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Post by muglump on Mar 5, 2015 17:42:09 GMT
As a Manchester United fan, we've had our fair share of success, but disappointments too, just like any team. Right now, Stoke are doing pretty well and most fans are pretty content with the situation. What I don't get is the bi-polar nature of most of you. Bi-polar depression is extreme highs and extreme lows and this seems to epitomize most on here. A couple of wins and probably the best position Stoke has achieved so far in the Premiere league and Hughes is the best manager in history, a shoe in for Manager of the year and about to receive a knighthood and sainthood. A couple of weeks ago, Stoke lose to the bitters, which was a likely outcome, and suddenly, the sky is falling & Hughes should have been dragged to the centre spot and beheaded immediately. As much as I like Hughes, I find it unlikely a Manager outside the top 4 is going to receive manager of the month, let alone, manager of the year; that's just the way those nonsense awards work. I especially don't get all the doom and gloom after a loss. You'd think Stoke never lost a game before. Stoke: A perspective free zone. We're football fans, it was ever thus. It's part of the fun
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 17:42:29 GMT
I've been on here for a while and I won't apologize that my club has a history of success, but that doesn't make me a "big glory club supporter", just a supporter. On this board, that's fucking exactly what it makes you. No. That's your blinkered vision of someone you've never met because of their affiliation to a team you have an unhealthy dislike of, based on very little to do with your club.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 5, 2015 17:44:24 GMT
Oh, wait a minute, Manchester United!? I can actually see why other boards are more interesting! Just keep posting!
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 17:44:22 GMT
That's a thread bare correlation. Moyes was sacked because he was failing and I thought it was too soon myself, but I also thought he shouldn't have been the manager in the first place. I don't speak on behalf of the Chairman and I don't agree with everything they do and who they sign, but there was a real crisis at the club after several bad results, not one loss. Furthermore, while a small minority decided to fly anti-Moyes banners from planes, the fans in the stadium started singing "David Moyes red & white army", so it wasn't like the fans turned on him. They kept the faith 'til the end. And you honestly think Stoke fans wanted Hughes hung drawn and quartered after the Manchester City game. Can you not see the rank stupidity in your argument? metaphor [met-uh-fawr, -fer] noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 5, 2015 17:45:49 GMT
That coming from a club who changed their manager not to long ago because they didn't give him time is quite hilarious. That's a thread bare correlation. Moyes was sacked because he was failing and I thought it was too soon myself, but I also thought he shouldn't have been the manager in the first place. I don't speak on behalf of the Chairman and I don't agree with everything they do and who they sign, but there was a real crisis at the club after several bad results, not one loss. Furthermore, while a small minority decided to fly anti-Moyes banners from planes, the fans in the stadium started singing "David Moyes red & white army", so it wasn't like the fans turned on him. They kept the faith 'til the end. Hahaha right... soon as the plastic fanbase as your lot are were seen in public losing several on the trot with that new manager at the helm it was just a minority eh? Hilarious and cute thought but devoid of realility. I know three plastic shit fans from salford who dawned their Liverpool third kit after we beat your lot. If anything your the minority utd fan lol
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 17:46:28 GMT
What I can't understand is that a fan of a football club finds his own messageboard so boring that he/she starts trawling other boards for attention? I've been following this board since Hughes became manager. I've posted what, 2 topics? Damn, I'm an attention whore!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 5, 2015 17:47:58 GMT
And you honestly think Stoke fans wanted Hughes hung drawn and quartered after the Manchester City game. Can you not see the rank stupidity in your argument? metaphor [met-uh-fawr, -fer] noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”. Oh sorry, I thought you were being completely literal. My mistake (Jesus wept) And that doesn't strengthen your 'metaphor riddled' argument one jot does it?
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 5, 2015 17:48:03 GMT
On this board, that's fucking exactly what it makes you. No. That's your blinkered vision of someone you've never met because of their affiliation to a team you have an unhealthy dislike of, based on very little to do with your club. So I was being stereotypical? Re read your opening post.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Mar 5, 2015 17:48:25 GMT
'As a Manchester United fan'
Your English is quite good for a chinaman mate
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 17:49:40 GMT
Oh, wait a minute, Manchester United!? I can actually see why other boards are more interesting! Just keep posting! I'm sorry. I missed the Stoke fans only rule. It must be an unwritten rule that states fans of a team must not visit message boards of other teams, like I'm sure you adhere to?
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Post by slicker on Mar 5, 2015 17:49:52 GMT
"good holiday"? "YEH NOT BAD" "where did you go"? "OATCAKE MESSAGE BOARD".
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 5, 2015 17:51:32 GMT
Oh, wait a minute, Manchester United!? I can actually see why other boards are more interesting! Just keep posting! I'm sorry. I missed the Stoke fans only rule. It must be an unwritten rule that states fans of a team must not visit message boards of other teams, like I'm sure you adhere to? You're quite right, but those supporting Manchester United who post to 'educate' Stoke fans on how to accept defeat will be treated with the utter contempt they deserve.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 17:51:38 GMT
metaphor [met-uh-fawr, -fer] noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”. Oh sorry, I thought you were being completely literal. My mistake (Jesus wept) And that doesn't strengthen your 'metaphor riddled' argument one jot does it? No, you're right. I really did expect fans wanting him to be executed instead of highlighting the doom & gloom that followed the defeat. Now where's that roll eyes winky thing? Oh yes:
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 5, 2015 17:51:58 GMT
What I can't understand is that a fan of a football club finds his own messageboard so boring that he/she starts trawling other boards for attention? I've been following this board since Hughes became manager. I've posted what, 2 topics? Damn, I'm an attention whore! You said it!
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 17:54:20 GMT
I'm sorry. I missed the Stoke fans only rule. It must be an unwritten rule that states fans of a team must not visit message boards of other teams, like I'm sure you adhere to? You're quite right, but those supporting Manchester United who post to 'educate' Stoke fans on how to accept defeat will be treated with the utter contempt they deserve. "I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other.
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 5, 2015 17:56:46 GMT
Listen mate, part of the cost of being a glory hunter (apart from donating your soul to the devil and bring part of the demise of the clubs around you that you ignore) is that proper fans will have no respect for you.
If a palace fan, a forest fan or whatever came on, there would be a discussion, but your a man Utd fan. Like I said earlier, phone up talk sport or tweet MOTD.
Don't come on here pretending we're all fans together.
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 5, 2015 17:56:51 GMT
You're quite right, but those supporting Manchester United who post to 'educate' Stoke fans on how to accept defeat will be treated with the utter contempt they deserve. "I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other. It's because they are real fans...
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Post by vantheman on Mar 5, 2015 18:00:21 GMT
As a born and bred Stoke fan I am used to some serious ups and downs of supporting my club so need no advice from anyone, in particular a manc, and I a have bi polar so bugger off
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 5, 2015 18:02:38 GMT
You're quite right, but those supporting Manchester United who post to 'educate' Stoke fans on how to accept defeat will be treated with the utter contempt they deserve. "I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other. With respect...that's bollocks. You (metaphorically or otherwise) suggest that Stoke fans lurch from great highs when they win to wanting the manager executed when they lose to the Premier League Champions with no evidence whatsoever save some fans moaning on a message board about a performance or the mistakes a manager might have made during that game. That is how message boards operate and they are there for fans to vent their spleen or to go overboard in praise. It happens at every club and Stoke City are no different to any other. NOT ONE PERSON came on here and wanted Hughes executed (even metaphorically) after the Manchester City game and most thought we played well for much of that game. Your whole argument is complete bollocks and you DID (in a later post) go on to advise Stoke fans about accepting defeat. You really couldn't make it up. And you're surprised at the reaction???
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 5, 2015 18:05:27 GMT
"I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other. It's because they are real fans... This really. But the opening poster really doesn't deserve some of the dogs abuse he is getting on here.
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Post by stokiesteve on Mar 5, 2015 18:08:32 GMT
You're quite right, but those supporting Manchester United who post to 'educate' Stoke fans on how to accept defeat will be treated with the utter contempt they deserve. "I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other. To be honest you make a fair point and those who disagree on here probably need to rethink. The simple fact is though supporting a club like Stoke is about extreme views due to the passion and the anxiety of possibly losing the thread and, like many similar clubs to us in the premier league, losing it all with one mad season. We happen to live in a city that is struggling more than many others and our football club means a lot to us. I am not sure why you have decided to post this on here because you could have posted it on any of the non top seven clubs websites. Perhaps you have a soft spot for us? To be honest, unlike other fans on here I don't dislike any other team in the premier league I only dislike individuals or certain supporters but United aren't among my personal dislikes. But the simple fact is a lot of people on here don't like United and I think that is because you are perceived, regardless of any link's that you are supported by the television and slippers brigade and nothing is worse than some idiot telling you they have supported United all their lives and the reason is 'its the first team I watched on telly' or 'my dad liked them'. It really is pitiful. If you are genuinely a local and have followed them all your life we shouldn't really have a problem with you on here. But shit fan will probably always be the measure of United fans to us as most people we come into contact with who 'support' United are knobs and, yes you guessed it 'shit' fans. Thanks for your observations, but look around a bit and you will see we aren't much different to any other medium sized club knocking around the premier league.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 18:09:05 GMT
Listen mate, part of the cost of being a glory hunter (apart from donating your soul to the devil and bring part of the demise of the clubs around you that you ignore) is that proper fans will have no respect for you. If a palace fan, a forest fan or whatever came on, there would be a discussion, but your a man Utd fan. Like I said earlier, phone up talk sport or tweet MOTD. Don't come on here pretending we're all fans together. So, by your definition, Manchester United fans didn't exist between 1967 & 1992?
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Post by stokemanusa on Mar 5, 2015 18:10:57 GMT
It's because they are real fans... This really. But the opening poster really doesn't deserve some of the dogs abuse he is getting on here. No, but it's like a child walking into the middle of a porno movie. A bit innocence and a bit due of an awakening. If i meet a fan wearing a norwich, burnley, hull or even Crystal Palace kit in the US I try to talk to them because they are passionate and swing from one spectrum to the other. They get it. When I see crowds of US spurs, arsenal, man utd, man city, and liverpool fans with no connection to thier teams area or past, I kinda feel sorry because they don't have the swings we lot get... They toss managers out like hotcakes and ruin thier own chances. If anything following a minnow from bottom to top is anything but glory hunting.
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Post by hartzchoco on Mar 5, 2015 18:11:27 GMT
It's because they are real fans... This really. But the opening poster really doesn't deserve some of the dogs abuse he is getting on here. Well, I guess it was bound to happen at some point...... for the first time, I disagree with you.
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 18:17:03 GMT
"I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other. With respect...that's bollocks. You (metaphorically or otherwise) suggest that Stoke fans lurch from great highs when they win to wanting the manager executed when they lose to the Premier League Champions with no evidence whatsoever save some fans moaning on a message board about a performance or the mistakes a manager might have made during that game. That is how message boards operate and they are there for fans to vent their spleen or to go overboard in praise. It happens at every club and Stoke City are no different to any other. NOT ONE PERSON came on here and wanted Hughes executed (even metaphorically) after the Manchester City game and most thought we played well for much of that game. Your whole argument is complete bollocks and you DID (in a later post) go on to advise Stoke fans about accepting defeat. You really couldn't make it up. And you're surprised at the reaction??? Yes, I did state that many Stoke fans seem to go from 1 extreme to another and that's what I don't understand. You are singling out the one example I made, which was just that, an example. I'm pretty sure the Blackburn defeat was even more pessimistic than that too. You're focusing on the scale of a metaphor, relative to one example, instead of taking the post as a whole to see what question was based on. It's like me saying rap music is generally shite and you respond that, that's bollocks because there's 1 rap 'song' you quite like.
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 5, 2015 18:19:37 GMT
God this is possibly the saddest thread I have ever read. ?
I am no fan of MU, but even so they must have some real supporters who are allowed to express an oppinion, or even open up a debate of opinions.
I was lucky enough to see, as a Boothen Ender, the team of the 60/70 inc Law, a Best and Charlton etc.
Today it brasses me off to
hear of so called MU fans, who if you ask them have never been to Old Trafford, or if you ask them who they are playing next week don't know!!
Never the less you may not like or agree but third is no need for such aggression.
Tin hat on!
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 5, 2015 18:21:12 GMT
As a Manchester United fan, we've had our fair share of success, but disappointments too, just like any team. Right now, Stoke are doing pretty well and most fans are pretty content with the situation. What I don't get is the bi-polar nature of most of you. Bi-polar depression is extreme highs and extreme lows and this seems to epitomize most on here. A couple of wins and probably the best position Stoke has achieved so far in the Premiere league and Hughes is the best manager in history, a shoe in for Manager of the year and about to receive a knighthood and sainthood. A couple of weeks ago, Stoke lose to the bitters, which was a likely outcome, and suddenly, the sky is falling & Hughes should have been dragged to the centre spot and beheaded immediately. As much as I like Hughes, I find it unlikely a Manager outside the top 4 is going to receive manager of the month, let alone, manager of the year; that's just the way those nonsense awards work. I especially don't get all the doom and gloom after a loss. You'd think Stoke never lost a game before. Stoke: A perspective free zone. With all due respect mate your definition of disappointment differs wildly from ours . Stoke fans are paranoid for a very good reason . Your most recent failure was a season without a trophy or champoins league football , or most recently wasting £150 million quid on some dubious trophy signings . Try playing at Oldham or Wrexham for a couple of decades
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Post by manumasochist on Mar 5, 2015 18:22:46 GMT
"I can't work you Stoke fans out." is more of a request for information than to educate. I was observing why I cannot work out why you go from 1 extreme to the other. To be honest you make a fair point and those who disagree on here probably need to rethink. The simple fact is though supporting a club like Stoke is about extreme views due to the passion and the anxiety of possibly losing the thread and, like many similar clubs to us in the premier league, losing it all with one mad season. We happen to live in a city that is struggling more than many others and our football club means a lot to us. I am not sure why you have decided to post this on here because you could have posted it on any of the non top seven clubs websites. Perhaps you have a soft spot for us? To be honest, unlike other fans on here I don't dislike any other team in the premier league I only dislike individuals or certain supporters but United aren't among my personal dislikes. But the simple fact is a lot of people on here don't like United and I think that is because you are perceived, regardless of any link's that you are supported by the television and slippers brigade and nothing is worse than some idiot telling you they have supported United all their lives and the reason is 'its the first team I watched on telly' or 'my dad liked them'. It really is pitiful. If you are genuinely a local and have followed them all your life we shouldn't really have a problem with you on here. But shit fan will probably always be the measure of United fans to us as most people we come into contact with who 'support' United are knobs and, yes you guessed it 'shit' fans. Thanks for your observations, but look around a bit and you will see we aren't much different to any other medium sized club knocking around the premier league. Thanks for the measured response and yes I was born in Harpurhey, lived in Stockport, Salford, Bury ... I've been a United fan since childhood and went to games whenever I could. We do exist!
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Post by nott1 on Mar 5, 2015 18:23:20 GMT
Whereabouts in Hong Kong do you live?
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Post by jarhead on Mar 5, 2015 18:26:54 GMT
Just an FYi to those spitting their dummies out. I wasn't trolling, but Stoke fans do seem to go from one extreme to the other, based solely on the last game. I appreciate you might not care for a Man United fans opinion, but I mentioned that to indicate I'm a 3rd party observer. I don't hate Stoke like you do, my team. In fact, I quite like Stoke, regardless of what you think of me and my team. Mate, you just have to accept that followers of a club like Stoke are not going to take advice, or criticism from a follower of Manchester United when it comes to the 'ups and downs' of following you local football team. Manchester United don't have ups and downs just 'Ups and not quite so ups'. We're like every other club and have extremes of views on both side of any argument. I can assure you that there was no mass dissatisfaction following the Man City game because we were the better team for half of that game and (as you say) we might expect to get beat by them. We are on a fantastic run on a great season for us, despite crazy injury problems all season and the only REAL downer was the hammering we took at Blackburn at which (quite rightly) most were pissed off. That has been the low point of an otherwise brilliant season for us and our support are almost entirely united on that. I really do struggle to see your point and I think you (as with most Manchester United fans that comment) struggle to understand clubs like Stoke City and their fans. THAT is one of the reasons why your club is so loathed. Superb
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