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Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2015 12:33:54 GMT
We have zero chance of signing Benteke. He'll go for £20-25million.
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 12:40:21 GMT
I'll let you file this post under generous if you want. In the day and age that we live, with it being harder and harder to establish teams in the top flight and to progress them due to the elitism that exists in our game, I honestly think that Pulis taking us from 4th bottom in the Championship with disinterested owners and having spent a good 16 years plodding about the lower leagues and losing to the likes of Nuneaton, all the way to the Europa League knockout stages and an FA Cup Final isn't a million miles from the legacy Clough built at Forest. As you know Clough's fall from grace was far worse than Pulis' fall from grace, but that relegation season from which Forest have never recovered is glossed over. The fact that Hughes has done so well from the off is testament to the players TP left behind. Him and Coates are genuine Stoke City heroes EDIT: I'm in no way comparing Pulis to Clough who along with Robson and Fergie are the greatest managers this country has produced. I'm just saying we should use him as an example as to how we remember the man who put us back on the map And I don't disagree. I just don't think, personally, we can pick and choose the bits of history we want to remember. I also think Hughes deserves the bulk of the credit for how we've done under Hughes. No doubt we were left a strong backbone but the team he inherited had won four of its last 19/20 games and was reportedly riven with divisions. Hughes has done fantastically well, he's added to the squad where it needed adding to and were genuinely upwardly mobile again. I won't dispute that with you because I agree. When he came in a few of us were worried in how the squad would react to new ideas. Whilst Hughes was implementing this we slipped into the bottom three around this time last year(?). It was the players like Begovic and Shawcross who were the rock and allowed us to build. Without them Hughes would have needed a £20m outlay at least. Let's compare that to say the situation Coterill left Pulis in back in 2002. If a new chairman comes in and fires us to the top 6 we shouldn't forget what Coates has done in the same way that although Hughes is progressing us the foundations were left in the now heavily criticised previous regime.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2015 12:42:52 GMT
And I don't disagree. I just don't think, personally, we can pick and choose the bits of history we want to remember. I also think Hughes deserves the bulk of the credit for how we've done under Hughes. No doubt we were left a strong backbone but the team he inherited had won four of its last 19/20 games and was reportedly riven with divisions. Hughes has done fantastically well, he's added to the squad where it needed adding to and were genuinely upwardly mobile again. I won't dispute that with you because I agree. When he came in a few of us were worried in how the squad would react to new ideas. Whilst Hughes was implementing this we slipped into the bottom three around this time last year(?). It was the players like Begovic and Shawcross who were the rock and allowed us to build. Without them Hughes would have needed a £20m outlay at least. Let's compare that to say the situation Coterill left Pulis in back in 2002. If a new chairman comes in and fires us to the top 6 we shouldn't forget what Coates has done in the same way that although Hughes is progressing us the foundations were left in the now heavily criticised previous regime. Please don't harp on about situations left by previous managers. Think back to when Pulis was sacked the first time. I agree Pulis left a solid spine for Hughes, given the money spent it would have been a derelict of duty for him not to.
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Jan 18, 2015 12:44:56 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 12:44:56 GMT
Hughes has done fantastically well, he's added to the squad where it needed adding to and were genuinely upwardly mobile again. I won't dispute that with you because I agree. When he came in a few of us were worried in how the squad would react to new ideas. Whilst Hughes was implementing this we slipped into the bottom three around this time last year(?). It was the players like Begovic and Shawcross who were the rock and allowed us to build. Without them Hughes would have needed a £20m outlay at least. Let's compare that to say the situation Coterill left Pulis in back in 2002. If a new chairman comes in and fires us to the top 6 we shouldn't forget what Coates has done in the same way that although Hughes is progressing us the foundations were left in the now heavily criticised previous regime. Please don't harp on about situations left by previous managers. Think back to when Pulis was sacked the first time. I agree Pulis left a solid spine for Hughes, given the money spent it would have been a derelict of duty for him not to. The Icelanders were at their wits end and had pulled the plug, I don't think that's the same situation whatsoever
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2015 12:46:04 GMT
Please don't harp on about situations left by previous managers. Think back to when Pulis was sacked the first time. I agree Pulis left a solid spine for Hughes, given the money spent it would have been a derelict of duty for him not to. The Icelanders were at their wits end and had pulled the plug, I don't think that's the same situation whatsoever Pulis brought in over 35 players in his first spell but left Boskamp with 9 first teamers. Come on mate.
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Jan 18, 2015 12:47:47 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 12:47:47 GMT
The Icelanders were at their wits end and had pulled the plug, I don't think that's the same situation whatsoever Pulis brought in over 35 players in his first spell but left Boskamp with 9 first teamers. Come on mate. So you think he just let them up sticks and leave? Shall we forget the whole new contract a month before he was sacked? You can't blame him with the madmen in charge
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2015 12:50:19 GMT
Why don't you bore off with the same old fucking argument!!! TP doesn't live here anymore.
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Jan 18, 2015 12:52:46 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 12:52:46 GMT
Why don't you bore off with the same old fucking argument!!! TP doesn't live here anymore. Yeah he's gone now, maybe he should just forget about the DLT and we'll all move on and pretend he never happened?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2015 12:56:14 GMT
We're on the verge of something again at Stoke City. The club and the previous manager ballsed it up last time and it's making Coates reticent to invest big again. In the summer a statement of intent would be a new deal for Bojan, a £15million centre forward and filling in the corner. This will send a big signal to Hughes that we are serious and make him want to stick around. We've got the money, why are we pissing around? How would filling in the corner show any kind of statement
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 18, 2015 12:57:36 GMT
Why don't you bore off with the same old fucking argument!!! TP doesn't live here anymore. Yeah he's gone now, maybe he should just forget about the DLT and we'll all move on and pretend he never happened? No one is saying that, well I'm not, he has a great legacy here BUT!!! This continuous bickering and arguing that takes over every thread (or so that's how it seems) is tiresome, boring and done with. It is the same thing repeated time and again. If you want to discuss the whys and wherefores of the TP regime, start a thread and keep it there, that way the sane folk can carry on reading interesting stuff about our club without constantly living in the past. Just a thought.
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Jan 18, 2015 13:00:23 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 13:00:23 GMT
Yeah he's gone now, maybe he should just forget about the DLT and we'll all move on and pretend he never happened? No one is saying that, well I'm not, he has a great legacy here BUT!!! This continuous bickering and arguing that takes over every thread (or so that's how it seems) is tiresome, boring and done with. It is the same thing repeated time and again. If you want to discuss the whys and wherefores of the TP regime, start a thread and keep it there, that way the sane folk can carry on reading interesting stuff about our club without constantly living in the past. Just a thought. It has a relevance to this thread due to the money mentioned. Also it's been a decent debate with no mud slinging or abuse. We've constantly referred to the Benteke deal again with differing opinions. It's a football debate. Pulis spent over 10 years here, it's inevitable he'll still pop up here and there
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 18, 2015 13:05:31 GMT
I was just grateful for a break from the silliness over Benteke.
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Post by viewfrominside on Jan 18, 2015 13:10:48 GMT
I reckon Hughes would like Adebayor on loan
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Post by stokiemarc on Jan 18, 2015 13:17:03 GMT
I reckon Hughes would like Adebayor on loan I reckon lots of managers would. He is a great player but he hasn't played much this season and we'd have to hope Hughes could motivate him.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 18, 2015 13:50:32 GMT
We're on the verge of something again at Stoke City. The club and the previous manager ballsed it up last time and it's making Coates reticent to invest big again. In the summer a statement of intent would be a new deal for Bojan, a £15million centre forward and filling in the corner. This will send a big signal to Hughes that we are serious and make him want to stick around. We've got the money, why are we pissing around? How would filling in the corner show any kind of statement If you can't work it out then more fool you.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 18, 2015 13:53:50 GMT
I would imagine Villa fans would read this and respond to it like when we see Everton fans thinking they have a chance with Shawcross. not this one mate, CB will never score many goals the way we are playing and you know the end is near when he dont look interested, in your side i'd back him to get 10-15 between now and the end of the season and i reckon it would take anything between 10-15 million to get him due to his record of being crocked, he's young so potentially great sell on value, you get 2-3 good seasons out of him and around the next World cup you'd be looking at doubling your money
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 18, 2015 13:59:47 GMT
I would imagine Villa fans would read this and respond to it like when we see Everton fans thinking they have a chance with Shawcross. not this one mate, CB will never score many goals the way we are playing and you know the end is near when he dont look interested, in your side i'd back him to get 10-15 between now and the end of the season and i reckon it would take anything between 10-15 million to get him due to his record of being crocked, he's young so potentially great sell on value, you get 2-3 good seasons out of him and around the next World cup you'd be looking at doubling your money Yeah, he'd be excellent. Zero chance of him coming here, that's the point.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 18, 2015 14:01:44 GMT
How would filling in the corner show any kind of statement If you can't work it out then more fool you. Wasting money isn't a good show of intent.
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 18, 2015 14:14:21 GMT
Back in the real world, not going to happen. No chance. i agree
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 18, 2015 14:31:56 GMT
Where are all these "big clubs" lining up to sign him?
I'm not saying that we'll sign him (are we even interested) but if we were I'm sure we'd be a decent option for him,he might well be the kind of player that could push us up towards the European places.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 18, 2015 14:32:44 GMT
not this one mate, CB will never score many goals the way we are playing and you know the end is near when he dont look interested, in your side i'd back him to get 10-15 between now and the end of the season and i reckon it would take anything between 10-15 million to get him due to his record of being crocked, he's young so potentially great sell on value, you get 2-3 good seasons out of him and around the next World cup you'd be looking at doubling your money Yeah, he'd be excellent. Zero chance of him coming here, that's the point. my point mate is that if you make an offer that is acceptable to The Villa and he comes for talks and it's a straight shoot out between Sparky talking him into joining Stoke or the mumbling idiot convincing him to stay you might as well start looking forward to 'The beast' in a stoke shirt , and make no mistake in Lerner's world of cost cutting and delusion's he will cash in and hope that Kozak will fill the void
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Jan 18, 2015 14:38:59 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 14:38:59 GMT
Yeah, he'd be excellent. Zero chance of him coming here, that's the point. my point mate is that if you make an offer that is acceptable to The Villa and he comes for talks and it's a straight shoot out between Sparky talking him into joining Stoke or the mumbling idiot convincing him to stay you might as well start looking forward to 'The beast' in a stoke shirt , and make no mistake in Lerner's world of cost cutting and delusion's he will cash in and hope that Kozak will fill the void Completely agree Staffs. Are you confident of avoiding the drop?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2015 14:39:48 GMT
my point mate is that if you make an offer that is acceptable to The Villa and he comes for talks and it's a straight shoot out between Sparky talking him into joining Stoke or the mumbling idiot convincing him to stay you might as well start looking forward to 'The beast' in a stoke shirt , and make no mistake in Lerner's world of cost cutting and delusion's he will cash in and hope that Kozak will fill the void Completely agree Staffs. Are you confident of avoiding the drop? And if we have a bid accepted, the world and his wife will jump in too....
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Jan 18, 2015 14:40:55 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 14:40:55 GMT
Completely agree Staffs. Are you confident of avoiding the drop? And if we have a bid accepted, the world and his wife will jump in too.... Liverpool and Spurs would be sniffing. Who else?
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Jan 18, 2015 14:42:07 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 18, 2015 14:42:07 GMT
Would take Benteke in an instant but it would require him to be available. At his age and ability to score if given good service, break the bank with the fee.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 18, 2015 14:43:28 GMT
Where are all these "big clubs" lining up to sign him? I'm not saying that we'll sign him (are we even interested) but if we were I'm sure we'd be a decent option for him,he might well be the kind of player that could push us up towards the European places. It'd be suicide if Villa sold him now. Looks like there'll be a mass exodus in the summer, especially if they go down.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jan 18, 2015 14:45:34 GMT
Yeah, he'd be excellent. Zero chance of him coming here, that's the point. my point mate is that if you make an offer that is acceptable to The Villa and he comes for talks and it's a straight shoot out between Sparky talking him into joining Stoke or the mumbling idiot convincing him to stay you might as well start looking forward to 'The beast' in a stoke shirt , and make no mistake in Lerner's world of cost cutting and delusion's he will cash in and hope that Kozak will fill the void I think he'd prefer to see who else might want him. He'll have his eye on a big move and I think the climate at Villa would prevent an immediate sale.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2015 14:45:46 GMT
And if we have a bid accepted, the world and his wife will jump in too.... Liverpool and Spurs would be sniffing. Who else? He'd fit well at Dortmund. A few Italian clubs are striker hunting too. I think he'd end up at Spurs though even with Harold "is he really that good" Kane.
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Jan 18, 2015 14:46:12 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Jan 18, 2015 14:46:12 GMT
Where are all these "big clubs" lining up to sign him? I'm not saying that we'll sign him (are we even interested) but if we were I'm sure we'd be a decent option for him,he might well be the kind of player that could push us up towards the European places. It'd be suicide if Villa sold him now. Looks like there'll be a mass exodus in the summer, especially if they go down. Yeah our best chance (still 12/1 at best) is in the summer if Villa stay up
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 18, 2015 14:46:55 GMT
Where are all these "big clubs" lining up to sign him? I'm not saying that we'll sign him (are we even interested) but if we were I'm sure we'd be a decent option for him,he might well be the kind of player that could push us up towards the European places. It'd be suicide if Villa sold him now. Looks like there'll be a mass exodus in the summer, especially if they go down. Maybe but Learner doesn't seem to care also did i hear that Delph is out of contract in the summer? Could be 2 quality players out the door and then players like Agbonlahor and that center back might just want to follow them.
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