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Post by stokeharry on May 20, 2015 17:07:29 GMT
I was in a Manchester last summer and DURING THE DAY when kids and family's were about , a couple of topless oiled up camp buff looking gay fellas were walking round the streets with a bucket collecting money for the up coming gay pride event. I didn't give them any money because I don't agree with it It's not homosexuality that I don't agree with but it's not something to be proud of is it. It's not necessarily anything to be ashamed of but why be proud of your sexuality. Why be proud that you like cock ? How many straight people go round asking for a straight pride march. If they just got on with it I think most people these days wouldn't care less. I know I wouldn't but at the same time why announce it to the world. Why flaunt it in people's faces. I aren't anti gay because to be honest it doesn't affect me but if my son told me he was gay I'm not going to lie I'd be bothered. As long as he was happy I'd be fine with it because being happy in life is the most important thing but there would always be a part of me deep down that would be disappointed. Every day is a straight march - look around on any street and you'll see men and women kissing, holding hands and other such disgusting acts. Why do they feel the need to show this off, it makes me feel very uncomfortable. Out of interest, would you be equally as uncomfortable if there was a gobshite in the pub boasting about his sexual conquests? Every day isn't a straight March though is it. It's normal every day life and people going about their business without trying to make a statement. Gays don't make me feel uncomfortable mate. I don't mind gays in the slightest. I just don't see the need to tell people that you are proud of loving cock, it's nothing to be proud of and most people don't care. I wouldn't want my son to be gay but if he was I'd love and accept him regardless
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Post by stokeharry on May 20, 2015 17:16:12 GMT
So what was disrespectful about asking for a cake to be made then? I've actually seen this story reported on the news now and a few of the facts seem to be missing from the thread. The bakers had no problem with making cakes for gay couples. They refused to make a cake though that was decorated with a pro-gay marriage slogan as it was against there christian beliefs. Is there really anything wrong with that. They weren't guilty of discriminating against anyone IMHO, but did not want to be used in some left wing publicity stunt. That we respect and tolerate people of other faiths beliefs and then prosecute people for abiding by christian values says a great deal about this country. I remember when Cameron started talking about gay marriage and him saying that nobody would be prosecuted for following there christian beliefs but that he thought it fair that gay people had the right to wed. Guess which one of those 2 groups of people were lied to. How dare you let the facts get in the way of an agenda
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Post by edgepotter on May 20, 2015 17:46:12 GMT
So what was disrespectful about asking for a cake to be made then? I've actually seen this story reported on the news now and a few of the facts seem to be missing from the thread. The bakers had no problem with making cakes for gay couples. They refused to make a cake though that was decorated with a pro-gay marriage slogan as it was against there christian beliefs. Is there really anything wrong with that. They weren't guilty of discriminating against anyone IMHO, but did not want to be used in some left wing publicity stunt. That we respect and tolerate people of other faiths beliefs and then prosecute people for abiding by christian values says a great deal about this country. I remember when Cameron started talking about gay marriage and him saying that nobody would be prosecuted for following there christian beliefs but that he thought it fair that gay people had the right to wed. Guess which one of those 2 groups of people were lied to. I know the facts it's still wrong, I thought Christians are supposed to be a decent, tolerant group of people. Believing that homosexuality is wrong because of a book written a long, long time ago is a bit ridiculous.
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Post by crapslinger on May 20, 2015 17:47:20 GMT
Every day is a straight march - look around on any street and you'll see men and women kissing, holding hands and other such disgusting acts. Why do they feel the need to show this off, it makes me feel very uncomfortable. Out of interest, would you be equally as uncomfortable if there was a gobshite in the pub boasting about his sexual conquests? It shouldn't make you feel disgusted or uncomfortable. ....your head may need a wobble . These are normal people doing normal things . Sometimes one has to face up the fact that you may not be normal. Reading some of the shit posted it would appear that it is now not fashionable to be a normal person, having some perverse orientation seems to be the way to get noticed, not for me having sex with another man is not natural.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 17:51:30 GMT
It shouldn't make you feel disgusted or uncomfortable. ....your head may need a wobble . These are normal people doing normal things . Sometimes one has to face up the fact that you may not be normal. Reading some of the shit posted it would appear that it is now not fashionable to be a normal person, having some perverse orientation seems to be the way to get noticed, not for me having sex with another man is not natural. I think you could be right . I may need to get a boyfriend and someone who will bake me a cake . Someone who won't say no ! I love you all ....Graham Norton is ace or is it arse ? Mumf
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 18:13:37 GMT
Reading some of the shit posted it would appear that it is now not fashionable to be a normal person, having some perverse orientation seems to be the way to get noticed, not for me having sex with another man is not natural. I think you could be right . I may need to get a boyfriend and someone who will bake me a cake . Someone who won't say no ! I love you all ....Graham Norton is ace or is it arse ? Mumf Spotted dick? Ooh err
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Post by boothenboy75 on May 20, 2015 18:14:39 GMT
I've actually seen this story reported on the news now and a few of the facts seem to be missing from the thread. The bakers had no problem with making cakes for gay couples. They refused to make a cake though that was decorated with a pro-gay marriage slogan as it was against there christian beliefs. Is there really anything wrong with that. They weren't guilty of discriminating against anyone IMHO, but did not want to be used in some left wing publicity stunt. That we respect and tolerate people of other faiths beliefs and then prosecute people for abiding by christian values says a great deal about this country. I remember when Cameron started talking about gay marriage and him saying that nobody would be prosecuted for following there christian beliefs but that he thought it fair that gay people had the right to wed. Guess which one of those 2 groups of people were lied to. I know the facts it's still wrong, I thought Christians are supposed to be a decent, tolerant group of people. Believing that homosexuality is wrong because of a book written a long, long time ago is a bit ridiculous. I agree with you, I can't understand why anyone would follow a fairy tail. Similarly, I can't understand the attraction of buggery. But each to their own, and as I've said before who are you or I to impose our beliefs on anyone else? Especially when you consider that most would consider us a christian country. It seems we are pretty open minded to showing understanding and tolerance to certain sections of the community but not others, strange.
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Post by partickpotter on May 20, 2015 19:06:00 GMT
It shouldn't make you feel disgusted or uncomfortable. ....your head may need a wobble . These are normal people doing normal things . Sometimes one has to face up the fact that you may not be normal. Reading some of the shit posted it would appear that it is now not fashionable to be a normal person, having some perverse orientation seems to be the way to get noticed, not for me having sex with another man is not natural. What is "natural" sex though? A blow job?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 20, 2015 19:17:50 GMT
quote author=" edgepotter" source="/post/4707078/thread" timestamp="1432143972"] I've actually seen this story reported on the news now and a few of the facts seem to be missing from the thread. The bakers had no problem with making cakes for gay couples. They refused to make a cake though that was decorated with a pro-gay marriage slogan as it was against there christian beliefs. Is there really anything wrong with that. They weren't guilty of discriminating against anyone IMHO, but did not want to be used in some left wing publicity stunt. That we respect and tolerate people of other faiths beliefs and then prosecute people for abiding by christian values says a great deal about this country. I remember when Cameron started talking about gay marriage and him saying that nobody would be prosecuted for following there christian beliefs but that he thought it fair that gay people had the right to wed. Guess which one of those 2 groups of people were lied to. I know the facts it's still wrong, I thought Christians are supposed to be a decent, tolerant group of people. Believing that homosexuality is wrong because of a book written a long, long time ago is a bit ridiculous. [/quote] It is a bit of a misconception that Jesus was always tolerant. Mattew 21:12,13 Jesus Cleanses the Temple. And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER'; but you are making it a ROBBERS' DEN."… As the story goes, it was because he challenged society, authority and the existing culture that he was crucified.
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Post by crapslinger on May 20, 2015 19:41:13 GMT
Reading some of the shit posted it would appear that it is now not fashionable to be a normal person, having some perverse orientation seems to be the way to get noticed, not for me having sex with another man is not natural. What is "natural" sex though? A blow job? Off another man bastard.
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Post by crapslinger on May 20, 2015 19:44:23 GMT
Reading some of the shit posted it would appear that it is now not fashionable to be a normal person, having some perverse orientation seems to be the way to get noticed, not for me having sex with another man is not natural. I think you could be right . I may need to get a boyfriend and someone who will bake me a cake . Someone who won't say no ! I love you all ....Graham Norton is ace or is it arse ? Mumf Edge Potter is single Mumf not sure he would prepared to bake for you though, Harry owns him at the moment but he may be persuaded to let him go, if not Huddy also appears to be on his own perhaps not surprisingly.
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Post by crapslinger on May 20, 2015 19:48:45 GMT
I think you could be right . I may need to get a boyfriend and someone who will bake me a cake . Someone who won't say no ! I love you all ....Graham Norton is ace or is it arse ? Mumf Spotted dick? Ooh err How about a nice warm fresh ringed doughnut with chocolate sauce around the rim, a nice fairy cake split open at the top filled with cream or a pink fondant.
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Post by partickpotter on May 20, 2015 19:49:52 GMT
What is "natural" sex though? A blow job? Off another man bastard. No - I'm talking off Kylie Minogue. Now I know you've know chance of that. But use your imagination. Natural or not?
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Post by edgepotter on May 20, 2015 21:55:08 GMT
I think you could be right . I may need to get a boyfriend and someone who will bake me a cake . Someone who won't say no ! I love you all ....Graham Norton is ace or is it arse ? Mumf Edge Potter is single Mumf not sure he would prepared to bake for you though, Harry owns him at the moment but he may be persuaded to let him go, if not Huddy also appears to be on his own perhaps not surprisingly. talking rubbish as usual I see
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Post by upthefud on May 20, 2015 22:39:35 GMT
I can't be arsed reading through 4 pages so I'm sorry if this point had already been made.
For me, it's not about the Christian vs Gay aspect, it's about every business having the right to turn down custom for their own reasons.
If someone came up to me as a baker and told me to make a pro-Islamic State cake and I refused, could they take me to court?
It's not a popular opinion but why couldn't this bloke just go and find a different baker and save this whole sorry affair.
A dangerous precedent has been set.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 0:10:57 GMT
Edge Potter is single Mumf not sure he would prepared to bake for you though, Harry owns him at the moment but he may be persuaded to let him go, if not Huddy also appears to be on his own perhaps not surprisingly. talking rubbish as usual I see You need to be careful here ....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 0:12:46 GMT
Off another man bastard. No - I'm talking off Kylie Minogue. Now I know you've know chance of that. But use your imagination. Natural or not? No not know ...... ::)I wouldn't normally bother ...but you have done it to me
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 5:08:29 GMT
No - I'm talking off Kylie Minogue. Now I know you've know chance of that. But use your imagination. Natural or not? No not know ...... ::)I wouldn't normally bother ...but you have done it to me Yeh right
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2015 6:16:07 GMT
No - I'm talking off Kylie Minogue. Now I know you've know chance of that. But use your imagination. Natural or not? No not know ...... ::)I wouldn't normally bother ...but you have done it to me Far too many "no's" and "know's" in that short piece. I was thinking of using Harry's predictive text excuse explanation but that'd be lying. The truth is, I was distracted by thoughts of Kyle; I should be so lucky. I wonder whether it was the typo or the consideration of carnal knowledge of Kyle's tonsils that has distracted our fish friend because he hasn't got back to let us know his opinion on on the naturalness or not of that sort of relation with a diminutive Aussie (and I'm not talking about David Boon).
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 9:32:55 GMT
No not know ...... ::)I wouldn't normally bother ...but you have done it to me Yeh right What are you trying to say ?
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 10:00:01 GMT
No not know ...... ::)I wouldn't normally bother ...but you have done it to me Far too many "no's" and "know's" in that short piece. I was thinking of using Harry's predictive text excuse explanation but that'd be lying. The truth is, I was distracted by thoughts of Kyle; I should be so lucky. I wonder whether it was the typo or the consideration of carnal knowledge of Kyle's tonsils that has distracted our fish friend because he hasn't got back to let us know his opinion on on the naturalness or not of that sort of relation with a diminutive Aussie (and I'm not talking about David Boon).
I think you're just a bit thick
and no need to say "on" twice, I guess that was just a "distraction" as well was it
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 21, 2015 10:56:24 GMT
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
It's racist if a white man discriminates against a black man, but it's ok to have black only schools, churches etc. It's sexist if a man discriminates against a woman, but it's ok for Loose Women to appear on the tele, or let's say if a female owned business had a predominantly female workforce that would be ok. It's wrong if a man hits a woman, but it's funny if a woman hits a man. It's ok for someone to say "I prefer that person because they're gay and so they're lovely" but it's not ok to say "I prefer that person because they're straight". The hypocrisy infuriates me.
The links to Islam aren't surprising. If the same had occurred in a Muslim ran cake-shop no fuss would be made at all. That's what is wrong with society these days. Certain kinds of racism, sexism, ageism etc are ok but other kinds aren't.
As for gay pride and the like, don't campaign for equality by segregating yourself. It's a stupid idea. I couldn't care less if someone was gay, straight, bisexual, liked neither or whatever. Why should I be told to care? We have gay people on tele, gay musical artists making millions in the music industry, don't tell me that you need acceptance. It's 2015, the vast majority don't care. Stop wasting time and resources appealing to the odd idiot.
Don't complain about your beliefs being persecuted when you're belief is to persecute another's beliefs. I wouldn't bake a cake with a Port Vale badge on it with "Stoke City are shit" written on it, the same way I wouldn't expect a Vale fan to do the opposite for me.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 21, 2015 11:10:34 GMT
The links to Islam aren't surprising. If the same had occurred in a Muslim ran cake-shop no fuss would be made at all. That's what is wrong with society these days. Certain kinds of racism, sexism, ageism etc are ok but other kinds aren't. The first part is a load of shit, the second part is very true. Plenty of people with right wing views, like people on this thread, deem being straight to be 'better' than being gay. Therefore the stupid benders can fuck off & get their faggot cake made elsewhere. Those same people, though, put being gay ahead of being Muslim, so if it was a Muslim bakers those dirty Paki terrorists have no right to refuse those lovely homosexual people a right to their dream cake.
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 11:18:18 GMT
The links to Islam aren't surprising. If the same had occurred in a Muslim ran cake-shop no fuss would be made at all. That's what is wrong with society these days. Certain kinds of racism, sexism, ageism etc are ok but other kinds aren't. The first part is a load of shit, the second part is very true. Plenty of people with right wing views, like people on this thread, deem being straight to be 'better' than being gay. Therefore the stupid benders can fuck off & get their faggot cake made elsewhere. Those same people, though, put being gay ahead of being Muslim, so if it was a Muslim bakers those dirty Paki terrorists have no right to refuse those lovely homosexual people a right to their dream cake.
I think you are missing the point mate. Most people are saying that if it was a muslim baker that refused to bake the cake no one would bat an eye lid as not to offend their religion, but because it's a Christian baker it's ok to make a song and dance about it because that proves how 'pc and liberal you are'. It's the hypocrisy and double standards of the left that people hate and that's my main gripe with them. Certain groups of people , whites/English/Christians/ etc are fair game but certain other groups muslims/gays/etc are immune from criticism . If the same standards are applied to ALL then I have no problem with that but until then my stance is as solid as a rock
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Post by crapslinger on May 21, 2015 11:20:52 GMT
The links to Islam aren't surprising. If the same had occurred in a Muslim ran cake-shop no fuss would be made at all. That's what is wrong with society these days. Certain kinds of racism, sexism, ageism etc are ok but other kinds aren't. The first part is a load of shit, the second part is very true. Plenty of people with right wing views, like people on this thread, deem being straight to be 'better' than being gay. Therefore the stupid benders can fuck off & get their faggot cake made elsewhere. Those same people, though, put being gay ahead of being Muslim, so if it was a Muslim bakers those dirty Paki terrorists have no right to refuse those lovely homosexual people a right to their dream cake. Better or more natural ?, I personally can not think of anything less appealing or normal than shoving my dick up another man or woman's ring piece, disgusting depraved and perverted un natural sexual behaviour, deviant springs too mind. Maybe things are different in Russia comrade
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 21, 2015 11:24:32 GMT
I think you are missing the point mate. Most people are saying that if it was a muslim baker that refused to bake the cake no one would bat an eye lid as not to offend their religion, but because it's a Christian baker it's ok to make a song and dance about it because that proves how 'pc and liberal you are'. It's the hypocrisy and double standards of the left that people hate and that's my main gripe with them. Certain groups of people , whites/English/Christians/ etc are fair game but certain other groups muslims/gays/etc are immune from criticism . If the same standards are applied to ALL then I have no problem with that but until then my stance is as solid as a rock I'm not missing the point at all. You're infact proving my point, & you're right, hypocrisy is rife! Because it's a white, Christian bakers you see no problem with them refusing to make the cake, the stupid faggots should accept the Christian's are uncomfortable with making it & therefore chose not to.... But we both know damn well if it was a Muslim bakers you'd suddenly change your tune, or are you honestly going to tell me that you wouldn't be making a big deal over it, & you'd be posting how you support the Muslims right to not make a cake for gay people?
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 11:34:52 GMT
I think you are missing the point mate. Most people are saying that if it was a muslim baker that refused to bake the cake no one would bat an eye lid as not to offend their religion, but because it's a Christian baker it's ok to make a song and dance about it because that proves how 'pc and liberal you are'. It's the hypocrisy and double standards of the left that people hate and that's my main gripe with them. Certain groups of people , whites/English/Christians/ etc are fair game but certain other groups muslims/gays/etc are immune from criticism . If the same standards are applied to ALL then I have no problem with that but until then my stance is as solid as a rock I'm not missing the point at all. You're infact proving my point, & you're right, hypocrisy is rife! Because it's a white, Christian bakers you see no problem with them refusing to make the cake, the stupid faggots should accept the Christian's are uncomfortable with making it & therefore chose not to.... But we both know damn well if it was a Muslim bakers you'd suddenly change your tune, or are you honestly going to tell me that you wouldn't be making a big deal over it, & you'd be posting how you support the Muslims right to not make a cake for gay people? I think you are missing the point . You are right if it was a muslim bakers I would make more of a fuss over it, its called balance. Why should people like you get away with defending muslims/gays and attacking white/English/Christians without any come back. When you apply the same rules and same standards to everyone that's when my views and my stance will become more moderate but whilst left wing hypocrisy is still rife and certain groups have different standards than others I won't budge an inch. It works both ways, when the left stop sticking up for muslims even though they are in the wrong and using every opportunity as an excuse to attack the majority then maybe there won't be any need for people like me to create some balance.
It's ok for one but not the other is the stance that I won't accept and until that has changed you will encounter resistance
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 21, 2015 11:42:33 GMT
So you openly admit you'd react differently if the bakers had been Muslim rather than Christian, but then in the next breath you say you are sick of hypocrisy & 'wont budge an inch' untill everyone is treated equally? I like you, Harry you've gone back into 'funny mode'
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2015 11:44:45 GMT
So you openly admit you'd react differently if the bakers had been Muslim rather than Christian, but then in the next breath you say you are sick of hypocrisy & 'wont budge an inch' untill everyone is treated equally? I like you, Harry you've gone back into 'funny mode' Comical Harry you could say.
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Post by stokeharry on May 21, 2015 11:46:50 GMT
So you openly admit you'd react differently if the bakers had been Muslim rather than Christian, but then in the next breath you say you are sick of hypocrisy & 'wont budge an inch' untill everyone is treated equally? I like you, Harry you've gone back into 'funny mode' You have purposely missed the point and purposely avoided the part where I mentioned balance. You did this to suit your agenda and anyone with any common sense will be able to see right through it. Must try harder commie Are you HONESTLY telling me you'd react the same if it was your beloved muslims that refused to bake the cake ?
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