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Post by discokaraoke on Mar 2, 2015 19:52:36 GMT
Why, has he been arrested for rape? Sex with an under 16 year old is statutory rape. Rubbish ! Consenting sex with someone under 16 is unlawful, rape on the other hand is a different kettle of fish.
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Post by viewfrominside on Mar 2, 2015 19:53:15 GMT
well that was a bit childish adam
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Post by MrFlirty on Mar 2, 2015 19:54:14 GMT
If they met in a nightclub where you have to be 18 to get in you would assume she was 18. So the club would be in trouble. If he met her at toys r us then it's a different story
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:59:37 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty
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Post by onionman on Mar 2, 2015 20:05:17 GMT
The problem is, it's hard to make a 15 year old look 18. So where was the common sense? It's hard for a 15 year old lad to look 18, but girls can manage it easily with a bit of make-up etc. Indeed, if any woman had picked me up in a bar when I was that age, she would have initially been arrested on suspicion of doing bad stuff with an 11-year-old.
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Post by moaty on Mar 2, 2015 20:06:24 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty Personally i agree. However, in this day and age theres no such thing anymore. As soon as social media get hold of it - its game over either way
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 2, 2015 20:09:06 GMT
i2.cdnds.net/12/42/618x873/realitytv_the_x_factor_2010_3.jpgWhilst being 16 at the time, you wouldn't have found many getting the correct answer in a guess the age competition. Girls can look much older. Changes in society and technology have lead to girls of a young age making every effort to look older to look more appealing, to get more 'likes' on facebook.
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Post by Waggy on Mar 2, 2015 20:14:15 GMT
The problem is, it's hard to make a 15 year old look 18. So where was the common sense? It's hard for a 15 year old lad to look 18, but girls can manage it easily with a bit of make-up etc. When i was 15 people used to say " colin you are like a 50 year old in a young mans body" now they say " colin your like a 50 year old with a middle age head" not quite how to take these comments. Im only just over mid 30's .
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Post by salopstick on Mar 2, 2015 20:29:01 GMT
Released on bail
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 2, 2015 20:29:07 GMT
It's hard for a 15 year old lad to look 18, but girls can manage it easily with a bit of make-up etc. When i was 15 people used to say " colin you are like a 50 year old in a young mans body" now they say " colin your like a 50 year old with a middle age head" not quite how to take these comments. Im only just over mid 30's . How old is Trevor?
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Post by werrington on Mar 2, 2015 20:42:25 GMT
Released on bail
It could well be that he's been stitched up here and people need to bare that in mind
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Post by southcranford on Mar 2, 2015 20:44:33 GMT
Mate, 16 is the line and we've had the rule in place for a long time, and for me, it's there to protect young girls and boys from harm. Whether it's arbitrary or not, is up to those in the law. You'll find that 15 year olds who turn 16 while their girlfriend is 15 and continue to have sex, are almost NEVER prosecuted for it. So there you go, the arbitrary line in that case isn't so set in stone is it. This is a 27 year old man, potentially shagging a 15 year old girl... I know Liam did it, and to be fair, I always thought it was pretty sickening when people used to joke about it while he played for us, but by law, he did nothing wrong, whether that's morally acceptable or not isn't up to me is it? Legally its not up to you to argue, morally its up to everyone's personal opinion - like I said I think an adult man with a 16 year old girl is bad whether its legal or not, and a 15 year old is obviously worse. It just seemed like you were taking the previous comment you'd replied to personally, and was giving a different perspective on it. Again, I'm not supporting Johnson here, I'm more bracing myself for the kind of black and white thinking that lead to pages in papers like this: Can anyone else spot the hypocrisy in this paper...dunno what shit rag it is, but they're lambasting Brass Eye (which was genius BTW) whilst on the opposite page blatantly sexualising a 15 year old girl!!!!
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Post by Billybigbollox on Mar 2, 2015 21:05:02 GMT
It's hard for a 15 year old lad to look 18, but girls can manage it easily with a bit of make-up etc. When i was 15 people used to say " colin you are like a 50 year old in a young mans body" now they say " colin your like a 50 year old with a middle age head" not quite how to take these comments. Im only just over mid 30's . You're only as old as the woman you feel Waggy. I'm not sure that Trevor would agree entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 21:28:33 GMT
Sex with an under 16 year old is statutory rape. Rubbish ! Consenting sex with someone under 16 is unlawful, rape on the other hand is a different kettle of fish. statutory rape is the legal name for the offence of having sex with a girl under the age of 16 even if she consents mate.i appreciate that the connotation makes it sound worse but it is the legal term
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Post by Waggy on Mar 2, 2015 21:43:07 GMT
When i was 15 people used to say " colin you are like a 50 year old in a young mans body" now they say " colin your like a 50 year old with a middle age head" not quite how to take these comments. Im only just over mid 30's . How old is Trevor? Trevor is 39
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Post by mark71 on Mar 2, 2015 21:47:46 GMT
We don't know what happened. For all anyone knows he could've met this girl in an over 18s/21s nightclub and she was tarted up to look older than she is and was using fake ID. He wouldn't be the first guy to pull an underage girl in those circumstances, and he most definitely won't be the last. Something that also hasn't been said, perhaps he didn't do it and the acuser made the whole thing up. Hopefully justice will prevail and the truth will come out. One thing is for sure though, his career, reputation and life have been irreparably damaged.
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Post by cozmick on Mar 2, 2015 21:52:27 GMT
What the fuck, Sunderland message board is banning people for speaking about it :/
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Post by haway on Mar 2, 2015 22:04:15 GMT
Yep, released on bail If he isn't charged and cleared, then I'd gladly welcome him back at the club with open arms...however if he is guilty, he needs locking up. What the fuck, Sunderland message board is banning people for speaking about it :/ Depends what people are saying, have to be careful what you say in these scenarios
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Post by draytonstokie on Mar 3, 2015 12:41:34 GMT
I had not realised that Teresa May has been doing such a terrific job. Only arrested yesterday, if you look how many of the papers have the story headlining on their front pages, you would think he had been charged convicted and sentenced talk about being innocent until PROVED guilty.
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Post by jmst4 on Mar 3, 2015 14:18:02 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty Under the basic principles of English law: every man is innocent until speculated guilty.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 3, 2015 14:33:19 GMT
How long before Jean "Oh look, another rape accusation, let's find him guilty via Twitter, but I assure you, I aren't doing it for the publicity and if you say that I am, you're a female hating, rape apologist cunt" Hatchet comes out and starts with her vitriolic bollocks on the BBC.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 3, 2015 14:45:06 GMT
Bailed til 18th March, which is quite a short time
Just speculating but that says to me the case is pretty much cut and dry and the facts are established on both sides.
Either there is a case to answer or the circumstances dictate he didn't know
He will just be just as concerned what his girlfriend who has just given birth and her family have to say
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Post by metalhead on Mar 3, 2015 15:08:05 GMT
Bailed til 18th March, which is quite a short time Just speculating but that says to me the case is pretty much cut and dry and the facts are established on both sides. Either there is a case to answer or the circumstances dictate he didn't know He will just be just as concerned what his girlfriend who has just given birth and her family have to say Well, he will have to live with that. His girlfriend may not be as forgiving as Ched Evan's was.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 3, 2015 15:23:03 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty Bollox to that - off with his knackers !!! AXE AXE AXE AXE !
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Post by snapper23 on Mar 4, 2015 13:33:11 GMT
Bailed til 18th March, which is quite a short time Just speculating but that says to me the case is pretty much cut and dry and the facts are established on both sides. Either there is a case to answer or the circumstances dictate he didn't know He will just be just as concerned what his girlfriend who has just given birth and her family have to say Intermediate Police bail is perfectly common. The prosecution just need more time to assess the evidence. No one should assume guilt or innocence at this point. If they had enough evidence he would have been charged Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Mar 4, 2015 15:43:31 GMT
Bailed til 18th March, which is quite a short time Just speculating but that says to me the case is pretty much cut and dry and the facts are established on both sides. Either there is a case to answer or the circumstances dictate he didn't know He will just be just as concerned what his girlfriend who has just given birth and her family have to say If the case is dropped, AJ will only miss one more game!
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Post by jeycov on Mar 4, 2015 15:50:09 GMT
Bailed til 18th March, which is quite a short time Just speculating but that says to me the case is pretty much cut and dry and the facts are established on both sides. Either there is a case to answer or the circumstances dictate he didn't know He will just be just as concerned what his girlfriend who has just given birth and her family have to say Intermediate Police bail is perfectly common. The prosecution just need more time to assess the evidence. No one should assume guilt or innocence at this point. If they had enough evidence he would have been charged Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards And until that outcome is confirmed, both Johnson and the girl involved should not have been named
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Post by metalhead on Mar 4, 2015 15:51:16 GMT
Bailed til 18th March, which is quite a short time Just speculating but that says to me the case is pretty much cut and dry and the facts are established on both sides. Either there is a case to answer or the circumstances dictate he didn't know He will just be just as concerned what his girlfriend who has just given birth and her family have to say Intermediate Police bail is perfectly common. The prosecution just need more time to assess the evidence. No one should assume guilt or innocence at this point. If they had enough evidence he would have been charged Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards He hasn't been released yet...
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 4, 2015 15:58:07 GMT
Bearing in mind what some said on here about how badly Evans was treated, I accept that Johnson is certainly innocent until proven guilty as long as they accept that Evans is guilty, having been proved guilty. Sadly, Evans still doesn't accept that.
I absolutely agree with 'benefit of the doubt' in all cases until the case is proven.
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Post by thestokielad on Mar 4, 2015 17:16:06 GMT
He probably had no idea she was 14 but he deserves this for cheating on his girlfriend
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