny that since the election is over there's more and more stories appearing about shocking levels of immigration.
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 22:20:13 GMT
They can laugh all they want. As usual Nigel took it in his stride and stuck it to them. It was UKIP that have forced the EU referendum. Oh and speaking of UKIP, isn't it funny that since the election is over there's more and more stories appearing about shocking levels of immigration. Have they actually forced the referendum though? I know they've been the ones shouting the loudest about it but how much can you actually prove that David Cameron promising a referendum is actually down to UKIP? |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 22:22:51 GMT
They can laugh all they want. As usual Nigel took it in his stride and stuck it to them. It was UKIP that have forced the EU referendum. Oh and speaking of UKIP, isn't it funny that since the election is over there's more and more stories appearing about shocking levels of immigration. Have they actually forced the referendum though? I know they've been the ones shouting the loudest about it but how much can you actually prove that David Cameron promising a referendum is actually down to UKIP? Of course you can't prove it but it's common sense, for decades politicians have ignored us but thanks to the surge of UKIP the Tories panicked to try and get voters back. If UKIP weren't such a force the referendum wouldn't be on the cards. |
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 22:29:14 GMT
Have they actually forced the referendum though? I know they've been the ones shouting the loudest about it but how much can you actually prove that David Cameron promising a referendum is actually down to UKIP? Of course you can't prove it but it's common sense, for decades politicians have ignored us but thanks to the surge of UKIP the Tories panicked to try and get voters back. If UKIP weren't such a force the referendum wouldn't be on the cards. This is a genuine question but if it's as big of an issue as you and others say it is why has it been kept on the back burner for decades? |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 22:30:40 GMT
Of course you can't prove it but it's common sense, for decades politicians have ignored us but thanks to the surge of UKIP the Tories panicked to try and get voters back. If UKIP weren't such a force the referendum wouldn't be on the cards. This is a genuine question but if it's as big of an issue as you and others say it is why has it been kept on the back burner for decades? Career politicians getting a lot of personal benefits from businesses within the EU IMHO |
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 22:40:25 GMT
This is a genuine question but if it's as big of an issue as you and others say it is why has it been kept on the back burner for decades? Career politicians getting a lot of personal benefits from businesses within the EU IMHO What you say wouldn't surprise me at all. Have you looked at all of the economics involved when looking at your decision to leave the EU? We must clearly benefit from it in some aspects? I have to admit that I haven't looked into it deep enough to have weighed up everything in order to have a fully informed opinion on whether we should leave the EU or not. |
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 22:46:52 GMT
Career politicians getting a lot of personal benefits from businesses within the EU IMHO What you say wouldn't surprise me at all. Have you looked at all of the economics involved when looking at your decision to leave the EU? We must clearly benefit from it in some aspects? I have to admit that I haven't looked into it deep enough to have weighed up everything in order to have a fully informed opinion on whether we should leave the EU or not. There's always stuff you don't pick up on mate. I'm sure the legislation is thousands of pages long. What I do know is: We pay £55m a day to be involved in a union that controls 73% of our laws. This union prevents us from trading freely with countries outside of the union. It also openly mocks our attempts to secure a better deal for our country. The idea of a European army scares me, and the idea that Great Britain couldn't support itself is ridiculous. Obviously it would be a major loss if we lost the Scots but that's up to Westminster to sort out. How many more times can we bail out Greece or get billed £1.2bn because our economy grew too quickly? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 23:04:58 GMT
Farage can speak very eloquently and wildly if the mood permits because he knows that his 15 minutes of fame has gone . He will stick around and his appeal will last for some time yet ,
But what impact he will have on the electoral system is quite negligible due to the boting system.
A great orator and great campaigner who will continue to confound his critics .
A man on the right of the Tories with a sex appeal to
Also attract the dissolusionef masses. ...
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Post by upthefud on May 21, 2015 23:19:16 GMT
Farage can speak very eloquently and wildly if the mood permits because he knows that his 15 minutes of fame has gone . He will stick around and his appeal will last for some time yet , But what impact he will have on the electoral system is quite negligible due to the boting system. A great orator and great campaigner who will continue to confound his critics . A man on the right of the Tories with a sex appeal to Also attract the dissolusionef masses. ... 3.8m voters and growing. Farage isn't done yet and his 15 minutes of fame are far from over. He's leading the out campaign so there's life in the old dog yet. I think after the referendum regardless of the result he may step down to be honest, but UKIP will go from strength to strength |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:08:58 GMT
Sorry about my spelling .....i dropped me glasses in Chichester marina butt i wouldnt argue with any of that . There is a future for UKIP and long may it continue . Politics as in life needs a sense of balance.
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 4:14:10 GMT
"Manfred Weber, a German MEP, teased the Ukip leader, telling the European Parliament: 'I would like to welcome Mr Farage, the loser of the elections, the big election loser in the UK." What absolute rubbish. 3rd most votes in the UK. Largest swing vote of any party. Disgusting that these European leaders can mock the party that got 4 million votes at the election. That has the most seats from the UK at the last Euro elections. This is why so many people have had enough of the EU - the people that run it are contemptuous of the people who don't agree with their European project. Correct Ukip is going from strength to strength and it will continue for along time to come weather the left like it or not |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 9:14:30 GMT
What you say wouldn't surprise me at all. Have you looked at all of the economics involved when looking at your decision to leave the EU? We must clearly benefit from it in some aspects? I have to admit that I haven't looked into it deep enough to have weighed up everything in order to have a fully informed opinion on whether we should leave the EU or not. There's always stuff you don't pick up on mate. I'm sure the legislation is thousands of pages long. What I do know is: We pay £55m a day to be involved in a union that controls 73% of our laws. This union prevents us from trading freely with countries outside of the union. It also openly mocks our attempts to secure a better deal for our country. The idea of a European army scares me, and the idea that Great Britain couldn't support itself is ridiculous. Obviously it would be a major loss if we lost the Scots but that's up to Westminster to sort out. How many more times can we bail out Greece or get billed £1.2bn because our economy grew too quickly? that 73% figure you quote mate is just wrong and has been pointed out to be so on many occasions. just another propaganda tool put forward by people who mispresented and misquoted the figures at the time. Vivian Reding (an EU commissioner) came up with the "Over 70%" fact orginally. what she actually said was that around 70% of the UK law is now co-decided and ratified by the EU (where all member states including us, have a say i.e. WE also have a say over all other EU member states laws as well!). basically any law that has a direct influence on the rest of the EU for any member state has to be agreed to by the rest...kinda makes sense really and they pretty much are all passed, it's more of a token gesture in the same way that the Queen accepts or rejects a PMs request to form a parliament; she COULD reject it but never does. not EVERY law passed in the UK has to go via them though in any way, shape or form and it certainly isn't the case that over 70% are decided upon or forced upon us by the EU (which is basically what that stat tries to infer). when she was contacted to establish her source it was found she'd actually made a mistake and was actualy wrong in the first place. she was quoting figures that related to where the European Parliament (consisting of elected representatives for each EU country) has an equal say to the European Council (made up of the governments of all EU countries) on EU laws, not UK laws. the actual percentage of laws that come to us as a direct influence from the EU or are instilled upon us by the EU is thought to be (by most experts) less than 10% |
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Post by upthefud on May 22, 2015 10:09:18 GMT
There's always stuff you don't pick up on mate. I'm sure the legislation is thousands of pages long. What I do know is: We pay £55m a day to be involved in a union that controls 73% of our laws. This union prevents us from trading freely with countries outside of the union. It also openly mocks our attempts to secure a better deal for our country. The idea of a European army scares me, and the idea that Great Britain couldn't support itself is ridiculous. Obviously it would be a major loss if we lost the Scots but that's up to Westminster to sort out. How many more times can we bail out Greece or get billed £1.2bn because our economy grew too quickly? that 73% figure you quote mate is just wrong and has been pointed out to be so on many occasions. just another propaganda tool put forward by people who mispresented and misquoted the figures at the time. Vivian Reding (an EU commissioner) came up with the "Over 70%" fact orginally. what she actually said was that around 70% of the UK law is now co-decided and ratified by the EU (where all member states including us, have a say i.e. WE also have a say over all other EU member states laws as well!). basically any law that has a direct influence on the rest of the EU for any member state has to be agreed to by the rest...kinda makes sense really and they pretty much are all passed, it's more of a token gesture in the same way that the Queen accepts or rejects a PMs request to form a parliament; she COULD reject it but never does. not EVERY law passed in the UK has to go via them though in any way, shape or form and it certainly isn't the case that over 70% are decided upon or forced upon us by the EU (which is basically what that stat tries to infer). when she was contacted to establish her source it was found she'd actually made a mistake and was actualy wrong in the first place. she was quoting figures that related to where the European Parliament (consisting of elected representatives for each EU country) has an equal say to the European Council (made up of the governments of all EU countries) on EU laws, not UK laws. the actual percentage of laws that come to us as a direct influence from the EU or are instilled upon us by the EU is thought to be (by most experts) less than 10% You may be correct, obviously we all read things and choose to believe what suits. My question would be why don't the pro-EU politicians point this out? |
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Post by crapslinger on May 22, 2015 10:42:53 GMT
There's always stuff you don't pick up on mate. I'm sure the legislation is thousands of pages long. What I do know is: We pay £55m a day to be involved in a union that controls 73% of our laws. This union prevents us from trading freely with countries outside of the union. It also openly mocks our attempts to secure a better deal for our country. The idea of a European army scares me, and the idea that Great Britain couldn't support itself is ridiculous. Obviously it would be a major loss if we lost the Scots but that's up to Westminster to sort out. How many more times can we bail out Greece or get billed £1.2bn because our economy grew too quickly? that 73% figure you quote mate is just wrong and has been pointed out to be so on many occasions. just another propaganda tool put forward by people who mispresented and misquoted the figures at the time. Vivian Reding (an EU commissioner) came up with the "Over 70%" fact orginally. what she actually said was that around 70% of the UK law is now co-decided and ratified by the EU (where all member states including us, have a say i.e. WE also have a say over all other EU member states laws as well!). basically any law that has a direct influence on the rest of the EU for any member state has to be agreed to by the rest...kinda makes sense really and they pretty much are all passed, it's more of a token gesture in the same way that the Queen accepts or rejects a PMs request to form a parliament; she COULD reject it but never does. not EVERY law passed in the UK has to go via them though in any way, shape or form and it certainly isn't the case that over 70% are decided upon or forced upon us by the EU (which is basically what that stat tries to infer). when she was contacted to establish her source it was found she'd actually made a mistake and was actualy wrong in the first place. she was quoting figures that related to where the European Parliament (consisting of elected representatives for each EU country) has an equal say to the European Council (made up of the governments of all EU countries) on EU laws, not UK laws. the actual percentage of laws that come to us as a direct influence from the EU or are instilled upon us by the EU is thought to be (by most experts) less than 10% What is the percentage of immigrants we are bound to take from the EU, I would guess it is a lot more than 10%. |
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 11:33:50 GMT
What you say wouldn't surprise me at all. Have you looked at all of the economics involved when looking at your decision to leave the EU? We must clearly benefit from it in some aspects? I have to admit that I haven't looked into it deep enough to have weighed up everything in order to have a fully informed opinion on whether we should leave the EU or not. There's always stuff you don't pick up on mate. I'm sure the legislation is thousands of pages long. What I do know is: We pay £55m a day to be involved in a union that controls 73% of our laws. This union prevents us from trading freely with countries outside of the union. It also openly mocks our attempts to secure a better deal for our country. The idea of a European army scares me, and the idea that Great Britain couldn't support itself is ridiculous. Obviously it would be a major loss if we lost the Scots but that's up to Westminster to sort out. How many more times can we bail out Greece or get billed £1.2bn because our economy grew too quickly? Correct. How can anyone be ok with having 73% of our laws made in Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 11:46:50 GMT
"Manfred Weber, a German MEP, teased the Ukip leader, telling the European Parliament: 'I would like to welcome Mr Farage, the loser of the elections, the big election loser in the UK." What absolute rubbish. 3rd most votes in the UK. Largest swing vote of any party. Disgusting that these European leaders can mock the party that got 4 million votes at the election. That has the most seats from the UK at the last Euro elections. This is why so many people have had enough of the EU - the people that run it are contemptuous of the people who don't agree with their European project. Correct Ukip is going from strength to strength and it will continue for along time to come weather the left like it or not That's an interesting Avatar Harry ......original Anglo - Saxon ( stems from the Red and White Dragons in the lakes legend I think ? ) the modern application is not lost on me either  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 22, 2015 12:01:47 GMT
There's always stuff you don't pick up on mate. I'm sure the legislation is thousands of pages long. What I do know is: We pay £55m a day to be involved in a union that controls 73% of our laws. This union prevents us from trading freely with countries outside of the union. It also openly mocks our attempts to secure a better deal for our country. The idea of a European army scares me, and the idea that Great Britain couldn't support itself is ridiculous. Obviously it would be a major loss if we lost the Scots but that's up to Westminster to sort out. How many more times can we bail out Greece or get billed £1.2bn because our economy grew too quickly? that 73% figure you quote mate is just wrong and has been pointed out to be so on many occasions. just another propaganda tool put forward by people who mispresented and misquoted the figures at the time. Vivian Reding (an EU commissioner) came up with the "Over 70%" fact orginally. what she actually said was that around 70% of the UK law is now co-decided and ratified by the EU (where all member states including us, have a say i.e. WE also have a say over all other EU member states laws as well!). basically any law that has a direct influence on the rest of the EU for any member state has to be agreed to by the rest...kinda makes sense really and they pretty much are all passed, it's more of a token gesture in the same way that the Queen accepts or rejects a PMs request to form a parliament; she COULD reject it but never does. not EVERY law passed in the UK has to go via them though in any way, shape or form and it certainly isn't the case that over 70% are decided upon or forced upon us by the EU (which is basically what that stat tries to infer). when she was contacted to establish her source it was found she'd actually made a mistake and was actualy wrong in the first place. she was quoting figures that related to where the European Parliament (consisting of elected representatives for each EU country) has an equal say to the European Council (made up of the governments of all EU countries) on EU laws, not UK laws. the actual percentage of laws that come to us as a direct influence from the EU or are instilled upon us by the EU is thought to be (by most experts) less than 10% Mick I don't think that you are quite right there.If any of our laws do not conform with EU law ,they can be challenged.There is also what is known as the horizontal effect of EU law on our law making.We have to conform, so in practice our Parliament becomes subservient to the EU. In my opinion Parliament is no longer supreme ,one of the three pillars of our democracy |
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 12:28:30 GMT
Correct Ukip is going from strength to strength and it will continue for along time to come weather the left like it or not That's an interesting Avatar Harry ......original Anglo - Saxon ( stems from the Red and White Dragons in the lakes legend I think ? ) the modern application is not lost on me either I'd also wondered about Harry's new Avatar - a wind up or Harry subtly endorsing white supremacists? In this case less comical more chemical I suspect. |
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Post by ukcstokie on May 22, 2015 12:34:23 GMT
that 73% figure you quote mate is just wrong and has been pointed out to be so on many occasions. just another propaganda tool put forward by people who mispresented and misquoted the figures at the time. Vivian Reding (an EU commissioner) came up with the "Over 70%" fact orginally. what she actually said was that around 70% of the UK law is now co-decided and ratified by the EU (where all member states including us, have a say i.e. WE also have a say over all other EU member states laws as well!). basically any law that has a direct influence on the rest of the EU for any member state has to be agreed to by the rest...kinda makes sense really and they pretty much are all passed, it's more of a token gesture in the same way that the Queen accepts or rejects a PMs request to form a parliament; she COULD reject it but never does. not EVERY law passed in the UK has to go via them though in any way, shape or form and it certainly isn't the case that over 70% are decided upon or forced upon us by the EU (which is basically what that stat tries to infer). when she was contacted to establish her source it was found she'd actually made a mistake and was actualy wrong in the first place. she was quoting figures that related to where the European Parliament (consisting of elected representatives for each EU country) has an equal say to the European Council (made up of the governments of all EU countries) on EU laws, not UK laws. the actual percentage of laws that come to us as a direct influence from the EU or are instilled upon us by the EU is thought to be (by most experts) less than 10% Mick I don't think that you are quite right there.If any of our laws do not conform with EU law ,they can be challenged.There is also what is known as the horizontal effect of EU law on our law making.We have to conform, so in practice our Parliament becomes subservient to the EU. In my opinion Parliament is no longer supreme ,one of the three pillars of our democracy ...and to add... The EU have no mandate to pass laws over us IMHO. We vote for a parliament ever 5 years or so. The parliament has never asked for or been given permission to pass law making to any other body. I personally see the EU vote - if we're allowed one - will legitimise our membership (or not) of the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 13:02:10 GMT
That's an interesting Avatar Harry ......original Anglo - Saxon ( stems from the Red and White Dragons in the lakes legend I think ? ) the modern application is not lost on me either I'd also wondered about Harry's new Avatar - a wind up or Harry subtly endorsing white supremacists? In this case less comical more chemical I suspect. Of course only Harry can answer that one ....I do like the flag though . |
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 17:00:14 GMT
Correct Ukip is going from strength to strength and it will continue for along time to come weather the left like it or not That's an interesting Avatar Harry ......original Anglo - Saxon ( stems from the Red and White Dragons in the lakes legend I think ? ) the modern application is not lost on me either Hope it doesn't "offend" anyone  |
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 17:02:19 GMT
That's an interesting Avatar Harry ......original Anglo - Saxon ( stems from the Red and White Dragons in the lakes legend I think ? ) the modern application is not lost on me either I'd also wondered about Harry's new Avatar - a wind up or Harry subtly endorsing white supremacists? In this case less comical more chemical I suspect. Showing pride in my white Anglo Saxon heritage kid (thumbs up ) If other groups can display their pride then so can I I'll leave the racial supremecy lark to bigots like Diane Abbott though |
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 17:13:58 GMT
I'd also wondered about Harry's new Avatar - a wind up or Harry subtly endorsing white supremacists? In this case less comical more chemical I suspect. Showing pride in my white Anglo Saxon heritage kid (thumbs up ) If other groups can display their pride then so can I I'll leave the racial supremecy lark to bigots like Diane Abbott though You and the KlanCuddly, lovable and just generally misunderstood. Bless. |
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 17:16:37 GMT
Showing pride in my white Anglo Saxon heritage kid (thumbs up ) If other groups can display their pride then so can I I'll leave the racial supremecy lark to bigots like Diane Abbott though You and the KlanCuddly, lovable and just generally misunderstood. Bless. So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? |
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 17:27:31 GMT
You and the KlanCuddly, lovable and just generally misunderstood. Bless. So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Now, now Harry. I'm not going to get drawn into a polarising discussion where you project exaggerated opinions onto me. Play those games with Edge. What I'll say is there are many ways of expressing patriotism. If you have the time or inclination have a read of Billy Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot that looks at this subject. I don't agree with a lot of the content but the general gist of his argument is a good one; patriotism is good, celebration of your culture is good. It should not be conceded to extremists. It's an argument that applies to all sorts of nationalism. |
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 17:50:22 GMT
So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Now, now Harry. I'm not going to get drawn into a polarising discussion where you project exaggerated opinions onto me. Play those games with Edge.What I'll say is there are many ways of expressing patriotism. If you have the time or inclination have a read of Billy Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot that looks at this subject. I don't agree with a lot of the content but the general gist of his argument is a good one; patriotism is good, celebration of your culture is good. It should not be conceded to extremists. It's an argument that applies to all sorts of nationalism. Can people stop directing him my way I've no interest in playing those games |
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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 17:53:01 GMT
Now, now Harry. I'm not going to get drawn into a polarising discussion where you project exaggerated opinions onto me. Play those games with Edge.What I'll say is there are many ways of expressing patriotism. If you have the time or inclination have a read of Billy Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot that looks at this subject. I don't agree with a lot of the content but the general gist of his argument is a good one; patriotism is good, celebration of your culture is good. It should not be conceded to extremists. It's an argument that applies to all sorts of nationalism. Can people stop directing him my way I've not interest in playing those games I thought you were enjoying yourself. But you are wise to wise up. |
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