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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 19:57:49 GMT
That's an interesting Avatar Harry ......original Anglo - Saxon ( stems from the Red and White Dragons in the lakes legend I think ? ) the modern application is not lost on me either Hope it doesn't "offend" anyone Not me .....not in the slightest .
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 21:04:31 GMT
So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Now, now Harry. I'm not going to get drawn into a polarising discussion where you project exaggerated opinions onto me. Play those games with Edge. What I'll say is there are many ways of expressing patriotism. If you have the time or inclination have a read of Billy Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot that looks at this subject. I don't agree with a lot of the content but the general gist of his argument is a good one; patriotism is good, celebration of your culture is good. It should not be conceded to extremists. It's an argument that applies to all sorts of nationalism. Because you know you don't have a defense I'm proud of my Anglo Saxon heritage. Fuck all racist about that. If other people can celebrate their history so can I
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 21:05:14 GMT
Hope it doesn't "offend" anyone Not me .....not in the slightest . That's because you aren't up yourself and OTT PC mate
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Post by crapslinger on May 22, 2015 21:37:06 GMT
You and the KlanCuddly, lovable and just generally misunderstood. Bless. So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Of course he is that is how he operates never mind Allahs left foot likes most of his posts along with EP go figure .
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 21:43:07 GMT
So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Of course he is that is how he operates never mind Allahs left foot likes most of his posts along with EP go figure . There's a lot of irony in your post
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 21:46:11 GMT
So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Of course he is that is how he operates  never mind Allahs left foot likes most of his posts along with EP go figure . Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 21:50:55 GMT
Of course he is that is how he operates  never mind Allahs left foot likes most of his posts along with EP go figure . Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it Do they? What gives you that idea?
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Post by crapslinger on May 22, 2015 21:55:38 GMT
Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it Do they? What gives you that idea? You for one sad act.
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 21:57:13 GMT
Do they? What gives you that idea? You for one sad act. Show me anything remotely anti-english that I've said. You won't be able to.
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 22:10:21 GMT
Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it Do they? What gives you that idea? Ye they do. Or at least the so called anti racists that attach themselves to the left do. Do you want to go round in circles again bega friend?
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 22:10:46 GMT
You for one  sad act. Show me anything remotely anti-english that I've said. You won't be able to. Your hypocrisy and double standards are anti English.
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:16:29 GMT
Do they? What gives you that idea? Ye they do. Or at least the so called anti racists that attach themselves to the left do. Do you want to go round in circles again bega friend? It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again, you're so unnecessarily hostile. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again.
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 22:19:53 GMT
Ye they do. Or at least the so called anti racists that attach themselves to the left do. Do you want to go round in circles again bega friend? It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. I've told you before I don't want to converse with you. You bore me. We do not agree on the basics and we see the world in a different way so before we even start to debate we are already at odds. I think what I think based on a million and one things , I don't owe you an explanation. Rather than go round in circles and end up back at square one it's best that we ignore each other. Unless you insist of course
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:20:00 GMT
Ye they do. Or at least the so called anti racists that attach themselves to the left do. Do you want to go round in circles again bega friend? It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. I disagree ....I think you are a bit of a poncy girly type who likes to label people who you don't like . Every time I come on here you remind me of a bitch I once had who wouldn't stop barking . In the end I had it re-homed .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2015 22:21:09 GMT
Ye they do. Or at least the so called anti racists that attach themselves to the left do. Do you want to go round in circles again bega friend? It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again, you're so unnecessarily hostile. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. It is apparently impossible to be a socialist and a proud Englishman. According to the racist and the man who can't count. Go figure.....
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:23:06 GMT
Of course he is that is how he operates never mind Allahs left foot likes most of his posts along with EP go figure . Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it The White Dragon standard is merely a symbol that represents the ethnicicity of the original Anglo Saxon migrants to Britain ....there is nothing racist or elitist about it , people may try to suggest that it has been hijacked by a certain faction in society ....possibly it's true , I don't know about that , but for me it holds no more racial overtones than the Red Dragon of Wales does..... " Pendragon " and it's links back through history that resulted in the seperate entities that became England and Wales ...is a really a fascinating period for me .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2015 22:23:12 GMT
So English people being proud of our Anglo Saxon ancestors is racist but the Welsh and irish can celebrate their celtic heritage and that's ok ? You wouldn't be applying double standards now would you kid ? Of course he is that is how he operates never mind Allahs left foot likes most of his posts along with EP go figure . That's because unlike you and your racist mate, Edge actually makes some sense.
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:24:48 GMT
It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. I disagree ....I think you are a bit of a poncy girly type who likes to label people who you don't like . Every time I come on here you remind me of a bitch I once had who wouldn't stop barking . In the end I had it re-homed . Where was the bad intent? I hadn't criticised or slated Harry, I asked him what has led him to his opinion. How on earth you can criticise me for it I've no idea.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2015 22:24:54 GMT
Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it The White Dragon standard is merely a symbol that represents the ethnicicity of the original Anglo Saxon migrants to Britain ....there is nothing racist or elitist about it , people may try to suggest that it has been hijacked by a certain faction in society ....possibly it's true , I don't know about that , but for me it holds no more racial overtones than the Red Dragon of Wales does..... " Pendragon " and it's links back through history that resulted in the seperate entities that became England and Wales ...is a really a fascinating period for me . There's no suggestion about it Bisp...the ultra right wing knuckle dragging racists most certainly did hijack it. It is perfectly possible to be an egalitarian and a proud Englishman.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:27:01 GMT
I disagree ....I think you are a bit of a poncy girly type who likes to label people who you don't like . Every time I come on here you remind me of a bitch I once had who wouldn't stop barking . In the end I had it re-homed . Where was the bad intent? I hadn't criticised or slated Harry, I asked him what has led him to his opinion. How on earth you can criticise me for it I've no idea. Have you got a girlfriend yet ?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:31:26 GMT
It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again, you're so unnecessarily hostile. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. It is apparently impossible to be a socialist and a proud Englishman. According to the racist and the man who can't count. Go figure..... Of course the two can go hand in hand .....it's not necessary to be either left or right to be a patriotic Englishman, to suggest otherwise is an obvious nonsense .
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:31:29 GMT
Where was the bad intent? I hadn't criticised or slated Harry, I asked him what has led him to his opinion. How on earth you can criticise me for it I've no idea. Have you got a girlfriend yet ? Mature response
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:31:56 GMT
Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it The White Dragon standard is merely a symbol that represents the ethnicicity of the original Anglo Saxon migrants to Britain ....there is nothing racist or elitist about it , people may try to suggest that it has been hijacked by a certain faction in society ....possibly it's true , I don't know about that , but for me it holds no more racial overtones than the Red Dragon of Wales does..... " Pendragon " and it's links back through history that resulted in the seperate entities that became England and Wales ...is a really a fascinating period for me . D'yer know as a kid on board Stoniers buzz bound for Rhyll .....I never ever once saw a Welsh dragon , although there plenty at the back smoking Woodbines and Park Drive . Strange int eet ?
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:32:05 GMT
It is apparently impossible to be a socialist and a proud Englishman. According to the racist and the man who can't count. Go figure..... Of course the two can go hand in hand .....it's not necessary to be either left or right to be a patriotic Englishman, to suggest otherwise is an obvious nonsense . Correct.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:32:55 GMT
Have you got a girlfriend yet ? Mature response Give us a'mature edumacated ' answer then .....
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:34:52 GMT
Mature response Give us a'mature edumacated ' answer then ..... If you want to directly respond to my post rather than going off on an unnecessary tangent then I'd be happy to.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:34:56 GMT
The White Dragon standard is merely a symbol that represents the ethnicicity of the original Anglo Saxon migrants to Britain ....there is nothing racist or elitist about it , people may try to suggest that it has been hijacked by a certain faction in society ....possibly it's true , I don't know about that , but for me it holds no more racial overtones than the Red Dragon of Wales does..... " Pendragon " and it's links back through history that resulted in the seperate entities that became England and Wales ...is a really a fascinating period for me . There's no suggestion about it Bisp...the ultra right wing knuckle dragging racists most certainly did hijack it. It is perfectly possible to be an egalitarian and a proud Englishman. Well that's as may be mate , I am certainly not of that persuasion .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:36:59 GMT
The White Dragon standard is merely a symbol that represents the ethnicicity of the original Anglo Saxon migrants to Britain ....there is nothing racist or elitist about it , people may try to suggest that it has been hijacked by a certain faction in society ....possibly it's true , I don't know about that , but for me it holds no more racial overtones than the Red Dragon of Wales does..... " Pendragon " and it's links back through history that resulted in the seperate entities that became England and Wales ...is a really a fascinating period for me . D'yer know as a kid on board Stoniers buzz bound for Rhyll .....I never ever once saw a Welsh dragon , although there plenty at the back smoking Woodbines and Park Drive . Strange int eet ? It is ...you may have had better luck riding on a Green Crosville bus
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 22:38:00 GMT
It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again, you're so unnecessarily hostile. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. It is apparently impossible to be a socialist and a proud Englishman. According to the racist and the man who can't count. Go figure..... I did say that once then I immediately said that I was wrong and that I made a knee jerk comment. Of course you can be a a socialist and a proud Englishman. I've said more than once that I find many socialist ideas appealing. People use the phrase right wing interchangeably with the word racist and many people (including myself) use the term left wing when they mean hypocrite/two faced/coward/anti English and that is wrong. It's just a pity that so many so called anti facists have hijacked socialism because they aren't actually anti facist at all. What they are is anti white/English/Christian/western. Claiming to champion the cause of democracy whilst trying to silence the opposition, claiming to be anti religious hatred but failing to show up and shout "faaaaciiist" at choudray and his chums, claiming to support equality and fair play whilst denying the English of an identity and simultaneously lauding black/brown/gay/Arab etc pride. Anything deemed to be English is to be sneered at. You only have to look at the St Georges Day threads on here. Why can't "the left" just say "happy St Georges Day lads" why feel the need to come on and tell everyone that St George was a greek/turk/syrian/Palestinian (or whatever they choose at the time). The same thing doesn't happen on St Patricks day, the left aren't all over it saying "St paddy was actually born in England so that makes him english" . I even saw somewhere some dick heads wanting to turn St Georges Day into a celebration of multi culturalism. Any chance that the "left " get to have a pop at the English they are all over it and if anything THAT is what makes people racist in the first place. People get defensive and have a siege mentality. I'll fly my flag as and when I want to and I don't care who it offends and no permission is required
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:38:56 GMT
Give us a'mature edumacated ' answer then ..... If you want to directly respond to my post rather than going off on an unnecessary tangent then I'd be happy to. Difficult one eh ? Have you got a girlfriend yet ?
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