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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 18:34:43 GMT
That's right, especially if you don't buy a ticket Yes, if you close your eyes tight and wish really, really hard, the ridiculously unlikely suddenly becomes likely. That's your opinion mate (wrong opinion might i add ) mine is that in january and how things were at that time and don't ignore the fact they were in a terrible mess where probably any player would of wanted out of there, it could of been very likely very if we had gone balls out to get him with the right cash. It was the best chance we will ever have. I don't beleive for one minute it was the impossible task you make it out to be, supporters were pissed off with him at the time because he wasn't showing any interest.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 18:37:20 GMT
That's right, especially if you don't buy a ticket Yes, if you close your eyes tight and wish really, really hard, the ridiculously unlikely suddenly becomes likely. And even if it was £20 million, in 2 years time when the money goes up further that will be like a £10 m signing. In 2 years time we'll be quoted for £15m for very good but not outstanding players from the championship. Benteke at £20m would of been a solid investment.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 18:41:11 GMT
Yes, if you close your eyes tight and wish really, really hard, the ridiculously unlikely suddenly becomes likely. That's your opinion mate (wrong opinion might i add ) mine is that in january and how things were at that time and don't ignore the fact they were in a terrible mess where probably any player would of wanted out of there, it could of been very likely very if we had gone balls out to get him with the right cash. It was the best chance we will ever have. I don't beleive for one minute it was the impossible task you make it out to be, supporters were pissed off with him at the time because he wasn't showing any interest. Yep, my 'wrong' opinion is the one with all the evidence on its side, your 'right' one treats football like Football Manager where you click your fingers and sign a rival's best player.
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Post by adamsson on Apr 26, 2015 18:53:32 GMT
Yes, if you close your eyes tight and wish really, really hard, the ridiculously unlikely suddenly becomes likely. And even if it was £20 million, in 2 years time when the money goes up further that will be like a £10 m signing. In 2 years time we'll be quoted for £15m for very good but not outstanding players from the championship. Benteke at £20m would of been a solid investment. 20m for Benteke we would have been near the back of a very long queue.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 19:05:43 GMT
Where are these resident Villa supporters when you need them? i want them to put their 2 pence worth in again, see what they think about the situation they were in in January.
It's pointless discussing any further you are clearly defeatest merchents, typical stokie attitude towards anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 19:06:25 GMT
Every decent team is built on the foundations of a solid defence and we are no where near having a solid defence. Too much fannying around from players who are not Alan Hansen. For me Huth needs to come back alongside Ryan whose form is suffering from playing alongside the giraffe on skates. Erik at left back with the lad Trippier would be a really good solid unit with Trippier providing service from the right. Our keystone cop defending has definitely affected Beogovic as well. Hughes in my opinion needs to rethink his ideas about the back four.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 19:06:57 GMT
That's your opinion mate (wrong opinion might i add ) mine is that in january and how things were at that time and don't ignore the fact they were in a terrible mess where probably any player would of wanted out of there, it could of been very likely very if we had gone balls out to get him with the right cash. It was the best chance we will ever have. I don't beleive for one minute it was the impossible task you make it out to be, supporters were pissed off with him at the time because he wasn't showing any interest. Yep, my 'wrong' opinion is the one with all the evidence on its side, your 'right' one treats football like Football Manager where you click your fingers and sign a rival's best player. evidence? what evidence is this you speak of, you havnt given any other than "this isnt football manager you know" - cracking evidence
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 19:07:51 GMT
And even if it was £20 million, in 2 years time when the money goes up further that will be like a £10 m signing. In 2 years time we'll be quoted for £15m for very good but not outstanding players from the championship. Benteke at £20m would of been a solid investment. 20m for Benteke we would have been near the back of a very long queue. really
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 19:08:25 GMT
Every decent team is built on the foundations of a solid defence and we are no where near having a solid defence. Too much fannying around from players who are not Alan Hansen. For me Huth needs to come back alongside Ryan whose form is suffering from playing alongside the giraffe on skates. Erik at left back with the lad Trippier would be a really good solid unit with Trippier providing service from the right. Our keystone cop defending has definitely affected Beogovic as well. Hughes in my opinion needs to rethink his ideas about the back four. Agree totally. The injuries haven't helped but we definitely need to go back to basics during the summer where the defence is concerned.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:09:43 GMT
You get Muni back in the side and 3 of the 4 are sorted. Just a right back needed then.
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Post by potterglen on Apr 26, 2015 19:14:51 GMT
Tin hat here! Despite looking very shaky and making mistakes, we have only conceded 6 goals in the last six games. Unfortunately, we only managed to score 7. Of those 7 only 2 were scored by a recognized striker (Diouf). The rest were from midfield: Adam (3), Moses and Arnie. Clearly signing a good striker is highest priority for the Summer signings. Next get Huth back and get Bego some sessions with a Sports Psychologist because his confidence is totally shot. With his present form I don't any of the "big clubs" offering a lot money or giving him a starting role. Get Huth back? Dont talk so bloody stupid, he's a liability. As for Bego, he needs to sort out his contract and end the distraction or sod off and get Butland between the sticks for experience.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:17:43 GMT
Tin hat here! Despite looking very shaky and making mistakes, we have only conceded 6 goals in the last six games. Unfortunately, we only managed to score 7. Of those 7 only 2 were scored by a recognized striker (Diouf). The rest were from midfield: Adam (3), Moses and Arnie. Clearly signing a good striker is highest priority for the Summer signings. Next get Huth back and get Bego some sessions with a Sports Psychologist because his confidence is totally shot. With his present form I don't any of the "big clubs" offering a lot money or giving him a starting role. Get Huth back? Dont talk so bloody stupid, he's a liability. As for Bego, he needs to sort out his contract and end the distraction or sod off and get Butland between the sticks for experience. In what way is he a liability? He has never made the mistakes Wolly has made for us or come close to it!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 19:18:34 GMT
Get Huth back? Dont talk so bloody stupid, he's a liability. As for Bego, he needs to sort out his contract and end the distraction or sod off and get Butland between the sticks for experience. In what way is he a liability? He has never made the mistakes Wolly has made for us or come close to it! Yeah I'm struggling with that bit too.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 26, 2015 19:19:14 GMT
You get Muni back in the side and 3 of the 4 are sorted. Just a right back needed then. You can't guarantee that Muniesa will play more than 25 games a season, though. Bags of potential, but his legs seem liable to explode at any minute. For me, we need to sign a proper centre back (not one of these airy fairy types like Wilson and Wollscheid) and a right back, minimum. If Muniesa is to be exclusively considered for the centre back position then we probably need a new left back as well as cover.
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Post by Davef on Apr 26, 2015 19:19:52 GMT
Where are these resident Villa supporters when you need them? i want them to put their 2 pence worth in again, see what they think about the situation they were in in January. It's pointless discussing any further you are clearly defeatest merchents, typical stokie attitude towards anything. Typical Stokie attitude my rear end. If we had bid £15m for Christian Benteke in January we'd have been a laughing stock. Give it a rest mate.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 19:21:51 GMT
That's your opinion mate (wrong opinion might i add ) mine is that in january and how things were at that time and don't ignore the fact they were in a terrible mess where probably any player would of wanted out of there, it could of been very likely very if we had gone balls out to get him with the right cash. It was the best chance we will ever have. I don't beleive for one minute it was the impossible task you make it out to be, supporters were pissed off with him at the time because he wasn't showing any interest. Yep, my 'wrong' opinion is the one with all the evidence on its side, your 'right' one treats football like Football Manager where you click your fingers and sign a rival's best player. Oh look what i have found, a Villa fans perspective in January, page 4 down of the thread is interesting. Staffsvilla clearly states he beleives in the current circumstances at Villa 10 to 15 m would get him..... I'm inclined to agree with a Villa supporter than a Stoke one about Villa's stance. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239478/benteke?page=4
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:23:42 GMT
You get Muni back in the side and 3 of the 4 are sorted. Just a right back needed then. You can't guarantee that Muniesa will play more than 25 games a season, though. Bags of potential, but his legs seem liable to explode at any minute. For me, we need to sign a proper centre back (not one of these airy fairy types like Wilson and Wollscheid) and a right back, minimum. If Muniesa is to be exclusively considered for the centre back position then we probably need a new left back as well as cover. This is true, it's why I'd have Huth back and use them pair with Wilson as fourth choice (not sure we can better for 4th choice and even he won't be happy with it). I'd say we definitely need a back up left back (it's on my list for this summer).
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Post by discokaraoke on Apr 26, 2015 19:25:57 GMT
Defence is most certainly a problem. We're rarely overrun because we keep the ball so much better but we continually dish out free gifts to teams and any meaningful effort from a side generally ends up in our net. It's not far off being a shambles back there. Outside the BIG top 5, only Southampton have conceded less than us. Defence a shambles? Yea ok
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 19:31:00 GMT
Yep, my 'wrong' opinion is the one with all the evidence on its side, your 'right' one treats football like Football Manager where you click your fingers and sign a rival's best player. evidence? what evidence is this you speak of, you havnt given any other than "this isnt football manager you know" - cracking evidence The fact that this kind of transfer pretty much never happens, for starters. You don't appear to have considered the fact that the other club might not want to sell or the player might not want to come here.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 19:32:22 GMT
Yep, my 'wrong' opinion is the one with all the evidence on its side, your 'right' one treats football like Football Manager where you click your fingers and sign a rival's best player. Oh look what i have found, a Villa fans perspective in January, page 4 down of the thread is interesting. Staffsvilla clearly states he beleives in the current circumstances at Villa 10 to 15 m would get him..... I'm inclined to agree with a Villa supporter than a Stoke one about Villa's stance. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239478/benteke?page=4Who gives a fuck? His opinion's no more valid than yours or mine?
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 19:34:12 GMT
Oh look what i have found, a Villa fans perspective in January, page 4 down of the thread is interesting. Staffsvilla clearly states he beleives in the current circumstances at Villa 10 to 15 m would get him..... I'm inclined to agree with a Villa supporter than a Stoke one about Villa's stance. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239478/benteke?page=4Who gives a fuck? His opinion's no more valid than yours or mine? course it is and i agree with him, he knew the mood of the club at that time.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 19:36:49 GMT
Who gives a fuck? His opinion's no more valid than yours or mine? course it is and i agree with him, he knew the mood of the club at that time. So he speaks for all Villa fans does he? I work with a load mate, they don't all think the same about everything.
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Post by potterglen on Apr 26, 2015 19:37:52 GMT
Get Huth back? Dont talk so bloody stupid, he's a liability. As for Bego, he needs to sort out his contract and end the distraction or sod off and get Butland between the sticks for experience. In what way is he a liability? He has never made the mistakes Wolly has made for us or come close to it! Hasn't he? I suggest you think back to Bolton away and his passing back to Bego which cost us 2 goals in that game. What about the free kicks he's given away with his 'tackling'? Another flippant short memory post but at least you're giving Cameron a rest.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 26, 2015 19:38:40 GMT
Defence is most certainly a problem. We're rarely overrun because we keep the ball so much better but we continually dish out free gifts to teams and any meaningful effort from a side generally ends up in our net. It's not far off being a shambles back there. Outside the BIG top 5, only Southampton have conceded less than us. Defence a shambles? Yea ok It's a walking fucking nervous breakdown. The amount of goals conceded as proportion of shots on target is horrific.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:39:35 GMT
In what way is he a liability? He has never made the mistakes Wolly has made for us or come close to it! Hasn't he? I suggest you think back to Bolton away and his passing back to Bego which cost us 2 goals in that game. What about the free kicks he's given away with his 'tackling'? Another flippant short memory post but at least you're giving Cameron a rest. No he hasn't. I'd go and see the Cameron posts, he was fucking dreadful yesterday!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 26, 2015 19:44:15 GMT
You can't guarantee that Muniesa will play more than 25 games a season, though. Bags of potential, but his legs seem liable to explode at any minute. For me, we need to sign a proper centre back (not one of these airy fairy types like Wilson and Wollscheid) and a right back, minimum. If Muniesa is to be exclusively considered for the centre back position then we probably need a new left back as well as cover. This is true, it's why I'd have Huth back and use them pair with Wilson as fourth choice (not sure we can better for 4th choice and even he won't be happy with it). I'd say we definitely need a back up left back (it's on my list for this summer). Indeed. A pool of defenders consisting of: A new right back. Shawcross Huth Muniesa Pieters Wilson Is easily good enough for us.
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Post by potterglen on Apr 26, 2015 19:46:00 GMT
Hasn't he? I suggest you think back to Bolton away and his passing back to Bego which cost us 2 goals in that game. What about the free kicks he's given away with his 'tackling'? Another flippant short memory post but at least you're giving Cameron a rest. No he hasn't. I'd go and see the Cameron posts, he was fucking dreadful yesterday!
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 26, 2015 19:49:06 GMT
Did you miss all that stuff before? This isn't Football Manager. All that stuff you mention there is exceptionally hard to do, which is why it hardly ever happens. Why wouldn't Benteke wait for a bigger fish? Why would he be so desperate to commit to a move in January, notoriously a time when fewer clubs do business? How do you think Villa fans would react to them selling their star player in the middle of a relegation battle? What type of message does that send out? Star players don't move from middling clubs to middling clubs, as a rule. Sorry mate I don't buy that, if you want something enough and make the effort it can pay divedends, Villa had absolutely nothing going for them in January, Villa fans were ringing in radio stations severly depressed and it's also obvious they won't be spending in the forseeable future. Compare that to Stoke who are a club on the up improving each season, we have changed our football and have a very good manager who will be here for the next 5 years if stoke have their way and will with the right backing hit top 6 and surely win a cup. Villa won't be hitting the top 6 for the next 10 years if the last 5 are anyting to go by. Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for but it If we arn't willing to go that extra mile then I agree we will never be attractive to next level players, but it won't because we are a smaller club (in ground capacity) it will be because players know we won't go the extra mile to bring in other players of the same standing in the game. If we got a Benteke in the next benteke wouldn't be as difficult to aquire. Portsmouth signed Jermaine defoe and crouch and others, being portsmouth didn't stop them leaving spurs or wherever they were at the time did it? I'm not suggesting we become Portsmouth, and lets face it we wouldn't have to because the money in the prem now is ridiculous it just comes down to the balls and nouse to spend it on the right players. Point 1 - we wont hit the top 6 with the right backing in a long long long long long long long time.....if ever so forget that for a start Point 2 - Surely win a cup..? - possibly. Point 3 - Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for....possibly. I dont give a shit if people laugh at what Im typing here but having Bojan in the team next season could well sway a couple of players minds to come here Point 4 - ultimatly comes down to money and to get these players we need to go the extra mile.....I like the way we've built it up over the years but to go the extra mile as you say is a dangerous game to play as you alluded to further on with the Portsmounth analogy. I hope Coates and Co. keep the status quo as it is. Players know the lay of the land at Stoke...... a very decent signing on fee and reasonable wages for the Premier League. If they want more than fuck em.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 19:53:05 GMT
Sorry mate I don't buy that, if you want something enough and make the effort it can pay divedends, Villa had absolutely nothing going for them in January, Villa fans were ringing in radio stations severly depressed and it's also obvious they won't be spending in the forseeable future. Compare that to Stoke who are a club on the up improving each season, we have changed our football and have a very good manager who will be here for the next 5 years if stoke have their way and will with the right backing hit top 6 and surely win a cup. Villa won't be hitting the top 6 for the next 10 years if the last 5 are anyting to go by. Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for but it If we arn't willing to go that extra mile then I agree we will never be attractive to next level players, but it won't because we are a smaller club (in ground capacity) it will be because players know we won't go the extra mile to bring in other players of the same standing in the game. If we got a Benteke in the next benteke wouldn't be as difficult to aquire. Portsmouth signed Jermaine defoe and crouch and others, being portsmouth didn't stop them leaving spurs or wherever they were at the time did it? I'm not suggesting we become Portsmouth, and lets face it we wouldn't have to because the money in the prem now is ridiculous it just comes down to the balls and nouse to spend it on the right players. Point 1 - we wont hit the top 6 with the right backing in a long long long long long long long time.....if ever so forget that for a start Point 2 - Surely win a cup..? - possibly. Point 3 - Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for....possibly. I dont give a shit if people laugh at what Im typing here but having Bojan in the team next season could well sway a couple of players minds to come here Point 4 - ultimatly comes down to money and to get these players we need to go the extra mile.....I like the way we've built it up over the years but to go the extra mile as you say is a dangerous game to play as you alluded to further on with the Portsmounth analogy. I hope Coates and Co. keep the status quo as it is. Players know the lay of the land at Stoke...... a very decent signing on fee and reasonable wages for the Premier League. If they want more than fuck em. Without injuries to key players this season we wouldn't of been far off top 6 this season imo, chuck a goalscorer in and we have an even greater chance. I think we will prioritise a cup in the next 5 years which is more you can say for any of the top 4 clubs.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 26, 2015 20:08:23 GMT
You can't guarantee that Muniesa will play more than 25 games a season, though. Bags of potential, but his legs seem liable to explode at any minute. For me, we need to sign a proper centre back (not one of these airy fairy types like Wilson and Wollscheid) and a right back, minimum. If Muniesa is to be exclusively considered for the centre back position then we probably need a new left back as well as cover. This is true, it's why I'd have Huth back and use them pair with Wilson as fourth choice (not sure we can better for 4th choice and even he won't be happy with it). I'd say we definitely need a back up left back (it's on my list for this summer). That would do for me, but... I'm not sure that it's actually realistic because I'm not sure that Hughes wants Huth at the club and I'm not sure I trust trust our fitness people to keep him strapped up and fully functioning. Realistically speaking, I think we need a good centre back in.
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