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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 6, 2015 20:19:54 GMT
Lads, stop grooming this poor fucker. You just bumped it. I actually find the banter with rival followers to be good sport.
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Post by ************** on Mar 6, 2015 20:30:30 GMT
I bet he wishes any of those Man U forums was as good as ours.
No tourists on here.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 20:58:52 GMT
You don't need to explain yourself....everyone here understands that following a Multinational Company as you do its only natural to crave a taste of a real club and real supporters. Bet365.....? Ouch!
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 6, 2015 21:33:37 GMT
Ouch! Wrong again. The Coates family owned Bet365 business, which is the largest private company employer in Stoke on Trent, is hardly the "international" company foxgloves was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 21:44:25 GMT
As a Manchester United fan, we've had our fair share of success, but disappointments too, just like any team. Right now, Stoke are doing pretty well and most fans are pretty content with the situation. What I don't get is the bi-polar nature of most of you. Bi-polar depression is extreme highs and extreme lows and this seems to epitomize most on here. A couple of wins and probably the best position Stoke has achieved so far in the Premiere league and Hughes is the best manager in history, a shoe in for Manager of the year and about to receive a knighthood and sainthood. A couple of weeks ago, Stoke lose to the bitters, which was a likely outcome, and suddenly, the sky is falling & Hughes should have been dragged to the centre spot and beheaded immediately. As much as I like Hughes, I find it unlikely a Manager outside the top 4 is going to receive manager of the month, let alone, manager of the year; that's just the way those nonsense awards work. I especially don't get all the doom and gloom after a loss. You'd think Stoke never lost a game before. Stoke: A perspective free zone. Lets give this guy a little credit, for a utd fan, his english is pretty decent....
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 6, 2015 21:47:04 GMT
Ouch! Wrong again. The Coates family owned Bet365 business, which is the largest private company employer in Stoke on Trent, is hardly the "international" company foxgloves was referring to. What are you replying to my post for, I didn't mention it. Anyway, if you read their help section, you get this: - help.bet365.com/en/faq/my-account | Who are bet365? Call me crazy, but in 200 different countries sounds like they're an international company to me, no matter where they're based and I'm pretty sure most, if not all international companies are based somewhere, even if they only have one office.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 6, 2015 21:54:27 GMT
My question is; why is it so important for him to work us out? Hard to understand these Mancunians, isn't it!
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Post by whereami on Mar 6, 2015 22:49:33 GMT
To an extent. TV money goes up for everyone but other revenue stream still have an impact. Also, players offered the same money would still opt for the bigger club. - Match day revenue is much more at clubs like United and Arsenal (I think Arsenal get in two games what we make in a season). - Sponsorship revenue - Merchandising revenue - Champions League revenue - Premier League prize money revenue Yes, bigger clubs will have bigger revenue and bigger wage bills, but now, even the smaller Premier league clubs, with the new tv revenue will be able to afford the best players in the world, that clubs like Chelsea haven't bought. The FFP means Chelsea can't buy everyone and sit them on the bench any more and where players want to move to big clubs for the money and the Champions league, some players won't want to go to places like Chelsea, knowing they're going to be on the bench for most of the season, or players will go to Chelsea and after a year, want a move for the same reason. The increased revenue for big clubs means more profit, or higher wage bills. For smaller clubs, it means a bigger pool of world class players they can afford. 2 things for one, the top of the second division in the premier league as we're in right now is the difference between being able to win enough games to stay up, and being able to consistently break teams down who come to defend. Once relegation fears are out of the window, this is by far the biggest difference in the premier league hierarchy and exactly what we haven't done consistently this season, because the players who can do it 8 or 9 times out of 10 games are very, very hard to come by. We can (and do) moan about losing to Leicester and Villa at home this season when those teams weren't performing well, but its just a matter of maths - we haven't got the matchwinners who are consistently matchwinners, and some games we WILL lose like this, same as the other teams in our position. secondly, there's regression to the mean. The "job" of the top middle tier premier league teams is to keep knocking on the door, then kick it down when a team falls out of the top third tier as Everton have done this season. The thing is though, Manu were just as off the boil for a while this season. As were Liverpool. As are Arsenal at some point every season. Its hard work to be a "nearly" team and maintain whats good about the team for season after season without the best parts of it being asset stripped. Southampton MAY finish in the top third this year, but will they grow from that and maintain it next year? For the next 5 years? The teams that are the most hyped get the most fans, and by exactly the same thought processes get the best players. As Manu Liverpool and Arsenal proved, the money / size of the club / whatever you wanna call it ends up finding its level again. This *can* change, but its a lot more likely for a big club to implode then it is for a nearly club to legitimately fight its way up to being one of the big boys on their own merits. Of course every Stoke supporter would love it if we did, but I'd bet the majority of us have more attainable goals in sight - filling the corner in, producing top flight players from our academy, getting into the Europa league... these are the building blocks we'd need to use to build our club before any thoughts of the top 4 could be even entertained, and most will agree with you they're worthy goals in their own right
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 6, 2015 23:35:30 GMT
Wrong again. The Coates family owned Bet365 business, which is the largest private company employer in Stoke on Trent, is hardly the "international" company foxgloves was referring to. What are you replying to my post for, I didn't mention it. Anyway, if you read their help section, you get this: - help.bet365.com/en/faq/my-account | Who are bet365? Call me crazy, but in 200 different countries sounds like they're an international company to me, no matter where they're based and I'm pretty sure most, if not all international companies are based somewhere, even if they only have one office. You really are tedious and quite dull. Bet 365 do not own Stoke City the Coates family hold the majority share holding. Stoke City is locally owned company, unlike ManU which is a Cayman Islands based company quoted on the New York stock exchange with a vast international share holding.
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Post by mailman44 on Mar 6, 2015 23:54:18 GMT
I dont think we are a small club any more cock Fookin' A right! We are the pride of the Midlands two years in a row! And we won the Autoglass title twice!
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Post by S.O.N.S. on Mar 6, 2015 23:58:54 GMT
I dont think we are a small club any more cock Fookin' A right! We are the pride of the Midlands two years in a row! And we won the Autoglass title two years in a row! Took some doing that.And as a definition of pride, it also took some doing.I never had the ankle tattoo though. I think Bisphampotterer has the 1987 Autoglass logo fully tatted on his back though
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Post by S.O.N.S. on Mar 7, 2015 0:15:45 GMT
Yes, bigger clubs will have bigger revenue and bigger wage bills, but now, even the smaller Premier league clubs, with the new tv revenue will be able to afford the best players in the world, that clubs like Chelsea haven't bought. The FFP means Chelsea can't buy everyone and sit them on the bench any more and where players want to move to big clubs for the money and the Champions league, some players won't want to go to places like Chelsea, knowing they're going to be on the bench for most of the season, or players will go to Chelsea and after a year, want a move for the same reason. The increased revenue for big clubs means more profit, or higher wage bills. For smaller clubs, it means a bigger pool of world class players they can afford. 2 things for one, the top of the second division in the premier league as we're in right now is the difference between being able to win enough games to stay up, and being able to consistently break teams down who come to defend. Once relegation fears are out of the window, this is by far the biggest difference in the premier league hierarchy and exactly what we haven't done consistently this season, because the players who can do it 8 or 9 times out of 10 games are very, very hard to come by. We can (and do) moan about losing to Leicester and Villa at home this season when those teams weren't performing well, but its just a matter of maths - we haven't got the matchwinners who are consistently matchwinners, and some games we WILL lose like this, same as the other teams in our position. secondly, there's regression to the mean. The "job" of the top middle tier premier league teams is to keep knocking on the door, then kick it down when a team falls out of the top third tier as Everton have done this season. The thing is though, Manu were just as off the boil for a while this season. As were Liverpool. As are Arsenal at some point every season. Its hard work to be a "nearly" team and maintain whats good about the team for season after season without the best parts of it being asset stripped. Southampton MAY finish in the top third this year, but will they grow from that and maintain it next year? For the next 5 years? The teams that are the most hyped get the most fans, and by exactly the same thought processes get the best players. As Manu Liverpool and Arsenal proved, the money / size of the club / whatever you wanna call it ends up finding its level again. This *can* change, but its a lot more likely for a big club to implode then it is for a nearly club to legitimately fight its way up to being one of the big boys on their own merits. Of course every Stoke supporter would love it if we did, but I'd bet the majority of us have more attainable goals in sight - filling the corner in, producing top flight players from our academy, getting into the Europa league... these are the building blocks we'd need to use to build our club before any thoughts of the top 4 could be even entertained, and most will agree with you they're worthy goals in their own right 1 thing. Punctuation. Nobody can read that kid.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 7, 2015 0:27:53 GMT
What are you replying to my post for, I didn't mention it. Anyway, if you read their help section, you get this: - help.bet365.com/en/faq/my-account | Who are bet365? Call me crazy, but in 200 different countries sounds like they're an international company to me, no matter where they're based and I'm pretty sure most, if not all international companies are based somewhere, even if they only have one office. You really are tedious and quite dull. Bet 365 do not own Stoke City the Coates family hold the majority share holding. Stoke City is locally owned company, unlike ManU which is a Cayman Islands based company quoted on the New York stock exchange with a vast international share holding. Where did I say Bet365 owned anything and where did I make mention of Bet365, other than to reply to your response to a post I made when someone else mentioned Bet365? You are the one bitching about international companies, like it actually matters. mrmustwindebateatallcosts said:
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 7, 2015 0:31:32 GMT
2 things for one, the top of the second division in the premier league as we're in right now is the difference between being able to win enough games to stay up, and being able to consistently break teams down who come to defend. Once relegation fears are out of the window, this is by far the biggest difference in the premier league hierarchy and exactly what we haven't done consistently this season, because the players who can do it 8 or 9 times out of 10 games are very, very hard to come by. We can (and do) moan about losing to Leicester and Villa at home this season when those teams weren't performing well, but its just a matter of maths - we haven't got the matchwinners who are consistently matchwinners, and some games we WILL lose like this, same as the other teams in our position. secondly, there's regression to the mean. The "job" of the top middle tier premier league teams is to keep knocking on the door, then kick it down when a team falls out of the top third tier as Everton have done this season. The thing is though, Manu were just as off the boil for a while this season. As were Liverpool. As are Arsenal at some point every season. Its hard work to be a "nearly" team and maintain whats good about the team for season after season without the best parts of it being asset stripped. Southampton MAY finish in the top third this year, but will they grow from that and maintain it next year? For the next 5 years? The teams that are the most hyped get the most fans, and by exactly the same thought processes get the best players. As Manu Liverpool and Arsenal proved, the money / size of the club / whatever you wanna call it ends up finding its level again. This *can* change, but its a lot more likely for a big club to implode then it is for a nearly club to legitimately fight its way up to being one of the big boys on their own merits. Of course every Stoke supporter would love it if we did, but I'd bet the majority of us have more attainable goals in sight - filling the corner in, producing top flight players from our academy, getting into the Europa league... these are the building blocks we'd need to use to build our club before any thoughts of the top 4 could be even entertained, and most will agree with you they're worthy goals in their own right 1 thing. Punctuation. Nobody can read that kid. I managed, it wasn't like it was in welsh.
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