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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 20:13:15 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 31, 2015 20:13:15 GMT
It's nothing to do with where they're from. Actually, I believe that when it comes to Brek. He never came close to living up to what many, including myself, thought he could accomplish when he crossed the pond. Plenty of time for Brek to come good, still a kiddie.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 31, 2015 20:17:30 GMT
Actually, I believe that when it comes to Brek. He never came close to living up to what many, including myself, thought he could accomplish when he crossed the pond. Plenty of time for Brek to come good, still a kiddie. I truly believe he will. From a mental standpoint, I don't think he was anywhere near ready to go abroad when he did.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 31, 2015 20:44:40 GMT
Actually, I believe that when it comes to Brek. He never came close to living up to what many, including myself, thought he could accomplish when he crossed the pond. Plenty of time for Brek to come good, still a kiddie. Hes 25.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 31, 2015 20:47:32 GMT
Plenty of time for Brek to come good, still a kiddie. Hes 25. 25 isn't exactly over the hill. He's still young.
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 20:47:42 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 31, 2015 20:47:42 GMT
It's nothing to do with where they're from. Its everything to do with haircuts and draft trousers
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 31, 2015 20:50:51 GMT
25 isn't exactly over the hill. He's still young. Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude.
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 20:51:42 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 31, 2015 20:51:42 GMT
He's had a good game against ....Switzerland. Still don't believe he is suitable for the weekly grind of the Premier League. Don't wish him anything other than well, but he is back where he belongs.
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 20:54:02 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 31, 2015 20:54:02 GMT
25 isn't exactly over the hill. He's still young. Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude. You are a better judge of talent than Jürgen Klinsmann so I defer to your keen eye for international footballers.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 31, 2015 20:55:57 GMT
Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude. You are a better judge of talent than Jürgen Klinsmann so I defer to your keen eye for international footballers. Thank you kindly
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 31, 2015 20:56:26 GMT
25 isn't exactly over the hill. He's still young. Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude. He'll mature. His feet on American soil will do him good.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 31, 2015 20:57:16 GMT
It's nothing to do with where they're from. Its everything to do with haircuts and draft trousers It's everything to do with shit performances.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 31, 2015 20:57:28 GMT
Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude. He'll mature. His feet on American soil will do him good. True hes found his level good luck to him.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 31, 2015 21:03:32 GMT
He'll mature. His feet on American soil will do him good. True hes found his level good luck to him. I can't tell if you meant that to come across as condescending as it reads.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Mar 31, 2015 21:07:20 GMT
True hes found his level good luck to him. I can't tell if you meant that to come across as condescending as it reads. Not condescending at all I believe that's his level and wish him good luck. j
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 31, 2015 21:19:04 GMT
Was he ever reallty given any chance? A serious run of matches? A decent run out? Never like to criticise players for their ability and no we didn't see the best of Brek but neither did the teams he was loaned to. Can't judge him on one game can we, he didn't do a great deal in this country and that might be the answer probably happier at home.
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 21:20:51 GMT
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Post by stokefaninde on Mar 31, 2015 21:20:51 GMT
The problem with him was the level of jump. Talent wise the gap between premiership and mls is to big for most in one leap in my opinion. I struggle with how it is done in England. Shea has all the tools to be a quality premiership player but there are too many levels between where he was and coming here. American players would do well to start in league 1 or Championship in England but more likely in a smaller country like Bel belgium, or the Netherlands if they want to take that route... Seriously how many League 1 players succeed when they jump straight to the Premier? I believe that is exactly what is holding the England national team. High expectations too young without allowing proper development. Look at Barcelona and Real. They have B teams in lower levels to allow their prospects to grow. Wouldn't it make sense for Stoke to build a partnership with Gillinham, crewe or dare I say Vale where they can send prospects to let them grow?
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 31, 2015 21:25:50 GMT
The problem with him was the level of jump. Talent wise the gap between premiership and mls is to big for most in one leap in my opinion. I struggle with how it is done in England. Shea has all the tools to be a quality premiership player but there are too many levels between where he was and coming here. American players would do well to start in league 1 or Championship in England but more likely in a smaller country like Bel belgium, or the Netherlands if they want to take that route... Seriously how many League 1 players succeed when they jump straight to the Premier? I believe that is exactly what is holding the England national team. High expectations too young without allowing proper development. Look at Barcelona and Real. They have B teams in lower levels to allow their prospects to grow. Wouldn't it make sense for Stoke to build a partnership with Gillinham, crewe or dare I say Vale where they can send prospects to let them grow? I definitely don't see that happening with Vale.
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 21:43:25 GMT
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Post by stokefaninde on Mar 31, 2015 21:43:25 GMT
How much would it help Teixeira, Shea or our young guys coming through if we had a League 1 team we built a partnership with?
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 22:15:21 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Mar 31, 2015 22:15:21 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example?
He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings.
Even Barnsley fucked him off
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Post by kustokie on Mar 31, 2015 22:25:16 GMT
Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude. He'll mature. His feet on American soil will do him good. He better hurry up. 25 is not young in this game.
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 31, 2015 22:26:42 GMT
How much would it help Teixeira, Shea or our young guys coming through if we had a League 1 team we built a partnership with? We kind of have that with Barnsley. Most youngsters end up on loan there at some point.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2015 22:53:59 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off Cracking pork chops.
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Post by fromtheusa on Mar 31, 2015 23:00:46 GMT
He's got a nice left, but can't dribble worth shit and isn't the best defender.
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Brek Shea
Mar 31, 2015 23:01:20 GMT
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Post by watcher on Mar 31, 2015 23:01:20 GMT
Only really saw him in an u21 game last season and he was anonymous! Looked out of his depth even then . The MLS is championship standard at best so looks like he's found his level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 23:20:06 GMT
Not a kiddie though and hes not good enough and has a bad attitude. You are a better judge of talent than Jürgen Klinsmann so I defer to your keen eye for international footballers. Yes...a very astute observation . This could be why several League one clubs showed an interest....
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Post by hartzchoco on Apr 1, 2015 4:31:53 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off More of a chance? He didn't get much of a chance at all. Granted the kid didn't live up to hype, but what were you doing at 22 years of age? Being 5,000 miles from home isn't all that easy, especially at 22 and surrounded by hyperbole. He made his mistakes, but Jesus Christ cut him just a little slack.This board can be so fucking anti USA it amazes me. Geoff gets raped and pillaged almost fucking daily on here. No one can honestly tell me it has nothing to do with where he's from.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 1, 2015 6:30:32 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off More of a chance? He didn't get much of a chance at all. Granted the kid didn't live up to hype, but what were you doing at 22 years of age? Being 5,000 miles from home isn't all that easy, especially at 22 and surrounded by hyperbole. He made his mistakes, but Jesus Christ cut him just a little slack.This board can be so fucking anti USA it amazes me. Geoff gets raped and pillaged almost fucking daily on here. No one can honestly tell me it has nothing to do with where he's from. It's absolutely sod all to do with it. Apart from Bojan you'll find every other player has someone slagging them off (even Shawcross and N'Zonzi). For as many people who don't rate Cameron at all, there are others who do quite like him (I'm one of them). He's just one of those players who divides opinion because his game is a mixture of good and bad- same as Phil Bardsley, Charle Adam etc. As for Shea, you can make all the excuses under the sun for the lad, but he simply was not, is not, and never will be good enough for this level of football. It's nothing to do with where he's from, what haircut he's got or what trousers he wears. If you're not cutting the mustard on loan at Birmingham or Barnsley then you don't deserve a chance at Stoke City, especially when you've looked so completely out of your depth. If we rated or slated players dependant on where they're from, how would Robert Huth be one of the most popular players we've ever had? You're talking out of your arse.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 1, 2015 6:39:12 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off More of a chance? He didn't get much of a chance at all. Granted the kid didn't live up to hype, but what were you doing at 22 years of age? Being 5,000 miles from home isn't all that easy, especially at 22 and surrounded by hyperbole. He made his mistakes, but Jesus Christ cut him just a little slack.This board can be so fucking anti USA it amazes me. Geoff gets raped and pillaged almost fucking daily on here. No one can honestly tell me it has nothing to do with where he's from. Is there an anti-Irish sentiment as well then, given that Wilson, Whelan and Walters all have their detractors? It's nothing to do with where they come from. Shea offered literally nothing to suggest he could make it as a footballer in England. He looked hopelessly out of his depth whenever he played for Stoke, he did nothing at Barnsley, he did nothing at Birmingham. Players who are going to make it - however young they are - generally show something. It didn't help his cause that he continually tweeted pictures of himself titting about which suggested he wasn't taking he whole thing massively seriously. Maybe unfair, but that was the perception. I think Geoff gets so much stick because his acolytes refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses in his game and that for every good performance in any given position there's a bad one round the corner. He does have qualities - he brings the ball forward quickly, he's capable of some incisive, positive passing, he gets into good positions. But defensively his positioning at right back leaves a lot to be desired and he's continually done by tricky players. In midfield he can be careless. In central defence he can look nervous. His crossing is sometimes excellent, but often just awful. That would be the case if he was from Bucknall or Boston.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 1, 2015 7:38:58 GMT
Why does Shea deserve more of a chance than Wayne Walker for example? He was fucking terrible. Nothing to suggest otherwise. One of the previous regimes worst ever signings. Even Barnsley fucked him off More of a chance? He didn't get much of a chance at all. Granted the kid didn't live up to hype, but what were you doing at 22 years of age? Being 5,000 miles from home isn't all that easy, especially at 22 and surrounded by hyperbole. He made his mistakes, but Jesus Christ cut him just a little slack.This board can be so fucking anti USA it amazes me. Geoff gets raped and pillaged almost fucking daily on here. No one can honestly tell me it has nothing to do with where he's from. TD and CD have answered you pretty well already so I'll keep it short. I like Geoff Cameron as well for the record. Shea had no heart. The man seemed scared of the ball let alone getting tackled. Instead of moving to the ball when receiving a pass at times he seemed to back away. I didn't see ANYTHING to suggest he had even an ounce of ability. Our very own George Wear's cousin. Six yards out against Everton with an open goal and he pulled out because he was scared of getting clattered, that summed him up. In professional football you earn your chance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 7:42:48 GMT
I'm surprised this thread has reached two pages. Brek Shea was not good enough for English football. The fact he is doing ok in the USA speaks volumes about the quality of that league than it does ours.
End of story.
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