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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 10:47:20 GMT
When Wollscheid is asked to defend, in the face of pressure, he wilts.
His complete lack of pace means he'll always struggle in the Premier League. In time, teams will just target him. If Blackburn were capable of it, Premier League strikers will have him on toast. His distribution isn't that great from what I've seen either, and that's his best attribute.
He's not physical enough; he's not fast enough; his distribution is on par with Ryan's and positionally he gets lost.
If people are hoping that his shortcomings will all be rectified by a good pre-season and more Prem experience - don't hold your breath.
If we do sign this guy, guaranteed in 12 months time, he'll be getting vilified.
Ryan, Huth, Wilson, and Muniesa are all better than him - he should be 5th choice CB which kind of answers the question; 'should we sign him??'
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 30, 2015 10:48:21 GMT
The only time Huth played under Hughes was in the cup and he was shocking by far worse than any of the performances Wolly has done recently. There hasn't been a worse performance than Wooly's on Saturday in the Premier League era. Apparently he was better than Ryan I read on Twitter!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 10:51:38 GMT
The only time Huth played under Hughes was in the cup and he was shocking by far worse than any of the performances Wolly has done recently. There hasn't been a worse performance than Wooly's on Saturday in the Premier League era. Got to agree with that. It was THAT bad.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 30, 2015 10:53:03 GMT
It was that bad and against an absolutely woeful outfit!!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 30, 2015 10:54:35 GMT
It was that bad and against an absolutely woeful outfit!! Anyone who can make Wickham and Graham look like fucking world beaters is having a pretty shitty day!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 12:43:44 GMT
To be fair, his first mistake (swing and miss leading to Defoe chance) only came about after Ryan made an equally poor mistake when we were comfortable in their half with possession of the ball.
In the build up to their goal Wolly actually made a good initial interception too. Pieters then gets done by their winger before Bego presented his all to customary gift to the opposition.
Still, Wolly made more mistakes than everyone else. All those slating Wilson will probably welcome him back with open arms now.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 30, 2015 13:47:36 GMT
I think he is under a bit of pressure to earn himself a permanent move. But last weekend he failed the exam magnificently.
If he is playing this weekend I reckon Shawcross will not be particularly pleased. I get the feeling he doesnt trust Wolly as his partner much at all.
With Huthy it was always high-fives and backslapping. The same to a lesser degree with Wilson & Muniesa.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 30, 2015 15:02:17 GMT
Do you know for certain that Huth is not wanted? If not then we can certainly do better than Wolly, who I hope is certainly NOT NOW in Hughes plans! Think it's unfair to compare Huth to Wolly, both played under 2 different managers with 2 different set ups. The only time Huth played under Hughes was in the cup and he was shocking by far worse than any of the performances Wolly has done recently. Fans say Wolly is slow on the turn, he is I agree but so is Huth, but that was never found out due to Pulis system of having 2 deep lying banks of 4. All defending was infron of the defence and that part of the game Wolly is excellent at just as Huth is. I see Hughes agreeing the deal for Wolly but also looking at a different kind of defender too. The club needs to move on and improve the whole squad each year as the older players come to the end of there season. It was the same as Diouf when he came he had the same he ain't no Fuller is he, look at fuller now, relegated with Millwall but some stoke fans still would have him over Diouf, a player who has out scored fuller in the premier league in a single season while playing most of the time on the wing. We need to stop comparing players from previous seasons with the ones this season as circumstances changes and know one can say whether the older players would of done better or worse If Wolly is picked this week I will be shocked and if he earns a permanent transfer I will be outraged!
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 30, 2015 15:18:07 GMT
The only time Huth played under Hughes was in the cup and he was shocking by far worse than any of the performances Wolly has done recently. There hasn't been a worse performance than Wooly's on Saturday in the Premier League era. It was shit- very, very shit. But then there was this...
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 30, 2015 15:31:38 GMT
I don't agree with all the negativity when it comes to Wollscheid! I don't think he is positionally weak and his distribution is normally very good. His pace is my main concern and he didn't have a good day last Saturday. If we talk about competition I think Wilson deserves the chance again, he certaily would be my choice for the Swansea game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 19:44:55 GMT
There hasn't been a worse performance than Wooly's on Saturday in the Premier League era. It was shit- very, very shit. But then there was this... That's it!!! He's the "White Sonko"
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Post by theonlywayisstoke on Apr 30, 2015 19:49:41 GMT
Unfortunately I think neither
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 21:50:41 GMT
There hasn't been a worse performance than Wooly's on Saturday in the Premier League era. It was shit- very, very shit. But then there was this... Sonko never had a game as all-round bad as Wollscheid last Saturday
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Post by Trouserdog on May 1, 2015 6:02:24 GMT
It was shit- very, very shit. But then there was this... Sonko never had a game as all-round bad as Wollscheid last Saturday Blackburn away when we lost 0-3?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 7:24:46 GMT
Sonko never had a game as all-round bad as Wollscheid last Saturday Blackburn away when we lost 0-3? That runs it close, but if Sunderland had scored their three on-a-plate chances that Philip presented them with....well, he'd be challenging Moses in the assists table ???? My mind's probably blanked out just HOW bad Sonko away at Blackburn was. Wollscheid's is still raw.
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2015 7:35:22 GMT
Wollsheid was even worse than Sonko however Sonko's foul for the penalty at Blackburn is the stupidist given away penalty by a Stoke player I have seen & I've been watching since 1978.
For some reason,given we are discussing appaling defenders,I feel compelled to bring Paul Dyson into the discussion...
To be fair Wollscheid's positioning is fine & he can pick out a pass & indeed he has had some games where he has looked good. However,as discussed, he has had too many utter stinkers now to write them off as bad days at the office. He keeps demonstrating that he cannot handle even the mildest of physical challenges at all. Sorry,it was worth a try but he isn't cut out for defending in the Premier League. Send him back please. If Huth is past it (& I think that judgement is highly debatable) or Hughes wants someone who can pass better than Huth then we need to sign a different CB in the summer.
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Post by trigger on May 1, 2015 8:11:16 GMT
With regards to the penalty it couldn't have been worse than Pennants against Everton, surely?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 1, 2015 9:49:45 GMT
There hasn't been a worse performance than Wooly's on Saturday in the Premier League era. It was shit- very, very shit. But then there was this... We can call it a draw then TD! Sonko never came back from that game and I can't really see Wollscheid doing so. For the foreseeable future, there will be a palpable air of terror around the ground any time the ball goes near him. He's a better player than good old Ibrahima but like that day at Blackburn for Sonko, he's going to find it virtually impossible to come back from. It was that bad.
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Post by wuzza on May 1, 2015 9:54:57 GMT
Muni put in some of the most seriously dreadful defending performances I have ever seen when he first came into the side ...... but he has progressed to being a good squad defender - what's different about Wolly who has actually had some really good displays considering it such early days?
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 1, 2015 10:15:00 GMT
Team selection tomorrow will tell us a lot about Wolly's future.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 1, 2015 10:20:28 GMT
Team selection tomorrow will tell us a lot about Wolly's future. Yeah if Hughes picks him, we're buying him.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 1, 2015 10:27:23 GMT
Team selection tomorrow will tell us a lot about Wolly's future. Yeah if Hughes picks him, we're buying him. Yep, that's my take on it as well.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 1, 2015 10:34:12 GMT
Yeah if Hughes picks him, we're buying him. Yep, that's my take on it as well. But….is Muni/available/fit? And what about Wilson? If neither are ready we don't have an option do we?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 1, 2015 10:37:51 GMT
Yep, that's my take on it as well. But….is Muni/available/fit? And what about Wilson? If neither are ready we don't have an option do we? I think Wilo is fit, mate. After last week if he doesn't use him it's not saying much about Hughes's thoughts on him!
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 1, 2015 10:55:46 GMT
To be honest, I thought Wilson had been having a reasonable run of form alongside Ryan and played well alongside Wolly too. I'd be happy with him back tomorrow.
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Post by MooG on May 1, 2015 11:31:37 GMT
Got to say I take the opposite view to Sheik and Jamo - If he *doesn't* play tomorrow we've given up on him.
I expect that he'll play the rest of our games though, as I think Hughes has taken the view that 8th would be nice to have but is much less important than setting up for next season - and he'll want to see as much of Wollsheid as he can before making the decision.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 1, 2015 11:36:46 GMT
Got to say I take the opposite view to Sheik and Jamo - If he *doesn't* play tomorrow we've given up on him. I expect that he'll play the rest of our games though, as I think Hughes has taken the view that 8th would be nice to have but is much less important than setting up for next season - and he'll want to see as much of Wollsheid as he can before making the decision. Maybe but I'm pretty certain that Hughes is desperate for 8th spot and will go with what he thinks is his strongest team. If Wolly is in it I expect him to sign.
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Post by nott1 on May 1, 2015 11:39:47 GMT
Got to say I take the opposite view to Sheik and Jamo - If he *doesn't* play tomorrow we've given up on him. I expect that he'll play the rest of our games though, as I think Hughes has taken the view that 8th would be nice to have but is much less important than setting up for next season - and he'll want to see as much of Wollsheid as he can before making the decision. Hughes sees a lot more of Wolly than I do, and I've seen enough to tell me he isn't good enough and never will be.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 1, 2015 11:45:55 GMT
I suppose we're all guessing to a degree if his inclusion or not has some greater significance but the best decision against a team dripping in power pace would be to take him out of the firing line tomorrow.
Best for Wollscheid's fragile confidence, best for our chances of getting something and best for my blood pressure.
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Post by thestatusquo on May 1, 2015 11:54:00 GMT
He made no mistakes at Leicester but if he makes one then he seems to go to pieces. I think he's smuggling with the pressure.
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