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Post by partickpotter on May 22, 2015 22:39:54 GMT
It is apparently impossible to be a socialist and a proud Englishman. According to the racist and the man who can't count. Go figure..... Of course the two can go hand in hand .....it's not necessary to be either left or right to be a patriotic Englishman, to suggest otherwise is an obvious nonsense . Well said.
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:42:54 GMT
It is apparently impossible to be a socialist and a proud Englishman. According to the racist and the man who can't count. Go figure..... I did say that once then I immediately said that I was wrong and that I made a knee jerk comment. Of course you can be a a socialist and a proud Englishman. I've said more than once that I find many socialist ideas appealing. People use the phrase right wing interchangeably with the word racist and many people (including myself) use the term left wing when they mean hypocrite/two faced/coward/anti English and that is wrong. It's just a pity that so many so called anti facists have hijacked socialism because they aren't actually anti facist at all. What they are is anti white/English/Christian/western. Claiming to champion the cause of democracy whilst trying to silence the opposition, claiming to be anti religious hatred but failing to show up and shout "faaaaciiist" at choudray and his chums, claiming to support equality and fair play whilst denying the English of an identity and simultaneously lauding black/brown/gay/Arab etc pride. Anything deemed to be English is to be sneered at. You only have to look at the St Georges Day threads on here. Why can't "the left" just say "happy St Georges Day lads" why feel the need to come on and tell everyone that St George was a greek/turk/syrian/Palestinian (or whatever they choose at the time). The same thing doesn't happen on St Patricks day, the left aren't all over it saying "St paddy was actually born in England so that makes him english" . I even saw somewhere some dick heads wanting to turn St Georges Day into a celebration of multi culturalism. Any chance that the "left " get to have a pop at the English they are all over it and if anything THAT is what makes people racist in the first place. People get defensive and have a siege mentality. I'll fly my flag as and when I want to and I don't care who it offends and no permission is required Just a couple of posts up you've said directly "Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it"It's completely at odds and hypocritical with your attempt to seem reasonable in your post above. Just saying
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:45:13 GMT
If you want to directly respond to my post rather than going off on an unnecessary tangent then I'd be happy to. Difficult one eh ? Have you got a girlfriend yet ? I've had one for a while. What's it got to do with anything? What does it have to do with the reasonable points I've made on this thread (which you've conveniently sidestepped)
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 22:48:18 GMT
I did say that once then I immediately said that I was wrong and that I made a knee jerk comment. Of course you can be a a socialist and a proud Englishman. I've said more than once that I find many socialist ideas appealing. People use the phrase right wing interchangeably with the word racist and many people (including myself) use the term left wing when they mean hypocrite/two faced/coward/anti English and that is wrong. It's just a pity that so many so called anti facists have hijacked socialism because they aren't actually anti facist at all. What they are is anti white/English/Christian/western. Claiming to champion the cause of democracy whilst trying to silence the opposition, claiming to be anti religious hatred but failing to show up and shout "faaaaciiist" at choudray and his chums, claiming to support equality and fair play whilst denying the English of an identity and simultaneously lauding black/brown/gay/Arab etc pride. Anything deemed to be English is to be sneered at. You only have to look at the St Georges Day threads on here. Why can't "the left" just say "happy St Georges Day lads" why feel the need to come on and tell everyone that St George was a greek/turk/syrian/Palestinian (or whatever they choose at the time). The same thing doesn't happen on St Patricks day, the left aren't all over it saying "St paddy was actually born in England so that makes him english" . I even saw somewhere some dick heads wanting to turn St Georges Day into a celebration of multi culturalism. Any chance that the "left " get to have a pop at the English they are all over it and if anything THAT is what makes people racist in the first place. People get defensive and have a siege mentality. I'll fly my flag as and when I want to and I don't care who it offends and no permission is required Just a couple of posts up you've said directly "Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it"It's completely at odds and hypocritical with your attempt to seem reasonable in your post above. Just saying So you haven't read the part where I addressed how people including you and including me and everyone else on here use the terms and how the facists from groups such as the UAF have hijacked the left. If you had of read it you wouldn't of just embarrassed yourself and made yourself look silly. Now answer mumfs question, have you got a Mrs yet or are you still working on your lack of self confidence. Whilst we are on the subject have you been to mind yet or are you still too shy ?
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Post by crapslinger on May 22, 2015 22:55:27 GMT
If you want to directly respond to my post rather than going off on an unnecessary tangent then I'd be happy to. Difficult one eh ? Have you got a girlfriend yet ? Does his sister count apart that is from in Brown Edge, he does own a lap top though and obviously a banjo
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:55:38 GMT
Just a couple of posts up you've said directly "Stay proud mate and keep the English flag flying. The left hate it"It's completely at odds and hypocritical with your attempt to seem reasonable in your post above. Just saying So you haven't read the part where I addressed how people including you and including me and everyone else on here use the terms and how the facists from groups such as the UAF have hijacked the left. If you had of read it you wouldn't of just embarrassed yourself and made yourself look silly. Now answer mumfs question, have you got a Mrs yet or are you still working on your lack of self confidence. Whilst we are on the subject have you been to mind yet or are you still too shy ? Erm well in the bit I've quoted you don't refer to 'some' on the left, you refer directly to 'the left'. Do you want to explain where 'facists and groups such as the UAF' fit into the whole left? I'm simply pointing out that you're making a false, sweeping generalisation that the 'left hate it' and it directly contradicts what you've said in the post above.
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 22:56:40 GMT
Difficult one eh ? Have you got a girlfriend yet ? Does his sister count apart that is from in Brown Edge, he does own a lap top though and obviously a banjo Same old tired boring nonsense (yawn).
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 22, 2015 22:59:50 GMT
So you haven't read the part where I addressed how people including you and including me and everyone else on here use the terms and how the facists from groups such as the UAF have hijacked the left. If you had of read it you wouldn't of just embarrassed yourself and made yourself look silly. Now answer mumfs question, have you got a Mrs yet or are you still working on your lack of self confidence. Whilst we are on the subject have you been to mind yet or are you still too shy ? Erm well in the bit I've quoted you don't refer to 'some' on the left, you refer directly to 'the left'. Do you want to explain where 'facists and groups such as the UAF' fit into the whole left? I'm simply pointing out that you're making a false, sweeping generalisation that the 'left hate it' and it directly contradicts what you've said in the post above. Almost as bad as his "muslim religion is rife with paedos" sweeping generalisation. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 23:02:33 GMT
So you haven't read the part where I addressed how people including you and including me and everyone else on here use the terms and how the facists from groups such as the UAF have hijacked the left. If you had of read it you wouldn't of just embarrassed yourself and made yourself look silly. Now answer mumfs question, have you got a Mrs yet or are you still working on your lack of self confidence. Whilst we are on the subject have you been to mind yet or are you still too shy ? Erm well in the bit I've quoted you don't refer to 'some' on the left, you refer directly to 'the left'. Do you want to explain where 'facists and groups such as the UAF' fit into the whole left? I'm simply pointing out that you're making a false, sweeping generalisation that the 'left hate it' and it directly contradicts what you've said in the post above. You purposely only quoted a section of what I said to suit your agenda. That's what you do , it's your style and that's why things will always end up the same way when you quote me. I stand by what I say , I think I'm right and you are wrong and nothing has changed. I'll give you the chance for us both leave it before it goes too far again. I'm happy to agree to disagree and I'm happy to ignore you as long as you ignore me. The decision is entirely yours bega friend
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 23:08:43 GMT
Erm well in the bit I've quoted you don't refer to 'some' on the left, you refer directly to 'the left'. Do you want to explain where 'facists and groups such as the UAF' fit into the whole left? I'm simply pointing out that you're making a false, sweeping generalisation that the 'left hate it' and it directly contradicts what you've said in the post above. You purposely only quoted a section of what I said to suit your agenda. That's what you do , it's your style and that's why things will always end up the same way when you quote me. I stand by what I say , I think I'm right and you are wrong and nothing has changed. I'll give you the chance for us both leave it before it goes too far again. I'm happy to agree with disagree and I'm happy to ignore you as long as you ignore me. The decision is entirely yours bega friend You might want to try making your point clear from the start then rather than expanding on it a few posts down. Conveniently after others have said that you can be from the left and still be patriotic. I'm not going any further into this discussion with you so you don't need to reply.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:12:08 GMT
Now, now Harry. I'm not going to get drawn into a polarising discussion where you project exaggerated opinions onto me. Play those games with Edge. What I'll say is there are many ways of expressing patriotism. If you have the time or inclination have a read of Billy Bragg's book The Progressive Patriot that looks at this subject. I don't agree with a lot of the content but the general gist of his argument is a good one; patriotism is good, celebration of your culture is good. It should not be conceded to extremists. It's an argument that applies to all sorts of nationalism. Because you know you don't have a defense I'm proud of my Anglo Saxon heritage. Fuck all racist about that. If other people can celebrate their history so can I You have every right to be proud of your Anglo Saxon heritage ....so am I . on carrying out some research , there is some definate Norman lineage on my side too
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 23:17:27 GMT
You purposely only quoted a section of what I said to suit your agenda. That's what you do , it's your style and that's why things will always end up the same way when you quote me. I stand by what I say , I think I'm right and you are wrong and nothing has changed. I'll give you the chance for us both leave it before it goes too far again. I'm happy to agree with disagree and I'm happy to ignore you as long as you ignore me. The decision is entirely yours bega friend You might want to try making your point clear from the start then rather than expanding on it a few posts down. Conveniently after others have said that you can be from the left and still be patriotic. I'm not going any further into this discussion with you so you don't need to reply. I made myself clear from the start and I said nothing that I haven't said before but you conveniently ignore the parts that tear your arguments to shreds as per. Let me know how you get on at mind yea
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:17:40 GMT
Because you know you don't have a defense I'm proud of my Anglo Saxon heritage. Fuck all racist about that. If other people can celebrate their history so can I You have every right to be proud of your Anglo Saxon heritage ....so am I . on carrying out some research , there is some definate Norman lineage on my side too Yes .....I've heard he got about a bit ....He was seeing our Elsie for a couple of months until she ditched him ...the dirty swine .
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 23:18:59 GMT
Because you know you don't have a defense I'm proud of my Anglo Saxon heritage. Fuck all racist about that. If other people can celebrate their history so can I You have every right to be proud of your Anglo Saxon heritage ....so am I . on carrying out some research , there is some definate Norman lineage on my side too Norman, Saxon, Viking, celtic. They all look the same to me lol
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:19:48 GMT
You have every right to be proud of your Anglo Saxon heritage ....so am I . on carrying out some research , there is some definate Norman lineage on my side too Yes .....I've heard he got about a bit ....He was seeing our Elsie for a couple of months until she ditched him ...the dirty swine .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:23:20 GMT
You have every right to be proud of your Anglo Saxon heritage ....so am I . on carrying out some research , there is some definate Norman lineage on my side too Norman, Saxon, Viking, celtic. They all look the same to me lol Norm had a big chopper though ....fathered many kids all across this area . You see they didn't have Tele's in them days and the nights were very long .... He savaged a few in Brown Edge too ....!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:24:39 GMT
You have every right to be proud of your Anglo Saxon heritage ....so am I . on carrying out some research , there is some definate Norman lineage on my side too Norman, Saxon, Viking, celtic. They all look the same to me lol Some very definate features to allow you to tell them apart mate ......Celtic play in green and white for a start.
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 23:30:10 GMT
It was a simple question with no bad intent, I was genuinely curious to find out why you think what you do. Nice of you to bring the playground stuff into it yet again. Thank you for reminding me why you're such a difficult person to converse with. Don't bother replying because I'm really not interested in going around in circles again. I disagree ....I think you are a bit of a poncy girly type who likes to label people who you don't like . Every time I come on here you remind me of a bitch I once had who wouldn't stop barking . In the end I had it re-homed . Whilst you want to bring up the subject of labelling I'm going to label you a xenophobic bigot.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:32:21 GMT
I disagree ....I think you are a bit of a poncy girly type who likes to label people who you don't like . Every time I come on here you remind me of a bitch I once had who wouldn't stop barking . In the end I had it re-homed . Whilst you want to bring up the subject of labelling I'm.going to label you a xenophobic bigot. You already have love ....that's why I think you're a ponce on a mission .
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 23:36:50 GMT
Whilst you want to bring up the subject of labelling I'm.going to label you a xenophobic bigot. You already have love ....that's why I think you're a ponce on a mission . I actually hadn't before now but it's entirely appropriate. You're an old timer so I can somewhat understand your prehistoric views, it also comes down to education too, something you're clearly lacking
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:42:32 GMT
You already have love ....that's why I think you're a ponce on a mission . I actually hadn't before now but it's entirely appropriate. You're an old timer so I can somewhat understand your prehistoric views, it also comes down to education too, something you're clearly lacking Prehistoric old timers ... ||...there is something to be said about experience ?
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Post by stokeharry on May 22, 2015 23:44:31 GMT
Norman, Saxon, Viking, celtic. They all look the same to me lol Some very definate features to allow you to tell them apart mate ......Celtic play in green and white for a start. I'm more of a rangers lad anyway
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 23:45:07 GMT
I actually hadn't before now but it's entirely appropriate. You're an old timer so I can somewhat understand your prehistoric views, it also comes down to education too, something you're clearly lacking Prehistoric old timers ... |...there is something to be said about expierience ? Some can adapt to the times and talk sense Bish Sadly some can't.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:45:52 GMT
You already have love ....that's why I think you're a ponce on a mission . I actually hadn't before now but it's entirely appropriate. You're an old timer so I can somewhat understand your prehistoric views, it also comes down to education too, something you're clearly lacking Okay love .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:46:25 GMT
Some very definate features to allow you to tell them apart mate ......Celtic play in green and white for a start. I'm more of a rangers lad anyway We aren't getting on to religion on this one are we ?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:49:34 GMT
I'm more of a rangers lad anyway We aren't getting on to religion on this one are we ? I'm too old and thick to pass any opinion . Infact I can't remember either .
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:49:47 GMT
Prehistoric old timers ... |...there is something to be said about expierience ? Some can adapt to the times and talk sense Bish Sadly some can't. Anno Dommini calls on us all I'm afraid
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 23:50:05 GMT
I actually hadn't before now but it's entirely appropriate. You're an old timer so I can somewhat understand your prehistoric views, it also comes down to education too, something you're clearly lacking Okay love . How many times have you been warned for saying unreasonable/stupid things? In your case the saying 'you can't teach an old dog new tricks' is very apt
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:50:50 GMT
We aren't getting on to religion on this one are we ? I'm too old and thick to pass any opinion . Infact I can't remember either . Either what ?
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Post by edgepotter on May 22, 2015 23:51:27 GMT
Some can adapt to the times and talk sense Bish Sadly some can't. Anno Dommini calls on us all I'm afraid Experience is negated anyway when you're as clueless as mumf is.
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