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Post by bmstoke on Apr 8, 2015 19:16:14 GMT
Gets cut so much more slack than anyone else?
There's normally a thread on here slagging him off after every game, whether he's played well,badly or not at all.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 8, 2015 19:17:59 GMT
He plays regularly for Austria and he's scored 8 in 41 for them. So that suggests he is not crap. means FA
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 8, 2015 19:19:28 GMT
Nowt do with that is it,I used be a winger and the idea is get to the by line and put in a decent cross,how many time does he do that eh????he gets the the ball and does a bit of dancing then pulls his face when it comes to nowt,we need better smile or no smile To be fair he's been putting in some great crosses recently but we've been unable to get on the end of them. I think what people like about him is his potential rather than his current form. I'm not convinced he'll develop into the player we'd like him to be but at times he does things so easily that most find impossible. He's definitely an enigma.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 19:24:39 GMT
He plays regularly for Austria and he's scored 8 in 41 for them. So that suggests he is not crap. means FA What it really means is that Austria have either got better players or play a system more suited to him. Either that or he's the Austrian David Healy.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 8, 2015 19:30:10 GMT
What it really means is that Austria have either got better players or play a system more suited to him. Either that or he's the Austrian David Healy. what it means is that nowadays in qualifier groups you get to play some really crap teams like Andorra, Liechtenstein etc against whom it would be almost criminal not to grab a goal. In fact his last goal for Austria was the last goal in a 5-0 drubbing of minnows Liechtenstein
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Post by chad on Apr 8, 2015 19:39:53 GMT
After watching Arnie for over the best part of two seasons ,i fail to see anything resembling a top footballer there. The lad had a purple patch last season of around 8 matches on the back of the whole team playing well. Before this he was bordering on dire.He again carried this form on this season. No goals ,no shots,no assists just gets applauded for chasing back when hes usually caught wrong side. I really dont get it at all with him ,for me he would be out the door.How a player of such ordinaryness can be adored by some amazes me. one hundred per cent in agreement Another 100 % agree
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 19:58:20 GMT
What it really means is that Austria have either got better players or play a system more suited to him. Either that or he's the Austrian David Healy. what it means is that nowadays in qualifier groups you get to play some really crap teams like Andorra, Liechtenstein etc against whom it would be almost criminal not to grab a goal. In fact his last goal for Austria was the last goal in a 5-0 drubbing of minnows Liechtenstein Is there a reason that England players 'worth' 100k+ a week struggle against these sides?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:01:18 GMT
His wayward shooting can be gauged by the number of dead pigeons and seagulls littered around Clayton woods .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 8, 2015 20:50:59 GMT
History will show him to be better value than
Palacios , sonko, ness , tongue, after that in the current generation it's quite hard to our ahead of say jones , jerome , whitehead , who all contributed much more in terms of goals effort etc .
Tends to indicate he is a sort of talented Danny Collins
goodbye and thanks Moriniho was right talented but too mixed up to make anything of it
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 8, 2015 21:04:35 GMT
I personally watch football to see players do things the likes of us mere mortals cannot. Arnie fits into that category, not in an Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff way, nor even in a Mark Chamberlain, Peter Hoekstra, Ricardo Fuller way, but he can do it. This is why I like him. Yes, he frustrates the hell out of me, as you can see he does himself, when things don't come off, but when they do........worth the entrance fee on their own.
He is a bit of an enigma, very much a confidence player. He needs a regular run of games as a confidence boost from the manager, to show he believes in him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 22:09:11 GMT
I personally watch football to see players do things the likes of us mere mortals cannot. Arnie fits into that category, not in an Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff way, nor even in a Mark Chamberlain, Peter Hoekstra, Ricardo Fuller way, but he can do it. This is why I like him. Yes, he frustrates the hell out of me, as you can see he does himself, when things don't come off, but when they do........worth the entrance fee on their own. He is a bit of an enigma, very much a confidence player. He needs a regular run of games as a confidence boost from the manager, to show he believes in him. What on earth has Arnie done to deserve being mentioned is this class ? What has he done that makes him worth the price of a pie never mind the entrance fee alone ? I cant think of anything special to rank him in the same stratosphere as any of them.
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Post by scfc2014 on Apr 8, 2015 22:20:23 GMT
I'd put him up there with Peter Hampton and he wasn't worth a cup of tea at half time let alone £1.80 you used pay to get in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 22:43:54 GMT
I personally watch football to see players do things the likes of us mere mortals cannot. Arnie fits into that category, not in an Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff way, nor even in a Mark Chamberlain, Peter Hoekstra, Ricardo Fuller way, but he can do it. This is why I like him. Yes, he frustrates the hell out of me, as you can see he does himself, when things don't come off, but when they do........worth the entrance fee on their own. He is a bit of an enigma, very much a confidence player. He needs a regular run of games as a confidence boost from the manager, to show he believes in him. I can see where you're coming from , but no ....not in a million years . He's not even close to anyone of those you have mentioned. He likes to think he is but sadly ...no. .....and I am unanimous . Mumf
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 8, 2015 22:53:18 GMT
He has great technique and has scored some very good goals in his career. He just needs a goal in the league and then I've no doubt he will then go on and get a few. Hugely exciting player. I'm still hopeful he will come good. He's played ok this season but he's capable of more.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 8, 2015 23:17:09 GMT
Considering he cost £2m he's been a decent signing.
There are some things that grate me with his play though. Firstly he looks to come inside a little bit to often, sometimes he just runs inside with the ball when there's nothin on rather then going to the by-line whipping a cross in or beating his man.
Secondly I've noticed this a couple of times before, and I noticed it again v Palace. We were in possession in our own half, their winger had come inside leaving the fullback exposed. We'd noticed this and spread the out to Pieters who set off on the run. Arnie had the attention of the fullback in the half way line rather then make a run giving Pieters an option or creating room for him to run into, he just stood there Eric had to give him the ball and a good opportunity was wasted.
His pour decision making at times is his biggest weaknesses.
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Post by StokieNath on Apr 8, 2015 23:22:47 GMT
arnie is garbage end of. He rarely makes an impact on the field.
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Post by sutt on Apr 9, 2015 0:08:58 GMT
He is not garbage at all, just lacking in confidence massively, he seems to have lost that arrogance that he had last season which made him play better i.e celebration at villa for fourth goal, we haven't seen this at all this season, he needs a run of games on the right hand side of midfield.
My team for hammers Begovic Cameron Shawcross Wilson Peiters Adam Nzonzi Arnie ireland. Moses Diouf,
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Post by ayem on Apr 9, 2015 0:21:28 GMT
My thing with Arnie is:
I see what he tries to create and it excites me. Crazy crosses, risky passes, wild jukes to beat defenders. It's all fun. But the end product hasn't been there. And after all the fancy, you see him trot back in to position slowly. It's disheartening.
Still one of my favorites for any team. I'll continue to hope his efforts go well.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Apr 9, 2015 1:16:05 GMT
Rabona
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Post by scfc2014 on Apr 9, 2015 4:41:23 GMT
all the tricks and fancy footwork get you know where,theres proof in the pudding
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 9, 2015 5:15:11 GMT
I personally watch football to see players do things the likes of us mere mortals cannot. Arnie fits into that category, not in an Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff way, nor even in a Mark Chamberlain, Peter Hoekstra, Ricardo Fuller way, but he can do it. This is why I like him. Yes, he frustrates the hell out of me, as you can see he does himself, when things don't come off, but when they do........worth the entrance fee on their own. He is a bit of an enigma, very much a confidence player. He needs a regular run of games as a confidence boost from the manager, to show he believes in him. What on earth has Arnie done to deserve being mentioned is this class ? What has he done that makes him worth the price of a pie never mind the entrance fee alone ? I cant think of anything special to rank him in the same stratosphere as any of them. fully in agreement with your comment Franklin. Unless people are so gullible that they are dazzled by the way he struts around the field like he was some football legend which he clearly isn't. Show pony
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 9, 2015 7:06:24 GMT
The really sad thing is that many Stoke supporters who are over critical of Arnie seem to want him to play badly/indifferently so that they can create another Arnie thread to go with the other ten million we've had over the last two seasons. You can guarantee that if Arnie comes off the bench against West Ham for the last 3 minutes on Saturday we'll be treated to a new 4 page thread commenting on: Body language Didn't look interested sulked stupid hair never went past his man celebrated just because he got past his man didn't score celebrated just cos he scored, bout fucking time to didn't celebrate when SJW scored celebrated because he made a pass etc
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Post by kurt on Apr 9, 2015 7:14:26 GMT
The really sad thing is that many Stoke supporters who are over critical of Arnie seem to want him to play badly/indifferently so that they can create another Arnie thread to go with the other ten million we've had over the last two seasons.You can guarantee that if Arnie comes off the bench against West Ham for the last 3 minutes on Saturday we'll be treated to a new 4 page thread commenting on: Body language Didn't look interested sulked stupid hair never went past his man celebrated just because he got past his man didn't score celebrated just cos he scored, bout fucking time to didn't celebrate when SJW scored celebrated because he made a pass etc (thumbsup)They are waiting like hyenas for their meat, to tell us proudly that they were right
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 9, 2015 9:04:21 GMT
We all have our views on whether Arnie is decent or not, but the raking up of his past (wore Champions League boots, got labelled "has the attitude of a child" - when he was 17) and just making things up (always left on a free, 7 yard pass for the goal at Rochdale, doesn't work, doesn't give a shit).
Quite frankly, some people really need to question if they're Stoke fans given the undeserved abuse of a Stoke City player.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 9, 2015 9:44:42 GMT
The really sad thing is that many Stoke supporters who are over critical of Arnie seem to want him to play badly/indifferently so that they can create another Arnie thread to go with the other ten million we've had over the last two seasons.You can guarantee that if Arnie comes off the bench against West Ham for the last 3 minutes on Saturday we'll be treated to a new 4 page thread commenting on: Body language Didn't look interested sulked stupid hair never went past his man celebrated just because he got past his man didn't score celebrated just cos he scored, bout fucking time to didn't celebrate when SJW scored celebrated because he made a pass etc (thumbsup)They are waiting like hyenas for their meat, to tell us proudly that they were right This happens with every player on here mate. People were desperate for Sidibe to fail, Walters to fail, Delap to fail, Wilkinson to fail.... I would be delighted if Arnie proved me wrong and started to perform like Moses or Walters or Puncheon or Bolasie ect ect but he's had nearly a full season and on Saturday was behind Stephen Ireland on the right. I would now argue that some have dug their feet in over him so much that they won't give up on him because they don't want to admit they're wrong. If Walters has performed as poorly as Arnie has this season the Hyenas would have had their fill. Arnie gets more support than say Wilko or Sidibe ever did on here despite the massive role they played on getting us to where we are. I'd take £1.5m for Arnie and I think he'd be happy to move on.
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Post by Paddypotter on Apr 9, 2015 9:47:37 GMT
In the 29 mins Arni played on Saturday. 17 touches, 90.9% pass complete, one tackle won, two crosses.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 9, 2015 9:53:45 GMT
The really sad thing is that many Stoke supporters who are over critical of Arnie seem to want him to play badly/indifferently so that they can create another Arnie thread to go with the other ten million we've had over the last two seasons.You can guarantee that if Arnie comes off the bench against West Ham for the last 3 minutes on Saturday we'll be treated to a new 4 page thread commenting on: Body language Didn't look interested sulked stupid hair never went past his man celebrated just because he got past his man didn't score celebrated just cos he scored, bout fucking time to didn't celebrate when SJW scored celebrated because he made a pass etc (thumbsup)They are waiting like hyenas for their meat, to tell us proudly that they were right Kurt, you're hardly objective on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 9:59:33 GMT
I really like him but time is running out for him to deliver a consistent run of games where he's a 7/10.
I can see exactly what he's trying to deliver but ultimately, he needs to actually deliver it.
I don't buy all of the 'lazy' nonsense. It's just a convenient stick to beat him with.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 9, 2015 10:13:08 GMT
(thumbsup)They are waiting like hyenas for their meat, to tell us proudly that they were right This happens with every player on here mate. People were desperate for Sidibe to fail, Walters to fail, Delap to fail, Wilkinson to fail.... I would be delighted if Arnie proved me wrong and started to perform like Moses or Walters or Puncheon or Bolasie ect ect but he's had nearly a full season and on Saturday was behind Stephen Ireland on the right. I would now argue that some have dug their feet in over him so much that they won't give up on him because they don't want to admit they're wrong. If Walters has performed as poorly as Arnie has this season the Hyenas would have had their fill. Arnie gets more support than say Wilko or Sidibe ever did on here despite the massive role they played on getting us to where we are. I'd take £1.5m for Arnie and I think he'd be happy to move on. I wouldn't make too much of Ireland playing ahead of him on Saturday. Think that was a weird tactical thing rather than anything pointed.
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Post by kurt on Apr 9, 2015 10:22:07 GMT
(thumbsup)They are waiting like hyenas for their meat, to tell us proudly that they were right Kurt, you're hardly objective on the subject. Think it´s an objective addition on the sentence i marked at numpty40, every week the same boring Arni-Thread. It´s sad that this season Arni doesn´t have the success at Stoke we all want, but the reason for it is not, that he can´t!!! ....and the positive counterargument ist currently his good performance in the Austrian National team (and there is not only the Liechtenstein-match)....there he shows that he can do it, and people love him.....the reason for me is that under manager Marcel Koller Arni has his fix place in the starting 11 every game....now Arni "pays the trust back", the manager placed on him. (I´m sure the last sentence has nothing to do with English language )
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