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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 8, 2015 14:49:06 GMT
Most Stoke fans. The frisson, that ripples around the ground when he picks up the ball or comes on has long since been an exercise in futility. He can do nice things and in most games he works very hard but he hasn't made a telling difference in a game for months and months. I didn't read this before my last post (thought it was a one-pager, that old chestnut). I disagree that that means he's overrated though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:49:19 GMT
You don't know what you're on about.He's world class,just ask ukyestoney
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Post by dazscfc on Apr 8, 2015 14:52:51 GMT
Arnie is a good footballer skill control and strength, problem is with him is he is very inconsistent hence why he didnt make the grade at Inter Milan. To say that he should be shown the door after spending a few million on him has just confirmed what I thought and that is a lot of Stoke fans wouldnt know a footballer if they kicked a ball into their face and think someone like Dean Whitehead is a better footballer than Marko. Just madness and embarrasses and dont want to be associated with these clueless 'fans' of football!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Apr 8, 2015 15:00:16 GMT
I like him. Hes hugely frustrating but I do believe there are more positives than negatives.
I'm not sure what clicked with him last season but when he hit his purple patch so did Odemwingie and Ireland I personally think odemwingie was the catalyst for Arnies and Ireland's form improvement. Ireland has also struggled this season so it could be that those three just clicked sadly they've not been on the pitch at the same time this season. He definitely needs another season to see what happens when Odem and Bojan reappear
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 8, 2015 15:09:49 GMT
He looks a different player for Austria. I still think if Diouf had played upfront more and with Moses on the other side he would of had the space he needed.
He has all the ability to be a truly great player but like many say its consistency that lets him down.
Regardless of his future with this club he has given us some great memories, whether it be the freekick at old Trafford, the 'are you not entertained' to the Villa crowd after his assist or his performance against Newcastle at home where he destroyed them by himself.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 8, 2015 15:41:25 GMT
Arnie is a good footballer skill control and strength, problem is with him is he is very inconsistent hence why he didnt make the grade at Inter Milan. To say that he should be shown the door after spending a few million on him has just confirmed what I thought and that is a lot of Stoke fans wouldnt know a footballer if they kicked a ball into their face and think someone like Dean Whitehead is a better footballer than Marko. Just madness and embarrasses and dont want to be associated with these clueless 'fans' of football! That's your opinion, but you don't seem to respect those of others. And why bring Dean Whitehead into it?
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Post by kurt on Apr 8, 2015 15:51:05 GMT
31 PL games played - Arni only 14 matches in the starting 11!!! Mark Hughes has other favourites this season. We had our best phase of the season between the Everton victory in December and the 3:1 against QPR, that was the time when Arni started regularly. The fact, that he still has no PL-goal is definitely a big shame for him, i think he knows that, but for the quality of our offensive play he is very important.
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Post by st3mark on Apr 8, 2015 15:58:53 GMT
He'll be gone in the summer. Hughes drops him every time he's got 2 other fit wingers. Hughes knows he's not got what it takes.
The one cross for a Crouch header is the only bit of class he's shown for the entirety of this season. He hasn't even been good enough to get in the team unless we've had injuries.
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Post by redstriper on Apr 8, 2015 16:01:50 GMT
Bang on. Amazes me that so many jump to his defence, I think it's more down to not wanting to be proved wrong on here. He hasn't done anything worth jizzing about in the entire season, he produced one decent cross for a Crouch goal and celebrated like it was Christmas, which says a lot. The "need games" bollocks wasn't true in November and is even less so now. Even during his hot spell he gave the ball away more than anyone else, re-run Fulham 4-1 if you don't believe me. I wish him well, but if he is first choice we can forget about progressing further. One decent cross , it was sublime, and I'm guessing he celebrated like that because of frustration of lack of game time and a few recent poor performances. This season he has started 22 games and come on as sub in 9 others ffs. Can we please put this horse-shite to bed ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 16:11:21 GMT
One decent cross , it was sublime, and I'm guessing he celebrated like that because of frustration of lack of game time and a few recent poor performances. This season he has started 22 games and come on as sub in 9 others ffs. Can we please put this horse-shite to bed ? Needs games mate.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 8, 2015 16:17:18 GMT
One decent cross , it was sublime, and I'm guessing he celebrated like that because of frustration of lack of game time and a few recent poor performances. This season he has started 22 games and come on as sub in 9 others ffs. Can we please put this horse-shite to bed ? Okay fine, frustration of having a few poor performances, he can celebrate anyway he fucking wishes, would rather that than not giving a shit.
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Post by rednwhite43 on Apr 8, 2015 16:18:31 GMT
Totaly agree kev, over rated show pony, me me me , his body language stinks you wouldnt mind if he could play a bit but hes wank get rid!!
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Post by RWChris on Apr 8, 2015 16:23:10 GMT
Generally I like the guy but he must be one of the most frustrating players we have had in terms of composure.
He's scored two league goals from open play in nearly 2 seasons now. And being picky, the goal he scored against West Ham at home last season was a fairly scuffed shot.
If we're to try and make a step-up then we need all of our attacking players contributing goals, goalscoring oppurtunities and assists. At the moment Arnie isn't delivering in that sense and I can only see him falling further down the pecking order.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 16:24:15 GMT
What I don't get is the character assassination stuff. If he celebrates he's in the wrong now FFS! Others make out he's only interested in himself, but a quick look at any Stoke goal shows him to be in the middle of the celebrations.
If you think he's a poor footballer then fair enough, but stop trying to justify your position by making shit up.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd be gutted if he left us. If football is just about functionality and goals, then clearly this season at least, Arnie hasn't produced too often, though I think it's been a stop- start season for the whole team. I think it's about more than that, and as others have said, his first touch can be a thing of wonder.
I've not seen anyone in a Stoke shirt who can bring a ball down from mid-air and control it like Arnie can for many, many years if at all.
I go to watch football to see footballers like Arnie.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 8, 2015 16:24:54 GMT
The problem with Arnie this season, is his best position is on the left wing.
Unfortunately Moses has been in great form all season down the left, forcing Arnie to play on the right where he's not as effective.
Look at the Man Utd game at the brit on New Years day, Arnie played on the left that day and was arguably the best player on the pitch.
I have found it strange that Moses has played the entire season on the left and not been tried on the right with Arnie in his more natural left wing role.
I'd have Arnie & Moses starting on the wings with them swapping sides throughout the game.
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Post by whateva on Apr 8, 2015 16:28:47 GMT
This Arnie thing, I not get it neither.
As if Stoke had a world class team and Arnie was a striker.
Again the football experts. ever considered of writing for some newspaper? funny. very, very funny.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 8, 2015 16:35:27 GMT
I don't see why he's getting this stick now?
He was completely ineffectual for most of the first 3-4 months of the season. He's been steadily improving since around the turn of the year and it's now we decide we've had enough of him?
Don't get it.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 8, 2015 16:35:41 GMT
How many times have we seen:
------------- Diouf ----------------- --- Moses -- Bojan -- Arnautovic ---- ------ Sidwell - Nzonzi ------------- Pieters - Muni - Shawcross - Bardsley ----------- Bego --------------------
Against certain team this looked like our best team. We have the players to play so many combinations (when they are all fit) but If we saw that team on a regular basis I wonder how we'd do and if we'd need a new striker with the two peters on the bench and JW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 16:48:55 GMT
I don't see why he's getting this stick now? He was completely ineffectual for most of the first 3-4 months of the season. He's been steadily improving since around the turn of the year and it's now we decide we've had enough of him? Don't get it. I've always thought the Oatcake was representative overall of the views of our support, but on this issue I'm not sure it is. I always get the impression at the ground that most Stoke fans are desperate for him to do well.
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Post by foster on Apr 8, 2015 17:32:50 GMT
Decent player for us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 8, 2015 17:37:20 GMT
I don't see why he's getting this stick now? He was completely ineffectual for most of the first 3-4 months of the season. He's been steadily improving since around the turn of the year and it's now we decide we've had enough of him? Don't get it. I think people have been quite understandably waiting for him to explode and he hasn't. Even when the first choice left winger has been out for periods he can't make the place his own, which must tell you something? I'm not surprised patience is wearing thin. One thing you cant argue with I suppose is he cost £2M and looks every inch a £2M player.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 8, 2015 17:39:54 GMT
I don't see why he's getting this stick now? He was completely ineffectual for most of the first 3-4 months of the season. He's been steadily improving since around the turn of the year and it's now we decide we've had enough of him? Don't get it. I've always thought the Oatcake was representative overall of the views of our support, but on this issue I'm not sure it is. I always get the impression at the ground that most Stoke fans are desperate for him to do well. Of course they are. Look at who is giving him a hard time on this thread and you'll begin to see the agenda. It's called using any excuse to have a veiled pop at the manager.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 8, 2015 17:41:53 GMT
I've always thought the Oatcake was representative overall of the views of our support, but on this issue I'm not sure it is. I always get the impression at the ground that most Stoke fans are desperate for him to do well. Of course they are. Look at who is giving him a hard time on this thread and you'll begin to see the agenda. It's called using any excuse to have a veiled pop at the manager. The manager correctly went and loaned a superior player in his main position. Well done the manager I say
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 8, 2015 17:59:42 GMT
I don't see why he's getting this stick now? He was completely ineffectual for most of the first 3-4 months of the season. He's been steadily improving since around the turn of the year and it's now we decide we've had enough of him? Don't get it. I think people have been quite understandably waiting for him to explode and he hasn't. Even when the first choice left winger has been out for periods he can't make the place his own, which must tell you something? I'm not surprised patience is wearing thin. One thing you cant argue with I suppose is he cost £2M and looks every inch a £2M player. I wouldn't argue with that mate and he frustrates me at times as well. The "he only cost £2m" argument has never really washed either given we got Etherington for around that if not less and even when his legs had gone he was still good for 5-10 assists a season. He's not the talisman I think we thought we were getting but I think he's still shown enough to not be worth writing off yet and his form since Christmas has been markedly better than his form before. He really needs to start doing it from from the outset though, rather than turning up halfway through.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 18:12:28 GMT
A few words
I 'get it'
he (Arnie) posesses incredible football talent - its almost too easy for him at times - sooner or later hes going to come good
trust in Hughes - he will
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Post by hartzchoco on Apr 8, 2015 18:20:45 GMT
It's the hair. Nobody gets it.
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Post by rednwhite43 on Apr 8, 2015 18:23:34 GMT
A few words I 'get it' he (Arnie) posesses incredible football talent - its almost too easy for him at times - sooner or later hes going to come good trust in Hughes - he will Dont hold your breath
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 8, 2015 18:40:34 GMT
Are people still going on about his body language??
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Post by redstriper on Apr 8, 2015 19:05:07 GMT
I don't see why he's getting this stick now? He was completely ineffectual for most of the first 3-4 months of the season. He's been steadily improving since around the turn of the year and it's now we decide we've had enough of him? Don't get it. I've always thought the Oatcake was representative overall of the views of our support, but on this issue I'm not sure it is. I always get the impression at the ground that most Stoke fans are desperate for him to do well. er, you are missing the point. Of course people want him to do well during a match, he is on the pitch in a stoke shirt, people want us to win the game, if he does well that will improve our chances - obviously. this thread is about whether he is worth his place, and why he gets cut so much more slack than anyone else who consistently underperforms.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 8, 2015 19:14:16 GMT
After watching Arnie for over the best part of two seasons ,i fail to see anything resembling a top footballer there. The lad had a purple patch last season of around 8 matches on the back of the whole team playing well. Before this he was bordering on dire.He again carried this form on this season. No goals ,no shots,no assists just gets applauded for chasing back when hes usually caught wrong side. I really dont get it at all with him ,for me he would be out the door.How a player of such ordinaryness can be adored by some amazes me. one hundred per cent in agreement
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