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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 26, 2015 10:54:21 GMT
The way we play now is we build from the back. Shawcross has clearly demonstrated he can adapt to our new way of playing but Huth just doesn't have the skill and composure on the ball to do that. So unless Hughes changes our style of play to accommodate Huth he is not going to get back into the team. Wolschied shouldn't be in either then because he's crap with the ball and even worse without it. There is nothing wolschied can or does do that huth can't.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Apr 26, 2015 11:00:30 GMT
I have friends who live in Leicester. Robert Huth has transformed their team in the way Taggart did for us a few years ago. They can't believe he isn't a regular for Germany. They can only think we had real doubts about his fitness to let him go out on loan as he must be our best player!! He is certainly their best player. The Taggart analogy is a good one. We were desperate when Taggart arrived and Leicester were desperate when Huth arrived. Huth is just what Leicester need, but that doesn't mean he is what we need right now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 11:02:03 GMT
I have friends who live in Leicester. Robert Huth has transformed their team in the way Taggart did for us a few years ago. They can't believe he isn't a regular for Germany. They can only think we had real doubts about his fitness to let him go out on loan as he must be our best player!! He is certainly their best player. The Taggart analogy is a good one. We were desperate when Taggart arrived and Leicester were desperate when Huth arrived. Huth is just what Leicester need, but that doesn't mean he is what we need right now. I'd start Muni over him but Huth as back up is far preferential to Wollscheid.
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Post by robboleek on Apr 26, 2015 11:18:42 GMT
The ten minute meltdown wolly had yesterday was something to behold !!! He was literally all over the place, complaining to the linesman for fucking up was childish.
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Post by march4 on Apr 26, 2015 11:28:55 GMT
The Taggart analogy is a good one. We were desperate when Taggart arrived and Leicester were desperate when Huth arrived. Huth is just what Leicester need, but that doesn't mean he is what we need right now. I'd start Muni over him but Huth as back up is far preferential to Wollscheid. Some games would suit Huthy more and others would suit Muni. But a 3 man centre back option of Ryan, Huth and Muni looks good to me with Wilson as back up across the back 4. I would expect Geoff and Tex to leave this summer to be replaced by 2 newcomers to freshen things up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 11:33:46 GMT
I'd start Muni over him but Huth as back up is far preferential to Wollscheid. Some games would suit Huthy more and others would suit Muni. But a 3 man centre back option of Ryan, Huth and Muni looks good to me with Wilson as back up across the back 4. I would expect Geoff and Tex to leave this summer to be replaced by 2 newcomers to freshen things up. I watched Tex the other day for the U-21's. He was generally ok tbh but then was at fault for the goal and didn't stand out on a pitch that had a few 17 year olds playing. And why hasn't he gone out on loan? Has nobody wanted him?
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 26, 2015 11:35:47 GMT
Muniesa needs to play asap. He's better than anyone else we have.
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Post by march4 on Apr 26, 2015 11:40:00 GMT
Muniesa needs to play asap. He's better than anyone else we have. He is one of my favourites too. However, he does suffer from injuries regularly and he still has a rawness about him that causes him to be drawn into midfield leaving the centre of defence exposed. The latter is easily sorted but the former could become an issue for the lad.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 26, 2015 11:52:08 GMT
Watched the extended highlights again and there is just no way we can proceed with the Wollscheid signing. He was actually a lot worse than I remember. There were 8 unforced errors, 3 of which were catastrophic, he was also desperately slow to react to Begovic's spill for their goal. He is awkward on and off the ball and completely free of any pace.
Yesterday was right up there with the legendary efforts of Sonko, John Clarke and Paul Williams. He is nowhere near good enough for a top half Premier League team and never will be.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 26, 2015 11:52:37 GMT
Muniesa needs to play asap. He's better than anyone else we have. He is one of my favourites too. However, he does suffer from injuries regularly and he still has a rawness about him that causes him to be drawn into midfield leaving the centre of defence exposed. The latter is easily sorted but the former could become an issue for the lad. He's got a bit to learn I agree, it comes with time, I think him playing alongside Shawcross is the best option, he's such a good sweeper. The injury side is a little concerning, it always seems to be his hamstring as well.
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Post by march4 on Apr 26, 2015 11:57:06 GMT
He is one of my favourites too. However, he does suffer from injuries regularly and he still has a rawness about him that causes him to be drawn into midfield leaving the centre of defence exposed. The latter is easily sorted but the former could become an issue for the lad. He's got a bit to learn I agree, it comes with time, I think him playing alongside Shawcross is the best option, he's such a good sweeper. The injury side is a little concerning, it always seems to be his hamstring as well. Let's hope he still growing and overcomes them next season.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 26, 2015 11:58:15 GMT
Pretty funny when in Wolly's meltdown period second half he went to the edge of the box for a short goal kick from Bego and the entire stadium are shouting "NOOOO"
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Post by nott1 on Apr 26, 2015 12:04:24 GMT
Huth was in the D.Mirror team of the week, Wolly should have been sent back to Germany on the next plane![/u]
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 26, 2015 12:40:01 GMT
Wollscheid prances around like a modern day bambi, and is very poor, that performance from him today was probably the worst by a stoke centre half in the history of football You didn't see Paul Williams then. I think Ben Petty played CB a few times too.
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 26, 2015 13:51:23 GMT
At the end of the season Huth returns to being a SCFC player and old Wooly, well, some lower league Bundesliga outfit you'd imagine. And I'd imagine that maybe how it will stay. I totally get the point with respect to Taggart however.
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Post by rednwhite43 on Apr 26, 2015 13:53:00 GMT
Its pretty obvious huth is far better
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 26, 2015 15:05:09 GMT
It may be unfair to change your mind on the basis of one match, but the worm turned for me yesterday. I have wholeheartedly supported Wolly since his arrival and been patient with his errors seeing a lot of potential if he can adapt to Prem football. Yesterday though was one of the worst performances I've seen for a long time and he totally "lost it" for me as he did himself at one point. Sorry Wolly I've changed camps and joined the "don't buy" ranks.
Meanwhile Robert Huth is being mentioned in dispatches and Leicester have turned around since his arrival. Huthy never ever played a game as bad as Wolly did yesterday, and I think the Stoke management should think again and keep Huth until someone better comes along. Huth has the extra string to his bow in his ability at set pieces, a part of Stoke's game that has gone from one of the best teams in the Prem to one of the worst. I'm not a gambling man but I would have put money on Huthy burying the ball in the net if he had had the chance Ryan had yesterday.
Robert Huth gets my vote now and I shall be upset if he is passed over. I trust the Stoke management to realise they may have made a mistake in letting him go to Leicester and they bring him back into the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 16:02:29 GMT
Pretty funny when in Wolly's meltdown period second half he went to the edge of the box for a short goal kick from Bego and the entire stadium are shouting "NOOOO" I'm massively in the "support a player when he's down" camp but that was hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing at a bloke a few seats away who literally had his head in his hands and looked like he was on the edge of a breakdown.
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Post by stokiesteve on Apr 26, 2015 16:04:57 GMT
Huth is a strong defender but I am not sure how he fits in anymore. Ryan has managed to adapt his game a little but Ryan and Huth together won't fit into Hughes game plan in my opinion. Munisia as has been said before has the skill but sometimes his defending is suspect. Sometimes I'm glad I'm not a football manager.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 26, 2015 16:07:23 GMT
It may be unfair to change your mind on the basis of one match, but the worm turned for me yesterday. I have wholeheartedly supported Wolly since his arrival and been patient with his errors seeing a lot of potential if he can adapt to Prem football. Yesterday though was one of the worst performances I've seen for a long time and he totally "lost it" for me as he did himself at one point. Sorry Wolly I've changed camps and joined the "don't buy" ranks. Meanwhile Robert Huth is being mentioned in dispatches and Leicester have turned around since his arrival. Huthy never ever played a game as bad as Wolly did yesterday, and I think the Stoke management should think again and keep Huth until someone better comes along. Huth has the extra string to his bow in his ability at set pieces, a part of Stoke's game that has gone from one of the best teams in the Prem to one of the worst. I'm not a gambling man but I would have put money on Huthy burying the ball in the net if he had had the chance Ryan had yesterday. Robert Huth gets my vote now and I shall be upset if he is passed over. I trust the Stoke management to realise they may have made a mistake in letting him go to Leicester and they bring him back into the squad. very well summed up Mr Coke. The jury was out for Wolly and he does have some positive points, but that display yesterday plus Huth doing the business down the road for Leicester is pretty telling for me. But apparently Wolly in and Huth out is already a done deal or so some people on here have mentioned
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 26, 2015 16:08:03 GMT
Huth is a strong defender but I am not sure how he fits in anymore. Ryan has managed to adapt his game a little but Ryan and Huth together won't fit into Hughes game plan in my opinion. Munisia as has been said before has the skill but sometimes his defending is suspect. Sometimes I'm glad I'm not a football manager. What game plan? A defender defends full stop. Huth there it is.
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Post by stokiesteve on Apr 26, 2015 16:16:32 GMT
Huth is a strong defender but I am not sure how he fits in anymore. Ryan has managed to adapt his game a little but Ryan and Huth together won't fit into Hughes game plan in my opinion. Munisia as has been said before has the skill but sometimes his defending is suspect. Sometimes I'm glad I'm not a football manager. What game plan? A defender defends full stop. Huth there it is. Er, building from the back?
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Apr 26, 2015 16:29:19 GMT
Sonkoesque was mentioned on another thread, and sums him up v Sunderland. He was absolutely woeful, I cannot believe that MOTD didn't pick 0n the fact that virtually all Sunderland's chances came from his mistakes (apart from Bego's mistake). I appreciate that v Blackburn he was in good company for the worst player of the match but he stood out in that game too and for all the wrong reasons. We are desperate for a commanding ball winner to paly alongside Ryan who absolutely bailed him out with a cracking tackle in the second half. The amount of goals we've conceded from a high ball into the box beggars belief. Work needs to be done on the defence. It will be interesting to see in Huth comes back. But I am not convinced Wooly is the answer. He needs to watch some videos of himself from the game and then apologise to the lino as it was the former and not the latter who was at fault when he gave the ball away (again) to Whickham. It may dent his confidence but I don't want to see him playing at Swansea next week. Beardsley was dropped for his howler awat the Hawthorns so why not the on loan centre half.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Apr 26, 2015 17:47:49 GMT
Huth. no contest!
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 26, 2015 17:52:53 GMT
Not even close in my opinion. Sorry Wooly, don't complain to the liner when you screw up, that was pathetic. Honestly don't think Wollscheid or Huth are the choice for next season. Can't see Hughes bringing Huth back and can't see Wollscheid staying (unless a deal with his agent has already been agreed).
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Post by buddha74 on Apr 26, 2015 18:52:26 GMT
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Post by potterglen on Apr 26, 2015 19:10:18 GMT
Not even close in my opinion. Sorry Wooly, don't complain to the liner when you screw up, that was pathetic. Oh for gods sake, he's been playing in the Premier League for 3 months and our supporters with short memories are on his case. FFS give it a bloody rest, moan, moan sodding moan. You don't become a poor player overnight,he was MOTM no too long ago!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 19:12:07 GMT
Didn't see the game but Wollschied had an absolute shocker from the MOTD highlights, he has been pretty good for us overall though since he joined and assuming he's not going to cost that much I think we should sign him in the summer.
Love Huth but sadly I think his time at SCFC is over.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 19:13:58 GMT
Not even close in my opinion. Sorry Wooly, don't complain to the liner when you screw up, that was pathetic. Oh for gods sake, he's been playing in the Premier League for 3 months and our supporters with short memories are on his case. FFS give it a bloody rest, moan, moan sodding moan. You don't become a poor player overnight,he was MOTM no too long ago! I reckon he's had more dodgy games than he's had really good ones, Glen. I like defenders who love defending and he doesn't strike me as that type of player. His attitude after his second "losing the plot" scenario in his short spell here is also a concern.
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Post by adamsson on Apr 26, 2015 19:14:04 GMT
I feel sorry for Wollscheid, he has come in and had to replace a player who has been a fans favourite for a long time. Huth has been a rock in our defence for a long time and he hasn't actually left yet, so anyone coming in has a hard act to follow.
Wollscheid has another problem he is not as good as Huth was. But the question we should be asking is "Is he as good as Huth is now?" and next year who will be the better player?
Huth has been a great player but maybe we should accept that he is not suited to the way we try to play now and age and injuries have caught up with him.
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