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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2015 20:38:45 GMT
Okay BM, calm down. I agree people can do what they want in private, as long as they consent.I can understand others wondering why gay people need to parade theur sexuality, in many ways it can be seen as them who are drawing attention to the differences, the majority non-gay community may not be bothered in the slightest. It just boils my piss when people want to demonize a particular section of society for something which affects them not one jot, especially when they bring their ridiculous religious bigotry into it. I'm old enough to remember when queer bashing was rife and pretty much encouraged by the police, so I don't blame them for parading and saying fuck you, we won. If it upsets Mumf and the fish fiddler,all the better. Okay I too am old enough to remember what you refer to , and prejudice still goes on, so the fight isn't over. The culture in some organisations is such that it would be difficult to be openly gay, or even to show empathy. BUT, I can see how the parades/the crusading against 'little people' can be counter productive. I also see what you mean about the statement-making stance.I think society has largely accepted or is oblivious to the parades, I think that the issue in this thread is more about the rights of an individual to think and act differently, according to their sincerely held beliefs, which they don't appear to be imposing on others.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 20:46:56 GMT
No man tells me what to think or what to say . But don't waste your time and mine hurling insults in the defence of queer exhibitionists . It weakens your defence. For all you know i may have two degree firsts..... You could have a brain the size of a planet, you're still a bigoted dickhead. Tough shit . You wont find me in a pink 'onesie'.... I have my grandkids to consider.
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Post by bmstoke on May 21, 2015 20:49:56 GMT
I actually agree that the bakers shouldn't be made to do something which is directly opposite to their beliefs, however much I find their beliefs ridiculous. This was a fight which didn't need fighting, just find another baker.
What's pissed me off is the incredible reaction on here, we wonder why people think Stoke on Trent is still marooned in 1973. It's like an episode of ashes to ashes on here.
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Post by bmstoke on May 21, 2015 20:54:11 GMT
You could have a brain the size of a planet, you're still a bigoted dickhead. Tough shit . You wont find me in a pink 'onesie'.... I have my grandkids to consider. I'm praying to a God I don't believe in that one of them is gay.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2015 21:04:10 GMT
I think Mumf's point is more to do what is done in public, not privately. I find the Gay pride marches very entertaining, creative and interesting but I certainly understand where Mumf is coming from, and my guess would be that he is in a majority in the UK population.. I honestly couldn't give a shit, sex is supposed to be fun so as as long as everyone involved is consenting why should anyone give a shit. I don't blame them for celebrating their lifestyle and getting the better of religious zealots and bigoted imbeciles like Mumf. Who rattled your cage sweetie exhibitionism at best look at me I am different than straight people, why do they feel the need to do this
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 21:04:36 GMT
Nail on head mate. It's that kind of hypocrisy that means the left will never get anywhere. Most people can see right through it. The ones getting all upity on here wouldn't be anywhere to be seen if it was a Muslim bakers that refused on religious grounds . It's plain to see . Most of us don't need a weather man to tell us when it's pissing down and I find their double standards absolutely baffling Genuine question. Have you seen anyone on this forum at all, from the left or right say they wouldn't be saying the same if it was muslim bakery? I'm clearly from the left side and I'd condemn the actions if it was any person refusing to serve on ANY religious grounds no matter what religion it would be from because it would all be equally ridiculous. Ye plenty mate but based on past encounters it's probably best if me and you don't converse. Purley for the sake of others respectable posters
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2015 21:05:53 GMT
I actually agree that the bakers shouldn't be made to do something which is directly opposite to their beliefs, however much I find their beliefs ridiculous. This was a fight which didn't need fighting, just find another baker. What's pissed me off is the incredible reaction on here, we wonder why people think Stoke on Trent is still marooned in 1973. It's like an episode of ashes to ashes on here. BM I certainly agree with the first part of what you say. In my opinion the people of Stoke on Trent are very accepting of others, even to the extent of 'not being bothered about anything when perhaps they should be'. This message board only represents the views of a tiny few. All the best , and up the Potters!
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 21:07:18 GMT
Genuine question. Have you seen anyone on this forum at all, from the left or right say they wouldn't be saying the same if it was muslim bakery? I'm clearly from the left side and I'd condemn the actions if it was any person refusing to serve on ANY religious grounds no matter what religion it would be from because it would all be equally ridiculous. Ye plenty mate but based on past encounters it's probably best if me and you don't converse. Purley for the sake of others respectable posters Well I've seen none on this thread.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2015 21:13:37 GMT
Tough shit . You wont find me in a pink 'onesie'.... I have my grandkids to consider. I'm praying to a God I don't believe in that one of them is gay. Hypocrite
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Post by bmstoke on May 21, 2015 21:17:30 GMT
I honestly couldn't give a shit, sex is supposed to be fun so as as long as everyone involved is consenting why should anyone give a shit. I don't blame them for celebrating their lifestyle and getting the better of religious zealots and bigoted imbeciles like Mumf. Who rattled your cage sweetie exhibitionism at best look at me I am different than straight people, why do they feel the need to do this Ahh, the old, if you're not a knuckle dragging Neanderthal bellend, you must be a fudge packer argument. You seem pretty hostile towards gays, I could use the 'got something to hide' card, but that would be beneath me. Were you ever confused as a boy, duckie.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2015 21:19:24 GMT
Ye plenty mate but based on past encounters it's probably best if me and you don't converse. Purley for the sake of others respectable posters Well I've seen none on this thread. And you are no exception, now leave mummy's computer alone Harry wants a cup of Earl Grey pronto.
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 21:21:28 GMT
Well I've seen none on this thread. And you are no exception, now leave mummy's computer alone Harry wants a cup of Earl Grey pronto. You've got a strange Freudian obsession about mums I'm a big boy I've got my own laptop, your childish, playground insults are very tired and very boring
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Post by bmstoke on May 21, 2015 21:25:12 GMT
And you are no exception, now leave mummy's computer alone Harry wants a cup of Earl Grey pronto. You've got a strange Freudian obsession about mums I'm a big boy I've got my own laptop, your childish, playground insults are very tired and very boring More likely to have an obsession with his dad. In the closet this one.
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2015 21:27:49 GMT
Who rattled your cage sweetie exhibitionism at best look at me I am different than straight people, why do they feel the need to do this Ahh, the old, if you're not a knuckle dragging Neanderthal bellend, you must be a fudge packer argument. You seem pretty hostile towards gays, I could use the 'got something to hide' card, but that would be beneath me. Were you ever confused as a boy, duckie. Nope never, however you appear to have some knowledge on this subject, have you come out of the cupboard officially, I did work with a gay in my last job always flouting his sexuality and talking about his Thomas who I believe was his partner , sorry not for me all this limp wristed giggling look at me I am sooooooo different bollocks, if that means I am stereotyped by others such as yourself so what I don't give a flying fuck.
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Post by bmstoke on May 21, 2015 21:31:47 GMT
Ahh, the old, if you're not a knuckle dragging Neanderthal bellend, you must be a fudge packer argument. You seem pretty hostile towards gays, I could use the 'got something to hide' card, but that would be beneath me. Were you ever confused as a boy, duckie. Nope never, however you appear to have some knowledge on this subject, have you come out of the cupboard officially, I did work with a gay in my last job always flouting his sexuality and talking about his Thomas who I believe was his partner , sorry not for me all this limp wristed giggling look at me I am sooooooo different bollocks, if that means I am stereotyped by others such as yourself so what I don't give a flying fuck. I bet he's still locked in the wank bank to this day.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2015 21:34:21 GMT
Ahh, the old, if you're not a knuckle dragging Neanderthal bellend, you must be a fudge packer argument. You seem pretty hostile towards gays, I could use the 'got something to hide' card, but that would be beneath me. Were you ever confused as a boy, duckie. Nope never, however you appear to have some knowledge on this subject, have you come out of the cupboard officially, I did work with a gay in my last job always flouting his sexuality and talking about his Thomas who I believe was his partner , sorry not for me all this limp wristed giggling look at me I am sooooooo different bollocks, if that means I am stereotyped by others such as yourself so what I don't give a flying fuck. Come out of the cupboard PMSL, I had to google that in case i'm missing something but no you are either TAF or a secret Harry Potter fan.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2015 21:34:29 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 21, 2015 21:36:08 GMT
And you are no exception, now leave mummy's computer alone Harry wants a cup of Earl Grey pronto. You've got a strange Freudian obsession about mums I'm a big boy I've got my own laptop, your childish, playground insults are very tired and very boring Don't forget he's crap at basic maths as well
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2015 21:37:09 GMT
And you are no exception, now leave mummy's computer alone Harry wants a cup of Earl Grey pronto. You've got a strange Freudian obsession about mums I'm a big boy I've got my own laptop, your childish, playground insults are very tired and very boring you have a laptop in Brown Edge
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 21:40:28 GMT
You've got a strange Freudian obsession about mums I'm a big boy I've got my own laptop, your childish, playground insults are very tired and very boring you have a laptop in Brown Edge It's comical how you can't articulately debate a reasoned point of view so you resort to insults instead.
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 21:46:56 GMT
Genuine question. Have you seen anyone on this forum at all, from the left or right say they wouldn't be saying the same if it was muslim bakery? I'm clearly from the left side and I'd condemn the actions if it was any person refusing to serve on ANY religious grounds no matter what religion it would be from because it would all be equally ridiculous. Edge, If I may intervene, No, I don't think anyone has said that a Muslim baker would be treated any differently and I believe that you would not treat them differently , as you say.But I do think that there is a problem when a small family business person holds sincere particular views which,despite the law, feel that they must stick to them. Where is the 'tolerance 'for their difference? I am quite a simple pragmatist. On this occasion , IMHO, the campaigner could simply have gone elsewhere. Accepting the baker's decision isn't an almighty world changing event.Ok I understand the argument that discrimination should always be challenged but I think we are in an age where those who are 'discriminated ' against are crusading and getting things out of proportion. We are a tolerant country in general. ...and that may prove to be a fault.On this particular case the bakers 'seem' to me like genuine people, and the campaigners 'seem' a bit 'agressive', not that I actually know them of course. As an aside it is interesting that Orthodox Judaism, Evangelical Christianity and Islam are all uneasy with the idea of gay marriage.. ....a commonality not normally found. I understand your view Big John and whilst I don't agree with your view I don't take 'issue' with it as such. Harry has made a few mentions to the 'hypocrites' that will criticise a christian baker but wouldn't criticise a muslim one. I haven't seen any hypocrites on this thread. Those of us that have criticised the bakers have quite clearly stated that ANY religious beliefs that discriminate against gay people are out of order and should be condemned.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:47:41 GMT
you have a laptop in Brown Edge It's comical how you can't articulately debate a rem reasoned point of view so you resort to insults instead. No that was BM stokie ....very rude and abusive in defence of his brethren.... I thought queers were supposed to be nice and considerate types.
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 21:48:01 GMT
Ye plenty mate but based on past encounters it's probably best if me and you don't converse. Purley for the sake of others respectable posters Well I've seen none on this thread. There are thousands of threads on the oatcake mate but ok I respect your right to an opinion even though I don't agree with it
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2015 21:48:52 GMT
you have a laptop in Brown Edge It's comical how you can't articulately debate a reasoned point of view so you resort to insults instead. Why can't we stick to the issues ,not the personalities. As Tony used to say it's about the policies not the personalities.
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 21:51:18 GMT
It's comical how you can't articulately debate a rem reasoned point of view so you resort to insults instead. No that was BM stokie ....very rude and abusive in defence of his brethren.... I thought queers were supposed to be nice and considerate types. Your 'strong' views are going to provoke negative reactions though mumf you must realise that.
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Post by edgepotter on May 21, 2015 21:51:52 GMT
It's comical how you can't articulately debate a reasoned point of view so you resort to insults instead. Why can't we stick to the issues ,not the personalities. As Tony used to say it's about the policies not the personalities. I agree.
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Post by bmstoke on May 21, 2015 21:54:08 GMT
It's comical how you can't articulately debate a rem reasoned point of view so you resort to insults instead. No that was BM stokie ....very rude and abusive in defence of his brethren.... I thought queers were supposed to be nice and considerate types. I don't think I've really abused anyone unduly, I've just pointed out the undeniable fact that there are some unbelievably bigoted dickheads on this board. I'm not gay, but I'd rather take one up the shitter than be as big of a cretin as you.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2015 21:56:20 GMT
Why can't we stick to the issues ,not the personalities. As Tony used to say it's about the policies not the personalities. I agree. So do I! Genuinely, how do we accommodate a couple who are running a small business, and hold some sincere views, do not wish to make any issues, but are not 'allowed ' to quietly hold their views ( which many may share , even if not legally recognised)
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 21:56:45 GMT
Well I've seen none on this thread. And you are no exception, now leave mummy's computer alone Harry wants a cup of Earl Grey pronto. A bottle of tyskie I'd in order after the day I've had owd
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:59:24 GMT
No that was BM stokie ....very rude and abusive in defence of his brethren.... I thought queers were supposed to be nice and considerate types. Your 'strong' views are going to provoke negative reactions though mumf you must realise that. [/quote/] If i had insulted him in the same way as he did me then I would gave been banned . The fact that he is a queer apologist allows scum like this to bend the rules . He then has the audacity to call me bigoted . This inert excuse of a man needs a sense of values , and by that that i dont mean fucking about on the back back of a lorry dressed as a transvestite queen in some parade . Ive shit better than him . !
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