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Post by potterglen on Apr 26, 2015 19:33:14 GMT
Oh for gods sake, he's been playing in the Premier League for 3 months and our supporters with short memories are on his case. FFS give it a bloody rest, moan, moan sodding moan. You don't become a poor player overnight,he was MOTM no too long ago! I reckon he's had more dodgy games than he's had really good ones, Glen. I like defenders who love defending and he doesn't strike me as that type of player. His attitude after his second "losing the plot" scenario in his short spell here is also a concern. I didn't mind his on field rant Jamo(don't condone it either), however I do think we should dig a little deeper - like our movement. He got stick after the Blackburn game and in actual fact the poor sod was hung out to dry by the rest of the team, yesterday was similar with little or no outlet and Sunderland pounced on it. We also have to remember that MH wants his defenders to build from the back and this has its own problems - see Villa game yesterday. I'm not suggesting he's the complete package yet but he's a better ball player and reader of the game than Huth could ever be. I think he does enjoy defending but differently than Huth or Bardsley who's idea of defending is taking a player out. You don't become a crap player after one game - give the man a break and give him time to develop.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:36:55 GMT
I reckon he's had more dodgy games than he's had really good ones, Glen. I like defenders who love defending and he doesn't strike me as that type of player. His attitude after his second "losing the plot" scenario in his short spell here is also a concern. I didn't mind his on field rant Jamo(don't condone it either), however I do think we should dig a little deeper - like our movement. He got stick after the Blackburn game and in actual fact the poor sod was hung out to dry by the rest of the team, yesterday was similar with little or no outlet and Sunderland pounced on it. We also have to remember that MH wants his defenders to build from the back and this has its own problems - see Villa game yesterday. I'm not suggesting he's the complete package yet but he's a better ball player and reader of the game than Huth could ever be. I think he does enjoy defending but differently than Huth or Bardsley who's idea of defending is taking a player out. You don't become a crap player after one game - give the man a break and give him time to develop. If you have no outlet you boot it. He shat himself and was like a rabbit in the headlights, it was braindeaded defending and not something you'd expect from someone who is allegedly comfortable on the ball....
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Post by potterglen on Apr 26, 2015 19:44:59 GMT
I didn't mind his on field rant Jamo(don't condone it either), however I do think we should dig a little deeper - like our movement. He got stick after the Blackburn game and in actual fact the poor sod was hung out to dry by the rest of the team, yesterday was similar with little or no outlet and Sunderland pounced on it. We also have to remember that MH wants his defenders to build from the back and this has its own problems - see Villa game yesterday. I'm not suggesting he's the complete package yet but he's a better ball player and reader of the game than Huth could ever be. I think he does enjoy defending but differently than Huth or Bardsley who's idea of defending is taking a player out. You don't become a crap player after one game - give the man a break and give him time to develop. If you have no outlet you boot it. He shat himself and was like a rabbit in the headlights, it was braindeaded defending and not something you'd expect from someone who is allegedly comfortable on the ball.... Huth didn't do that now did he? Utter rubbish as usual, perhaps you could do better. I suppose Shawcross was without fault yesterday - he's REALLY comfortable with the ball at his feet. Lets get Pulis, Delap and Fuller back while we're at it, we can all be bored to distraction again.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 19:46:34 GMT
I reckon he's had more dodgy games than he's had really good ones, Glen. I like defenders who love defending and he doesn't strike me as that type of player. His attitude after his second "losing the plot" scenario in his short spell here is also a concern. I didn't mind his on field rant Jamo(don't condone it either), however I do think we should dig a little deeper - like our movement. He got stick after the Blackburn game and in actual fact the poor sod was hung out to dry by the rest of the team, yesterday was similar with little or no outlet and Sunderland pounced on it. We also have to remember that MH wants his defenders to build from the back and this has its own problems - see Villa game yesterday. I'm not suggesting he's the complete package yet but he's a better ball player and reader of the game than Huth could ever be. I think he does enjoy defending but differently than Huth or Bardsley who's idea of defending is taking a player out. You don't become a crap player after one game - give the man a break and give him time to develop. It's not one game though for me. It's been as many as he's had decent ones and in his good games he's not reached the heights we are used to with other centre backs we've had. He's a bit of a wet in the challenge and his lack of pace is frightening. Blackburn was on him for me because he didn't know how to sort it. He was the senior pro and he should have dropped onto their big lad when it was clear the quick un was tearing him to bits. That said I think their big lad would have beasted him too as he's not great in the air either when someone wants to battle it out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:47:12 GMT
If you have no outlet you boot it. He shat himself and was like a rabbit in the headlights, it was braindeaded defending and not something you'd expect from someone who is allegedly comfortable on the ball.... Huth didn't do that now did he? Utter rubbish as usual, perhaps you could do better. I suppose Shawcross was without fault yesterday - he's REALLY comfortable with the ball at his feet. Lets get Pulis, Delap and Fuller back while we're at it, we can all be bored to distraction again. Get caught on the ball? Not that I can remember no. Shawcross is better with the ball at his feet than our centre backs bar Muni. And that last comment is just hilarious!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2015 19:47:29 GMT
Will the last person to leave Team Wolly please turn out the lights?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 19:48:46 GMT
I rate the bloke Grapey.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 19:49:35 GMT
Which means he's bollocks.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 19:49:39 GMT
No shock there. He's got a bit of the Danny Collins about him but without the strawberry Barnet!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 19:50:54 GMT
Much love chaps
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Post by borat on Apr 26, 2015 19:57:17 GMT
What a surprise a player has one bad game and he's not good enough. Just typical of the oatcake. I'd prefer Huth BUT Wolly is still a very good defender (yesterday aside).
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Post by mattythestokie on Apr 26, 2015 19:59:44 GMT
If you have no outlet you boot it. He shat himself and was like a rabbit in the headlights, it was braindeaded defending and not something you'd expect from someone who is allegedly comfortable on the ball.... Huth didn't do that now did he? Utter rubbish as usual, perhaps you could do better. I suppose Shawcross was without fault yesterday - he's REALLY comfortable with the ball at his feet. Lets get Pulis, Delap and Fuller back while we're at it, we can all be bored to distraction again. Fuller was boring?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 20:01:34 GMT
What a surprise a player has one bad game and he's not good enough. Just typical of the oatcake. I'd prefer Huth BUT Wolly is still a very good defender (yesterday aside). I made a thread about 3 weeks ago about whether people wanted to sign him or not.....it was about 50/50. So no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:05:45 GMT
I don't think we'll ever find another Abdy Faye to play alongside Shawcross. He was simply immense.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 20:07:29 GMT
What a surprise a player has one bad game and he's not good enough. Just typical of the oatcake. I'd prefer Huth BUT Wolly is still a very good defender (yesterday aside). It's not one bad game though is it? It's the culmination of some very dodgy and worrying aspects to his game. He's a bit suspect defensively, has milk float-like pace and has a questionable temperament looking at Blackburn and yesterday. People are worried and it's fair enough I reckon. It's not without some substance is it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 20:07:52 GMT
I don't think we'll ever find another Abdy Faye to play alongside Shawcross. He was simply immense. Huth>Faye pretty easily.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:09:44 GMT
I don't think we'll ever find another Abdy Faye to play alongside Shawcross. He was simply immense. Huth>Faye pretty easily. For longevity, yes. Abdy was absolutely outstanding that first season in the Prem though. Our best player by a country mile.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 20:12:27 GMT
Huth>Faye pretty easily. For longevity, yes. Abdy was absolutely outstanding that first season in the Prem though. Our best player by a country mile. This is what I don't get about people getting giddy over Wolly given the performances we've witnessed from other centre backs since promotion. He's not got remotely close to hitting the heights of Ryan, Huth or Abdy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2015 20:12:44 GMT
Huth>Faye pretty easily. For longevity, yes. Abdy was absolutely outstanding that first season in the Prem though. Our best player by a country mile. He was but then in the second season was pretty poor, definitely a one season wonder but what a season. Huth and Shawcross is the defensive partnership of our best XI in the Premier League thus far.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:15:34 GMT
For longevity, yes. Abdy was absolutely outstanding that first season in the Prem though. Our best player by a country mile. This is what I don't get about people getting giddy over Wolly given the performances we've witnessed from other centre backs since promotion. He's not got remotely close to hitting the heights of Ryan, Huth or Abdy. I'm not getting giddy over him. I just think he's a good centre half.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 26, 2015 20:16:47 GMT
This is what I don't get about people getting giddy over Wolly given the performances we've witnessed from other centre backs since promotion. He's not got remotely close to hitting the heights of Ryan, Huth or Abdy. I'm not getting giddy over him. I just think he's a good centre half. Not you mate but I've been told he's going to be better than Ryan and he's way better than Huth. I just don't see it.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 26, 2015 20:27:33 GMT
I think Woolie needs more time , he has had some great games as well as a few poor ones , he does use the ball better for sure but Shawcross and Huth were a solid combination and for me we have enough creativity now to have centre halves who can defend well and Huth is as good as most at doing that . I hope he is back next season for a centre half he is not old , when you see terry playing as he is
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Post by chumley on Apr 26, 2015 20:36:48 GMT
Kevin Philips goes in same pub as i do and i intend to ask him whats happening re Huth and will post as soon as i find out.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 27, 2015 0:58:44 GMT
Kevin Philips goes in same pub as i do and i intend to ask him whats happening re Huth and will post as soon as i find out. Please do, he is the missing link at the back IMO. I know it may seem sentimental but he is better than anyone who has tried to fill his position since he's left his home in our back four. I simply cannot see what Wolly brings to the table that Huth cannot do in spades. Rather give Huth time and games to get adjusted to Hughes system than some reject from Wolfsburg. Baffling scenario we could even debate this.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 27, 2015 7:18:07 GMT
Kevin Philips goes in same pub as i do and i intend to ask him whats happening re Huth and will post as soon as i find out. Please do, he is the missing link at the back IMO. I know it may seem sentimental but he is better than anyone who has tried to fill his position since he's left his home in our back four. I simply cannot see what Wolly brings to the table that Huth cannot do in spades. Rather give Huth time and games to get adjusted to Hughes system than some reject from Wolfsburg. Baffling scenario we could even debate this. The loss of Huth has affected Ryans game in my opinion, they are were awesome as a pairing splitting them up when Huth is quite obviously fit is madness, Wooly is not half the defender Huth is, I suspect that a deal is already in place to sign him at the end of the season which will be a big mistake when we have better already.
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Post by mosquito on Apr 27, 2015 7:36:31 GMT
No brainer - Huth
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 27, 2015 7:56:25 GMT
I still think there's a good player in there somewhere.
The thing with Woll is that he is consistently inconsistent. One week he'll really look the part and the next he'll drop a series of bollocks. I imagine it's probably the usual combination of a new league, a new country, a new group of teammates and if he were to be given enough time, he'd eventually come good. Given the choice between him and Huth though, I'd have neither to be honest. I'm over the moon for Huth to be back fully fit and playing regular football (and really well it seems, although I take anything that a Leicester City fan has to say with a fuck tonne of salt).
It has to be Muniesa playing alongside Ryan next season. I know he's adored on here by many but I still think he's underrated by many of our fans and people quickly forget that he's only 23 years old.
Given the choice between Huth and Woll then I'd suggest looking at it from this point of view; if we were to sell Huth (who bare in mind, will be 31 by the start of next season and has a bit of a history with injuries) to presumably Leicester for a few million, and we use that money to bring in Woll (who I still think will come good if given the opportunity) then it makes sense.
It's a tricky one for Hughes, but as long as Muniesa is the starting CB alongside Ryan, then I'm not really that arsed to be honest.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 27, 2015 8:13:37 GMT
This bloke was thrown in at the deepend and has been nearly ever present since. In my opinion he is having to adjust the hard way. It isn't my money but I qould sign him, he has settled quicker than Tex, a pre-season under his belt will see a vast improvement. He has all the potential attributes (positioning makes up for speed) to become a great asset. He is still young for a defender.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 27, 2015 8:19:59 GMT
I really want to like Wollscheid. He has the look of a very good player and has, at times, been outstanding. But in terms of ability to defend (which is after all what a defender is selected primarily to do) Huth wins on virtually every level in my opinion.
In the air - Huth. In the tackle - Huth. In close physical contact -Huth. In organisation and leadership - Huth.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Apr 27, 2015 8:46:18 GMT
Wolly has got a clanger in him for every game, luckily s'land couldnt capitalise on a few, we can't afford that to happen in this league.
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