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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 21, 2015 5:54:57 GMT
Arnie's 'continued Odyssesy' that involved him not turning up for half the season?
I like the bloke but let's not rewrite history.
Not getting in a rapid option for the wings is a major failing of the last two windows.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 21, 2015 7:39:13 GMT
I think we will find that Victor will be a lot less injured this season with his London base secured
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Post by metalhead on Sept 21, 2015 7:42:04 GMT
I think we will find that Victor will be a lot less injured this season with his London base secured To be honest, I know there's a few people depressed that we don't have him but I think it worked out best for both parties. I wish him well though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 21, 2015 7:47:26 GMT
I don't see how it's worked out well for us?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:00:59 GMT
yes no yes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2015 17:48:55 GMT
Moses is a massive miss. Our best attacker from last season for me and key to our away success. Not replacing him with a pacy winger is very daft. No doubt a great player, but how was it a massive miss? 1) we didn't own his contract and 2) he clearly had zero interest in moving north of Watford. Because he was our best attacker....
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 21, 2015 19:31:22 GMT
Arnie's 'continued Odyssesy' that involved him not turning up for half the season? I like the bloke but let's not rewrite history. Not getting in a rapid option for the wings is a major failing of the last two windows. Indicative of the fact that Hughes would rather have a line of three rotational big thighed strikers (in his own image) rather than the tricky winger thing. And as for Arnie only turning up for half of the season: I don't agree, but I'm pretty sure you'd agree, Arnie's had knocks and whatnot and he's more of a handful from the left but wasn't afforded that until Victor was injured. If you are pointing the half season finger at Arnie where does that leave Victor in the commitment stakes? I never understood why Moses wasn't given a go on the right, but he wasn't and I think there's little use pining.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 21, 2015 19:41:52 GMT
Arnie's 'continued Odyssesy' that involved him not turning up for half the season? I like the bloke but let's not rewrite history. Not getting in a rapid option for the wings is a major failing of the last two windows. Indicative of the fact that Hughes would rather have a line of three rotational big thighed strikers (in his own image) rather than the tricky winger thing. And as for Arnie only turning up for half of the season: I don't agree, but I'm pretty sure you'd agree, Arnie's had knocks and whatnot and he's more of a handful from the left but wasn't afforded that until Victor was injured. If you are pointing the half season finger at Arnie where does that leave Victor in the commitment stakes? I never understood why Moses wasn't given a go on the right, but he wasn't and I think there's little use pining. Arnie started the season in the team and played his way out of it. I'm a big fan of his but he's enormously consistent and the only barrier to his success was him. Moses also had consistency issues but he had more good games than Arnie last season IMO, and we really need another viable wing option in case his form/fitness dips again. We had one last season, we don't now, ergo it's a big miss.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 22, 2015 1:09:58 GMT
Indicative of the fact that Hughes would rather have a line of three rotational big thighed strikers (in his own image) rather than the tricky winger thing. And as for Arnie only turning up for half of the season: I don't agree, but I'm pretty sure you'd agree, Arnie's had knocks and whatnot and he's more of a handful from the left but wasn't afforded that until Victor was injured. If you are pointing the half season finger at Arnie where does that leave Victor in the commitment stakes? I never understood why Moses wasn't given a go on the right, but he wasn't and I think there's little use pining. Arnie started the season in the team and played his way out of it. I'm a big fan of his but he's enormously consistent and the only barrier to his success was him. Moses also had consistency issues but he had more good games than Arnie last season IMO, and we really need another viable wing option in case his form/fitness dips again. We had one last season, we don't now, ergo it's a big miss. I thought Victor joined us after the start of the season, {with very little pre-season at Liverpool} and immediately upon his arrival was handed the left berth. I havn't checked the history. {I know where I might find out... cheers for the blogs Rob}. I reckon on another thread in another post you'd be a little more measured in your Arnie critique. I'd rather concentrate me thoughts on what Afellay, Shaqiri and down the line El Ouriachi Moha etc might chuck in the mix, and enjoy a left wing open for Arnie to weave some magic at the moment. {Unlikely to have seen the fost goal on saturday if Moses had been a starter [half smiley].} Rather than fretting about what Moses 'might' have added. It just smacks of avarice to wish for more than we've got up top at the moment. Next years TV deal seems to be making folk a bit soft in the head. Anyway that's a quibble, Moses was good for us, I'm not disagreeing with that at all. My original post on this thread was a reaction to the growing mood of sepia tinged memories of the recently dearly departed Stoke alumni. We should be better than that. All for discussion but it gets bogged down with the reminiscences. After all I've got over Ryan Shotton leaving. We still anner properly seen what we've got yet. I'm more interested in your thoughts on the in-play rotational front line. And whether any of the players fully understand it?
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Post by upthefud on Sept 22, 2015 2:17:31 GMT
Arnie's 'continued Odyssesy' that involved him not turning up for half the season? I like the bloke but let's not rewrite history. Not getting in a rapid option for the wings is a major failing of the last two windows. Indicative of the fact that Hughes would rather have a line of three rotational big thighed strikers (in his own image) rather than the tricky winger thing. And as for Arnie only turning up for half of the season: I don't agree, but I'm pretty sure you'd agree, Arnie's had knocks and whatnot and he's more of a handful from the left but wasn't afforded that until Victor was injured. If you are pointing the half season finger at Arnie where does that leave Victor in the commitment stakes? I never understood why Moses wasn't given a go on the right, but he wasn't and I think there's little use pining. Or indicative of the fact that we couldn't get Yarmo, Kono or Moses and Hughes wasn't a winger. When has Arnie been consistent? He wasn't even consistent against Leicester in his last game. Moses' shockers (Castle stands out but hadn't his bird just given birth?) were a lot more infrequent and even then his pace still caused opposition defences something to think about. When Arnie is off form (more often than not) he's about as useful as a chocolate tea pot. Moses was excellent on the left so why move him to the right to accommodate a player who wasn't doing the business? Especially when Walters was working well with Bojan from the right... We miss Moses and he's proving how good he can be at WHU already.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 22, 2015 5:57:23 GMT
Arnie started the season in the team and played his way out of it. I'm a big fan of his but he's enormously consistent and the only barrier to his success was him. Moses also had consistency issues but he had more good games than Arnie last season IMO, and we really need another viable wing option in case his form/fitness dips again. We had one last season, we don't now, ergo it's a big miss. I thought Victor joined us after the start of the season, {with very little pre-season at Liverpool} and immediately upon his arrival was handed the left berth. I havn't checked the history. {I know where I might find out... cheers for the blogs Rob}. I reckon on another thread in another post you'd be a little more measured in your Arnie critique. I'd rather concentrate me thoughts on what Afellay, Shaqiri and down the line El Ouriachi Moha etc might chuck in the mix, and enjoy a left wing open for Arnie to weave some magic at the moment. {Unlikely to have seen the fost goal on saturday if Moses had been a starter [half smiley].} Rather than fretting about what Moses 'might' have added. It just smacks of avarice to wish for more than we've got up top at the moment. Next years TV deal seems to be making folk a bit soft in the head. Anyway that's a quibble, Moses was good for us, I'm not disagreeing with that at all. My original post on this thread was a reaction to the growing mood of sepia tinged memories of the recently dearly departed Stoke alumni. We should be better than that. All for discussion but it gets bogged down with the reminiscences. After all I've got over Ryan Shotton leaving. We still anner properly seen what we've got yet. I'm more interested in your thoughts on the in-play rotational front line. And whether any of the players fully understand it? I don't think it is avarice though mate. If Arnie is out it goes into one of his tailspins we have no proper option out there as it stands - you only have to look at how much it unbalanced the side when he went off at the weekend. I also think I'm as measured as it gets when in comes to Arnie. He's an incredibly talented footballer who's thrilling to watch but is yet to show it over the course of a full season. As far as the rotational stuff goes I'd be surprised if Hughes hadn't left it up to that trio to trust their instincts.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 22, 2015 18:01:40 GMT
I think we will find that Victor will be a lot less injured this season with his London base secured Thought exactly the same myself.
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