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Post by coupe on Apr 26, 2015 16:31:55 GMT
Not really, wasn't going to happen in January in the real world. it would of done with the right money, benteke was well out of form and villa looked to literally have no hope. Even them villa fans that come on here said with the right cash lerner would cash in. We'd of got him in that shape for £15M. No way we would we have got him by the way Villa fans also said Learner would never sack Lambert
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 16:32:00 GMT
How do you define a 'big club' anyway, if a big club means a big club like villa because they have a larger attendence and really nothing else in their favour compared to Stoke who for a ground of less than 30k attendence pisses all over villa in every other department, who is the bigger club? The club is as big as the boards ambition in my eyes. Aston Villa are a bigger club than Stoke City in pretty much every capacity.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 16:33:08 GMT
The days of big clubs outside the top 4 are gone, it's pretty much asn even playing field, ground size is fuck all anymore, a big club is defined by their owners ambition.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 26, 2015 16:33:09 GMT
Our defence is less of a problem when a proper defensive midfielder sits just in front. We sacrificed that role yesterday to get the win playing Charlie and Ireland and it didn't pay off. I expect to see Glenn back next week doing everyone's dirty work. If we do need anything particularly its a proper DM to break things up and play simple passes to our attacking threat
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 16:33:18 GMT
So you wouldn't, say, hold to to see if a bigger club that could match your Villa wages (a rumoured £80,000 a week) came in? Or instruct your agent to alert bigger clubs here and abroad to your availability? Or sit tight until the summer when clubs are more inclined to do business? How are they any more of a selling club than we are? Villa under that chairman are doomed, Sherwood is a flash in the pan who will go in the summer, have a look at villas signings for the past 3 years and the success of them. They are holding onto the Premiership by the skin of their nails. If we a forward thinking club going in the right direction can't snatch their better players with proper tabled bids and be attractive to these said players then it's time to pack in. It's amazing what a bit of ambition could get with a manager thatswants to break the clubs transfer record to bring you in. Why has no other forward thinking upwardly mobile Premier League club thought to do this if it's that easy. That just isn't how football works.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 16:34:36 GMT
How do you define a 'big club' anyway, if a big club means a big club like villa because they have a larger attendence and really nothing else in their favour compared to Stoke who for a ground of less than 30k attendence pisses all over villa in every other department, who is the bigger club? The club is as big as the boards ambition in my eyes. Aston Villa are a bigger club than Stoke City in pretty much every capacity. Not in the league for the past 5 years they havnt been, they have been dire and why any player would of wanted to go there is beyond me.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 26, 2015 16:36:22 GMT
You're spouting such utter bollocks talking about how Benteke feels, what kind of owner their chairman is etc... You don't know what goes on behind closed doors so please stop telling us everyone elses' opinions for the love of god You're posting some absolute bollocks Think it's you underselling scfc to be honest. Villa are on a downward spiral wether you can see it or not and if we can't steal their better players with everything we have in our favour it's time to pack in. At least trying to do it would be a start. Villa will win the Cup Final and be in Europe next season. Not sure that is a downward spiral, in fact it could be the start of an upward one. Benteke to Stoke - OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK then.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 16:38:45 GMT
Villa under that chairman are doomed, Sherwood is a flash in the pan who will go in the summer, have a look at villas signings for the past 3 years and the success of them. They are holding onto the Premiership by the skin of their nails. If we a forward thinking club going in the right direction can't snatch their better players with proper tabled bids and be attractive to these said players then it's time to pack in. It's amazing what a bit of ambition could get with a manager thatswants to break the clubs transfer record to bring you in. Why has no other forward thinking upwardly mobile Premier League club thought to do this if it's that easy. That just isn't how football works. How does it work then, usually you put a good bid in, offer a good wage and sell your ambition to the player? yes? What ambition have aston villa got that Stoke havn't?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 16:39:28 GMT
We need the next Benteke. Everyone is scouting Oulare's lad at Brugge.
Let's hope we are one of them if he's any good.
It could be a solid investment.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 16:40:37 GMT
Think it's you underselling scfc to be honest. Villa are on a downward spiral wether you can see it or not and if we can't steal their better players with everything we have in our favour it's time to pack in. At least trying to do it would be a start. Villa will win the Cup Final and be in Europe next season. Not sure that is a downward spiral, in fact it could be the start of an upward one. Benteke to Stoke - OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK then. And if they win it did you forsee that in January? Villa might end up in the euro cup next year but they will be out of it even faster What I do know is small time thinking will get you small time results.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 26, 2015 16:42:15 GMT
Villa will win the Cup Final and be in Europe next season. Not sure that is a downward spiral, in fact it could be the start of an upward one. Benteke to Stoke - OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK then. And if they win it did you forsee that in January? Villa might end up in the euro cup next year but they will be out of it even faster What I do know is small time thinking will get you small time results. I agree mate but if Benteke is available he ain't coming to Stoke, even if we offer £15million.
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 26, 2015 16:43:01 GMT
They won't even need to win the fa cup to be in Europe, they haven't got the squad to cope with Europe n certainly won't be splashing the cash. Next year will see them relegated imo. Been on borrowed time for ages. The added Europa fixtures will screw them up.
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Post by retired1 on Apr 26, 2015 16:43:19 GMT
Even with Messi or Ronaldo in the side we would struggle as we concede too many stupid schoolboy mistake goals. It's embarrassing at times. New defenders needed along with someone who can score into double figures each season, and not just 11 or 12 but pushing 20.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 16:44:01 GMT
And if they win it did you forsee that in January? Villa might end up in the euro cup next year but they will be out of it even faster What I do know is small time thinking will get you small time results. I agree mate but if Benteke is available he ain't coming to Stoke, even if we offer £15million. I appreciate that now mate, but in january I beleive with the right intent we could of got him.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 26, 2015 16:45:28 GMT
Defence is most certainly a problem. We're rarely overrun because we keep the ball so much better but we continually dish out free gifts to teams and any meaningful effort from a side generally ends up in our net. It's not far off being a shambles back there. Take your point but a different perspective could be that if we were capable (more often than not) of scoring more frequently, than the loss of a goal to stupidity/incompetence/carelessness would not have such an impact on our tactics. More in favour of aiming for 3-2, 3-1, 4-2 than spending too much time keeping a clean sheet (pleasing though they are to the attrition-based theorists )
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 16:48:11 GMT
Why has no other forward thinking upwardly mobile Premier League club thought to do this if it's that easy. That just isn't how football works. How does it work then, usually you put a good bid in, offer a good wage and sell your ambition to the player? yes? What ambition have aston villa got that Stoke havn't? Did you miss all that stuff before? This isn't Football Manager. All that stuff you mention there is exceptionally hard to do, which is why it hardly ever happens. Why wouldn't Benteke wait for a bigger fish? Why would he be so desperate to commit to a move in January, notoriously a time when fewer clubs do business? How do you think Villa fans would react to them selling their star player in the middle of a relegation battle? What type of message does that send out? Star players don't move from middling clubs to middling clubs, as a rule.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 26, 2015 16:48:20 GMT
Defence, and not being able to settle on a 'settled' back four, {and Whelan's pre xmas broken leg, and injury now.} have been a problem. Ordinarily this season would have been more than satisfactory, we might well still beat our highest position and points total. But this season will be tinged with thoughts of 'what could have been'. Accompanied by the whiff of linament and bandages. Injuries have been the main problem: Odemwingie, Bojan, Moses, Muniesa, Huth, Shawcross, Whelan and niggles with Cameron, Arnie, Pieters, Ireland and even Crouch and SJW. Our treatment table has been season defining. Re-establishing the telepathic triumvirate of Huth Shawcross and Begovic would be great {but probably a pipe dream}.
I do think we could get more bodies in the box attacking crosses, corners and free kicks though too.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 17:03:59 GMT
How does it work then, usually you put a good bid in, offer a good wage and sell your ambition to the player? yes? What ambition have aston villa got that Stoke havn't? Did you miss all that stuff before? This isn't Football Manager. All that stuff you mention there is exceptionally hard to do, which is why it hardly ever happens. Why wouldn't Benteke wait for a bigger fish? Why would he be so desperate to commit to a move in January, notoriously a time when fewer clubs do business? How do you think Villa fans would react to them selling their star player in the middle of a relegation battle? What type of message does that send out? Star players don't move from middling clubs to middling clubs, as a rule. Sorry mate I don't buy that, if you want something enough and make the effort it can pay divedends, Villa had absolutely nothing going for them in January, Villa fans were ringing in radio stations severly depressed and it's also obvious they won't be spending in the forseeable future. Compare that to Stoke who are a club on the up improving each season, we have changed our football and have a very good manager who will be here for the next 5 years if stoke have their way and will with the right backing hit top 6 and surely win a cup. Villa won't be hitting the top 6 for the next 10 years if the last 5 are anyting to go by. Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for but it ultimatly comes down to money and to get these players we need to go the extra mile. If we arn't willing to go that extra mile then I agree we will never be attractive to next level players, but it won't because we are a smaller club (in ground capacity) it will be because players know we won't go the extra mile to bring in other players of the same standing in the game. If we got a Benteke in the next benteke wouldn't be as difficult to aquire. Portsmouth signed Jermaine defoe and crouch and others, being portsmouth didn't stop them leaving spurs or wherever they were at the time did it? I'm not suggesting we become Portsmouth, and lets face it we wouldn't have to because the money in the prem now is ridiculous it just comes down to the balls and nouse to spend it on the right players.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 17:20:06 GMT
Did you miss all that stuff before? This isn't Football Manager. All that stuff you mention there is exceptionally hard to do, which is why it hardly ever happens. Why wouldn't Benteke wait for a bigger fish? Why would he be so desperate to commit to a move in January, notoriously a time when fewer clubs do business? How do you think Villa fans would react to them selling their star player in the middle of a relegation battle? What type of message does that send out? Star players don't move from middling clubs to middling clubs, as a rule. Sorry mate I don't buy that, if you want something enough and make the effort it can pay divedends, Villa had absolutely nothing going for them in January, Villa fans were ringing in radio stations severly depressed and it's also obvious they won't be spending in the forseeable future. Compare that to Stoke who are a club on the up improving each season, we have changed our football and have a very good manager who will be here for the next 5 years if stoke have their way and will with the right backing hit top 6 and surely win a cup. Villa won't be hitting the top 6 for the next 10 years if the last 5 are anyting to go by. Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for but it ultimatly comes down to money and to get these players we need to go the extra mile. If we arn't willing to go that extra mile then I agree we will never be attractive to next level players, but it won't because we are a smaller club (in ground capacity) it will be because players know we won't go the extra mile to bring in other players of the same standing in the game. If we got a Benteke in the next benteke wouldn't be as difficult to aquire. Portsmouth signed Jermaine defoe and crouch and others, being portsmouth didn't stop them leaving spurs or wherever they were at the time did it? I'm not suggesting we become Portsmouth, and lets face it we wouldn't have to because the money in the prem now is ridiculous it just comes down to the balls and nouse to spend it on the right players. Crouch and Defoe weren't playing regularly for their clubs. Benteke is Aston Villa's star player. Don't buy it all you want, evidence says it's the reality.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 17:24:07 GMT
Sorry mate I don't buy that, if you want something enough and make the effort it can pay divedends, Villa had absolutely nothing going for them in January, Villa fans were ringing in radio stations severly depressed and it's also obvious they won't be spending in the forseeable future. Compare that to Stoke who are a club on the up improving each season, we have changed our football and have a very good manager who will be here for the next 5 years if stoke have their way and will with the right backing hit top 6 and surely win a cup. Villa won't be hitting the top 6 for the next 10 years if the last 5 are anyting to go by. Stoke as a potential club are surely more attractive than people gives us credit for but it ultimatly comes down to money and to get these players we need to go the extra mile. If we arn't willing to go that extra mile then I agree we will never be attractive to next level players, but it won't because we are a smaller club (in ground capacity) it will be because players know we won't go the extra mile to bring in other players of the same standing in the game. If we got a Benteke in the next benteke wouldn't be as difficult to aquire. Portsmouth signed Jermaine defoe and crouch and others, being portsmouth didn't stop them leaving spurs or wherever they were at the time did it? I'm not suggesting we become Portsmouth, and lets face it we wouldn't have to because the money in the prem now is ridiculous it just comes down to the balls and nouse to spend it on the right players. Crouch and Defoe weren't playing regularly for their clubs. Benteke is Aston Villa's star player. Don't buy it all you want, evidence says it's the reality. Makes no odds for me Villa were penciled in for relegation, they lack managerial consistecy and a willingness to spend. If we don't spend on next level players soon a lot of good work could be undone as our better players will surely leave should a couple with next level ambition come in for them. With all this money that clubs are about to receive, I hope we will compete or we will go backwards. in the next few years if we don't up our own spending we will be blown out of the water.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 17:25:50 GMT
Crouch and Defoe weren't playing regularly for their clubs. Benteke is Aston Villa's star player. Don't buy it all you want, evidence says it's the reality. Makes no odds for me Villa were penciled in for relegation, they lack managerial consistecy and a willingness to spend. If we don't spend on next level players soon a lot of good work could be undone as our better players will surely leave should a couple with next level ambition come in. With all this money that clubs are about to receive, I hope we will compete or we will go backwards. I'm not saying don't sign next level players. Just realistic ones. Our only hope of signing Benteke is if they go down.
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 17:26:24 GMT
Mike ashley is as simalar chairman to villas, he'd sell his mother for a few million regardless of the consequences
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 17:27:42 GMT
Makes no odds for me Villa were penciled in for relegation, they lack managerial consistecy and a willingness to spend. If we don't spend on next level players soon a lot of good work could be undone as our better players will surely leave should a couple with next level ambition come in. With all this money that clubs are about to receive, I hope we will compete or we will go backwards. I'm not saying don't sign next level players. Just realistic ones. Our only hope of signing Benteke is if they go down. We'll stand no chance now mate because our benteke ship has sailed. there didn't look a market for him in January that was the perfect opportunity
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Post by 2004 on Apr 26, 2015 17:35:10 GMT
Yes it is. As is the goalkeeper.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 26, 2015 17:46:09 GMT
It's not the case that just one part of the team is the problem. More than one area of the team isn't functioning to best effect. But they aren't major problems. The table shows that we're better than most teams in this league.
Hughsey has showed himself to be very shrewd in the transfer market and my guess is that he's already got plans to address these areas in close season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 17:58:05 GMT
I'm not saying don't sign next level players. Just realistic ones. Our only hope of signing Benteke is if they go down. We'll stand no chance now mate because our benteke ship has sailed. there didn't look a market for him in January that was the perfect opportunity The ship was never there to begin with!
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 26, 2015 18:20:34 GMT
Like most things, its never just black and white.
We havent had a settled back four all season. Not only that but we havent had a settled side all season so have struggled with consistency. Wollys form has been hit and miss. The positioning of Nzonzi and Whelan means midfield struggle to get out of our half. Ireland needs others round him to do his running at times.
A consistent back four of Pieters, Muniesa, Shawcross, Bardsley and a consistent midfield two of Nzonzi and Sidwell would see us improve quite a bit
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Post by viewfrominside on Apr 26, 2015 18:21:56 GMT
We'll stand no chance now mate because our benteke ship has sailed. there didn't look a market for him in January that was the perfect opportunity The ship was never there to begin with! That's right, especially if you don't buy a ticket
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 18:24:07 GMT
There is no problem, we are bloody amazing.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 26, 2015 18:24:14 GMT
The ship was never there to begin with! That's right, especially if you don't buy a ticket Yes, if you close your eyes tight and wish really, really hard, the ridiculously unlikely suddenly becomes likely.
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