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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 1, 2015 15:22:16 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off Cracking pork chops. baah
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Apr 1, 2015 19:27:57 GMT
The problem with him was the level of jump. Talent wise the gap between premiership and mls is to big for most in one leap in my opinion. I struggle with how it is done in England. Shea has all the tools to be a quality premiership player but there are too many levels between where he was and coming here. American players would do well to start in league 1 or Championship in England but more likely in a smaller country like Bel belgium, or the Netherlands if they want to take that route... Seriously how many League 1 players succeed when they jump straight to the Premier? I believe that is exactly what is holding the England national team. High expectations too young without allowing proper development. Look at Barcelona and Real. They have B teams in lower levels to allow their prospects to grow. Wouldn't it make sense for Stoke to build a partnership with Gillinham, crewe or dare I say Vale where they can send prospects to let them grow? I definitely don't see that happening with Vale. I agree. Littlefinger is still focused on bedding Sansa.
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Apr 1, 2015 19:36:05 GMT
He's got a nice left, but can't dribble worth shit and isn't the best defender. Did you just compliment Shea? WTF is going on in this crazy world? The US president is trying to help Iran get nukes and fromtheusa said Brek has a nice left!
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Apr 1, 2015 19:39:53 GMT
I'm surprised this thread has reached two pages. Brek Shea was not good enough for English football. The fact he is doing ok in the USA speaks volumes about the quality of that league than it does ours. End of story. the funny thing is that he will probably score the winning goal for the USA in a world cup match that knocks England out.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 1, 2015 20:16:11 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off More of a chance? He didn't get much of a chance at all. Granted the kid didn't live up to hype, but what were you doing at 22 years of age? Being 5,000 miles from home isn't all that easy, especially at 22 and surrounded by hyperbole. He made his mistakes, but Jesus Christ cut him just a little slack.This board can be so fucking anti USA it amazes me. Geoff gets raped and pillaged almost fucking daily on here. No one can honestly tell me it has nothing to do with where he's from. This is honest. Believe it. Nothing at all to do with being from USA: I think Cameron is the best RB at the club. He also offers reasonable cover at CB and in midfield. Brek Shea was just an awful footballer. No heart, no guts, no ball control and an awful attititude to his job. I've supported Stoke for 45 years and I've seen alot of players with very little talent; sometimes I've seen players who have put very little effort in too. Brek Shea was a member of both of those groups. He should have been prepared to walk over broken glass to play for SCFC, instead he looked like he couldn't be arsed to get out of bed. He was comfortably the worst player on the pitch every time I saw him play; that includes a cup game against Walsall. My assessment of him was shared by a mate of mine who is Blues fan who could not believe we had actually signed Shea on a professional contract and thought he was some revenge plot for the 0-7 thrashing they gave us. Shea could have come from S-o-T; believe me it would not have made any difference to the way he was perceived.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 1, 2015 20:24:10 GMT
A Barnsley chop is Lamb
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 20:25:21 GMT
I'm surprised this thread has reached two pages. Brek Shea was not good enough for English football. The fact he is doing ok in the USA speaks volumes about the quality of that league than it does ours. End of story. the funny thing is that he will probably score the winning goal for the USA in a world cup match that knocks England out. 1. Not funny. 2. Will never happen.
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 1, 2015 20:26:09 GMT
SHEA was garbage, is garbage now and always will be garbage
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Post by hartzchoco on Apr 1, 2015 21:11:09 GMT
More of a chance? He didn't get much of a chance at all. Granted the kid didn't live up to hype, but what were you doing at 22 years of age? Being 5,000 miles from home isn't all that easy, especially at 22 and surrounded by hyperbole. He made his mistakes, but Jesus Christ cut him just a little slack.This board can be so fucking anti USA it amazes me. Geoff gets raped and pillaged almost fucking daily on here. No one can honestly tell me it has nothing to do with where he's from. This is honest. Believe it. Nothing at all to do with being from USA: I think Cameron is the best RB at the club. He also offers reasonable cover at CB and in midfield. Brek Shea was just an awful footballer. No heart, no guts, no ball control and an awful attititude to his job. I've supported Stoke for 45 years and I've seen alot of players with very little talent; sometimes I've seen players who have put very little effort in too. Brek Shea was a member of both of those groups. He should have been prepared to walk over broken glass to play for SCFC, instead he looked like he couldn't be arsed to get out of bed. He was comfortably the worst player on the pitch every time I saw him play; that includes a cup game against Walsall. My assessment of him was shared by a mate of mine who is Blues fan who could not believe we had actually signed Shea on a professional contract and thought he was some revenge plot for the 0-7 thrashing they gave us. Shea could have come from S-o-T; believe me it would not have made any difference to the way he was perceived. To be honest, my USA rant comes entirely from the shit that Geoff gets on here, much of it undeserved in my opinion. The attempt at providing backup for Brek was more the whiskey talking than me. I need to install a breathalyser on my computer. Although I do think he has matured somewhat, and he'll do fine in the MLS. I totally agree, he should have walked through fire and ate shit for the chance to play in the Prem.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 2, 2015 1:15:10 GMT
This is honest. Believe it. Nothing at all to do with being from USA: I think Cameron is the best RB at the club. He also offers reasonable cover at CB and in midfield. Brek Shea was just an awful footballer. No heart, no guts, no ball control and an awful attititude to his job. I've supported Stoke for 45 years and I've seen alot of players with very little talent; sometimes I've seen players who have put very little effort in too. Brek Shea was a member of both of those groups. He should have been prepared to walk over broken glass to play for SCFC, instead he looked like he couldn't be arsed to get out of bed. He was comfortably the worst player on the pitch every time I saw him play; that includes a cup game against Walsall. My assessment of him was shared by a mate of mine who is Blues fan who could not believe we had actually signed Shea on a professional contract and thought he was some revenge plot for the 0-7 thrashing they gave us. Shea could have come from S-o-T; believe me it would not have made any difference to the way he was perceived. To be honest, my USA rant comes entirely from the shit that Geoff gets on here, much of it undeserved in my opinion. The attempt at providing backup for Brek was more the whiskey talking than me. I need to install a breathalyser on my computer. Although I do think he has matured somewhat, and he'll do fine in the MLS. I totally agree, he should have walked through fire and ate shit for the chance to play in the Prem. As an ex-PAT and proud American, I have to agree with you that some of the crap GC gets on here is a result of where he comes from. He is the best RB at the club but that's not saying much. IMO he's looked better at CM on the few occasions he's had the chance. However, Brek Shea was, is and always will be a very ordinary football player. Never was BPL standard. Sorry. Stoke were sold a bill of goods.
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Post by fromtheusa on Apr 2, 2015 2:32:47 GMT
He's got a nice left, but can't dribble worth shit and isn't the best defender. Did you just compliment Shea? WTF is going on in this crazy world? The US president is trying to help Iran get nukes and fromtheusa said Brek has a nice left! I have always given him credit for his left. I just hate the tall-tales of his speed and dribbling.
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Post by NottsMatt on Apr 2, 2015 2:58:50 GMT
I find it funny how yanks think Geoff Cameron is the best thing since sliced bread, he's an athlete not a great footballer. Maybe you know little about Bardsley and what he bring to the team but as an English man Geoff isn't the best right back at the club and never will be. He's a handy squad player and does ok where ever he plays but you cant expect much more than that. Brek Shea was a one trick pony, the kind of pony that can do a million kick ups but tackle him self at the end of it, should never have wasted the money on him but I would imagine its done the club well in terms of USA fan base (even if they do take over this site with complete ballox)
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 2, 2015 3:12:23 GMT
Leave the lad alone for fuck sakes, why don't you lads who live in England hound Palacios out of his home in Cheshire instead of picking on a boy who scored for his country. And scored the winning goal last season in the gold cup. Ridiculous abuse Brek gets I feel I need to fight his corner. I
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Post by fromtheusa on Apr 2, 2015 3:52:47 GMT
Leave the lad alone for fuck sakes, why don't you lads who live in England hound Palacios out of his home in Cheshire instead of picking on a boy who scored for his country. And scored the winning goal last season in the gold cup. Ridiculous abuse Brek gets I feel I need to fight his corner. I Fuck Shea all the way to the bank, he's a League 1 player that got an EPL contract because TP didn't have him trial. He's a marketing scheme gone wrong like Freddy Adu. He gets to leap frog all other Americans that actually deserves chances because USA/MLS soccer is bankrupt and needs marketing gimmicks to grow ratings. Shit is sad and has been going on way too long in America. USA fanboys care more about kit colors and Shea's hair then winning.
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Apr 2, 2015 4:42:01 GMT
Leave the lad alone for fuck sakes, why don't you lads who live in England hound Palacios out of his home in Cheshire instead of picking on a boy who scored for his country. And scored the winning goal last season in the gold cup. Ridiculous abuse Brek gets I feel I need to fight his corner. I Fuck Shea all the way to the bank, he's a League 1 player that got an EPL contract because TP didn't have him trial. He's a marketing scheme gone wrong like Freddy Adu. He gets to leap frog all other Americans that actually deserves chances because USA/MLS soccer is bankrupt and needs marketing gimmicks to grow ratings. Shit is sad and has been going on way too long in America. USA fanboys care more about kit colors and Shea's hair then winning. Brek failed miserably at Stoke. He's pretty successful for his national team. In 2015, he's scored against Chile and Switzerland. Shit players don't score international goals against those teams. We all know Shea is dreadful at defending right? He looks a hot mess at left back. Oddly, Switzerland targeted Shea with Shaqiri all night and the little guy didn't score or set up any goals. Shaqiri must be a shit player too if he goes at Brek for 90 minutes with no result.
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Post by seventhrowscreamer on Apr 2, 2015 5:00:24 GMT
the funny thing is that he will probably score the winning goal for the USA in a world cup match that knocks England out. 1. Not funny. 2. Will never happen. I just talked to Robert Green. He thinks it's possible.
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 2, 2015 5:52:27 GMT
Leave the lad alone for fuck sakes, why don't you lads who live in England hound Palacios out of his home in Cheshire instead of picking on a boy who scored for his country. And scored the winning goal last season in the gold cup. Ridiculous abuse Brek gets I feel I need to fight his corner. I Fuck Shea all the way to the bank, he's a League 1 player that got an EPL contract because TP didn't have him trial. He's a marketing scheme gone wrong like Freddy Adu. He gets to leap frog all other Americans that actually deserves chances because USA/MLS soccer is bankrupt and needs marketing gimmicks to grow ratings. Shit is sad and has been going on way too long in America. USA fanboys care more about kit colors and Shea's hair then winning. Brek apparently tried as best he could to make it at Stoke. He failed. I bet he feels so good inside as a young lad knowing that. He scored a great goal for his country, and I'm proud of him for that. Great skill
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2015 9:32:08 GMT
Brek wasn't given a chance really though was he. A few minutes at the end of a couple of games? Come on, let's not be hypocritical here. We can't tear Woy to pieces about hanging Shawcross out to dry when Brek was given a few minutes at the end of an Everton battering.
I don't know about Brek's attitude. He did seem a bit of an arse and perhaps didn't get the whole culture of the game over here, but he was NEVER given a real crack of the whip, that's a fact. Hughes is a smart man and clearly Brek was good enough to warrant a chance under his management as well as Tone's, let's not forget that!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 2, 2015 9:41:08 GMT
Brek wasn't given a chance really though was he. A few minutes at the end of a couple of games? Come on, let's not be hypocritical here. We can't tear Woy to pieces about hanging Shawcross out to dry when Brek was given a few minutes at the end of an Everton battering. I don't know about Brek's attitude. He did seem a bit of an arse and perhaps didn't get the whole culture of the game over here, but he was NEVER given a real crack of the whip, that's a fact. Hughes is a smart man and clearly Brek was good enough to warrant a chance under his management as well as Tone's, let's not forget that! You have to earn a crack of the whip surely? You don't just get one for existing. The Shawcross situation isn't remotely the same thing.
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 2, 2015 9:45:37 GMT
A Barnsley chop is Lamb What sound do ducks make?
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 2, 2015 9:49:53 GMT
For what it's worth, I had a look at what some American supporters think of Brek and the general consensus seemed to be that he needed another season in the MLS before he'd be ready for a move abroad. Attitude was also cited a couple of times.
On the flip side, these people all really rate Cameron as a top player, so it's not like they're trashing Shea because he's American. In fairness, although I don't rate him, I can see why people do rate Cameron. He's not without some positive qualities. Shea...I just don't see it. If we'd loaned Cameron out to Birmingham or Barnsley then you can be sure he'd have actually made some kind of impact.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2015 10:36:29 GMT
For what it's worth, I had a look at what some American supporters think of Brek and the general consensus seemed to be that he needed another season in the MLS before he'd be ready for a move abroad. Attitude was also cited a couple of times. On the flip side, these people all really rate Cameron as a top player, so it's not like they're trashing Shea because he's American. In fairness, although I don't rate him, I can see why people do rate Cameron. He's not without some positive qualities. Shea...I just don't see it. If we'd loaned Cameron out to Birmingham or Barnsley then you can be sure he'd have actually made some kind of impact. Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 2, 2015 10:41:02 GMT
For what it's worth, I had a look at what some American supporters think of Brek and the general consensus seemed to be that he needed another season in the MLS before he'd be ready for a move abroad. Attitude was also cited a couple of times. On the flip side, these people all really rate Cameron as a top player, so it's not like they're trashing Shea because he's American. In fairness, although I don't rate him, I can see why people do rate Cameron. He's not without some positive qualities. Shea...I just don't see it. If we'd loaned Cameron out to Birmingham or Barnsley then you can be sure he'd have actually made some kind of impact. Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time? But you have to earn game time surely? What did he do to be worth it? He's failed to impress at three different clubs and under two different Stoke managers. Hughes generally rewards players who do well, if Shea had, he'd have got his chance.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 2, 2015 10:47:51 GMT
For what it's worth, I had a look at what some American supporters think of Brek and the general consensus seemed to be that he needed another season in the MLS before he'd be ready for a move abroad. Attitude was also cited a couple of times. On the flip side, these people all really rate Cameron as a top player, so it's not like they're trashing Shea because he's American. In fairness, although I don't rate him, I can see why people do rate Cameron. He's not without some positive qualities. Shea...I just don't see it. If we'd loaned Cameron out to Birmingham or Barnsley then you can be sure he'd have actually made some kind of impact. Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time? Was that the penalty away at Fulham?
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2015 11:09:43 GMT
Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time? Was that the penalty away at Fulham? At Birmingham.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 2, 2015 11:18:34 GMT
For what it's worth, I had a look at what some American supporters think of Brek and the general consensus seemed to be that he needed another season in the MLS before he'd be ready for a move abroad. Attitude was also cited a couple of times. On the flip side, these people all really rate Cameron as a top player, so it's not like they're trashing Shea because he's American. In fairness, although I don't rate him, I can see why people do rate Cameron. He's not without some positive qualities. Shea...I just don't see it. If we'd loaned Cameron out to Birmingham or Barnsley then you can be sure he'd have actually made some kind of impact. Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time? In that case I'll bring my boots on Saturday. I might be a stone overweight, 37 years old and have a knackered right knee, but I've never been given a chance.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 2, 2015 11:19:03 GMT
Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time? Was that the penalty away at Fulham? That penalty at Fulham was a result of him being scared of getting tackled, instead of holding onto the ball he tried to flick it away to no-one and by sheet luck it hit a hand and we got a soft penalty. The bloke was utterly useless.
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Post by fromtheusa on Apr 2, 2015 11:20:48 GMT
Fuck Shea all the way to the bank, he's a League 1 player that got an EPL contract because TP didn't have him trial. He's a marketing scheme gone wrong like Freddy Adu. He gets to leap frog all other Americans that actually deserves chances because USA/MLS soccer is bankrupt and needs marketing gimmicks to grow ratings. Shit is sad and has been going on way too long in America. USA fanboys care more about kit colors and Shea's hair then winning. Brek failed miserably at Stoke. He's pretty successful for his national team. In 2015, he's scored against Chile and Switzerland. Shit players don't score international goals against those teams. We all know Shea is dreadful at defending right? He looks a hot mess at left back. Oddly, Switzerland targeted Shea with Shaqiri all night and the little guy didn't score or set up any goals. Shaqiri must be a shit player too if he goes at Brek for 90 minutes with no result. Chile was a B squad with all Chilean domestic club players. Your right Shea played amazing at LB vs Switzerland, I bet Stoke will recall him. Shaqiri's Inter Milan might even buy Shea off Stoke.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 2, 2015 11:21:25 GMT
Shea set up a goal on his first game and barely got a look in from then on out. Surely it's all about game time? Was that the penalty away at Fulham? Yeah, that was his debut. Looked utterly lost and bewildered, improved a bit after the break and won the pen. As good as it got for him and was rotten every time he featured in a competitive game after that.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 2, 2015 11:28:07 GMT
At the top level a player's psychological condition is crucial. I genuinely don't think there's much between the likes of Shea and player's like Ethers, Walters etc.
The big factor is how they perform under pressure and/or when things are tough off the pitch.
For whatever reason Shea never seemed to settle and his off pitch difficulties impacted his performance. Maybe he just wasn't cut out for playing overseas.
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