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Post by jezzascfc on Mar 2, 2015 18:59:07 GMT
Graham Rix got 12 months in gaol for the same offence, and Chelsea gave him his job back afterwards (albeit for a short while before a change of manager led to his being replaced), and he managed Pompey, Oxford and Hearts after that.
I am not sure, post-Ched Evans, if Johnson, if found guilty, would have the same success in reigniting his career.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 18:59:23 GMT
13 even mate and that's in Europe. I see ISIS have set it at 9. But all this is irrelevant. You can't look around the world and pick and choose where to pitch the line when you are in this country. The law in the UK says the line is set at 16 and any adult who can't manage to stay on the right side of it, deserves whatever grief he (or she) gets. So one second ago you were a child. The next second you are an adult. And woy be tide if you don't know the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 18:59:55 GMT
His transfer value has just dropped from £5 million to a fiver .....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2015 19:00:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:02:30 GMT
I see ISIS have set it at 9. But all this is irrelevant. You can't look around the world and pick and choose where to pitch the line when you are in this country. The law in the UK says the line is set at 16 and any adult who can't manage to stay on the right side of it, deserves whatever grief he (or she) gets. So one second ago you were a child. The next second you are an adult. And woy be tide if you don't know the difference. Yes ....the best thing to do is ask , and if you suspect that they are lying but continue , then you still commit the offence. Ignorance does not work .
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2015 19:02:42 GMT
Hypothetically, if such an incident took place, you've got almost no chance of it holding up in court. For one, you'd have to prove the actual time that intercourse took place. Imagine doing that eh? You really think one of them knows the exact moment in which... well, it went in there? Come on mate, be serious. I'll be very surprised if that was the case buddy. Like I said it is hypothetical, but it could happen under UK law, and probably does in practice every weekend. The law is an ass, and this country is on its knees. It's there to prevent 13 year old girls and boys who are barely old enough to understand the mechanics behind it, getting taken advantage of by disgusting human beings.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 19:03:53 GMT
That is just totally bad taste and needs to be withdrawn.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2015 19:04:30 GMT
That is just totally bad taste and needs to be withdrawn. Look when he tweeted it numb nuts!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 2, 2015 19:06:24 GMT
This releasing of his name before any sort of trial is crazy - how is he ever going to get a fair hearing. The media love a great "potential" rapist story - his life is over however it pans out now.......far cry from the "cannot be named for legal reasons" malarkey when it's "others" deemed worthy of anonymity.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 19:06:47 GMT
I could't care less numb nuts.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 2, 2015 19:06:53 GMT
I see ISIS have set it at 9. But all this is irrelevant. You can't look around the world and pick and choose where to pitch the line when you are in this country. The law in the UK says the line is set at 16 and any adult who can't manage to stay on the right side of it, deserves whatever grief he (or she) gets. So one second ago you were a child. The next second you are an adult. And woy be tide if you don't know the difference. I don't know what Woy has to do with it! But, yes, one day someone is a child and the next day they are an adult. And it is up to every adult to do their best to stay on the right side of the line. Better to have the law written in simple terms like that. How would you write the law? Do what seems ok to you at the time and don't worry about their age? I don't think so!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2015 19:07:20 GMT
I could't care less numb nuts. You need a sense of humour bypass then!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:07:33 GMT
Hypothetically, if such an incident took place, you've got almost no chance of it holding up in court. For one, you'd have to prove the actual time that intercourse took place. Imagine doing that eh? You really think one of them knows the exact moment in which... well, it went in there? Come on mate, be serious. I'll be very surprised if that was the case buddy. Like I said it is hypothetical, but it could happen under UK law, and probably does in practice every weekend. The law is an ass, and this country is on its knees. If you want a proper example of the law being an ass then consider this. You are 17, your missus is 17. You have full sexual intercourse, every hole, every position. All night. You commit no criminal offence. During the passion you take a photo of your naked girlfriend and keep it. Boom you are guilty of possessing and creating an indecent image of a child!! As pictures, videos etc the person has to be 18 or over!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:12:27 GMT
That is just totally bad taste and needs to be withdrawn. That's what Pulis' football drove me to in 2011. In all seriousness, it was 2011. I can't predict the future. Shit like this gets dug up all the time and gets taken out of context.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 19:15:27 GMT
I could't care less numb nuts. You need a sense of humour bypass then! Fair enough
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 2, 2015 19:16:44 GMT
There's a lot depending on circumstances here as to the severity of the consequences.
If he knew she was 15 and just shagged her anyway then he deserves some sort of punishment and yeah, it's probably football career over . If he pulled her in a nightclub and thought she was older then it's a different kettle of fish.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 19:18:30 GMT
Devils advocate here, but look at it the other way - she could have been 15 years and 360 days old, 5 days short of her 16th birthday when she'd become "legal" and we wouldn't hear anything about it. Liam Lawrence was known to have double teamed a 16 year old girl when he was at Sunderland, if not for the arbitrary line drawn in the sand at being 5840 days old is that any better* *obviously pending the details of this Just to be clear I'm not sticking up for Johnson here, 16 is fine for other teenagers but no man over 20 should be doing anything with a girl that young (as in 16) imo. In the face of a tabloid bait story like this though, where they're all gonna be wanking themselves into a morally dubious repressed frenzy, I think its best not to rise to the obvious bait Mate, 16 is the line and we've had the rule in place for a long time, and for me, it's there to protect young girls and boys from harm. Whether it's arbitrary or not, is up to those in the law. You'll find that 15 year olds who turn 16 while their girlfriend is 15 and continue to have sex, are almost NEVER prosecuted for it. So there you go, the arbitrary line in that case isn't so set in stone is it. This is a 27 year old man, potentially shagging a 15 year old girl... I know Liam did it, and to be fair, I always thought it was pretty sickening when people used to joke about it while he played for us, but by law, he did nothing wrong, whether that's morally acceptable or not isn't up to me is it? We don't know the circumstances, but I am truly staggered by the reactions on here.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 19:21:38 GMT
That is just totally bad taste and needs to be withdrawn. That's what Pulis' football drove me to in 2011. In all seriousness, it was 2011. I can't predict the future. Shit like this gets dug up all the time and gets taken out of context. Well have a word with yourself mate. And let Pulis go
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Post by whereami on Mar 2, 2015 19:23:43 GMT
Devils advocate here, but look at it the other way - she could have been 15 years and 360 days old, 5 days short of her 16th birthday when she'd become "legal" and we wouldn't hear anything about it. Liam Lawrence was known to have double teamed a 16 year old girl when he was at Sunderland, if not for the arbitrary line drawn in the sand at being 5840 days old is that any better* *obviously pending the details of this Just to be clear I'm not sticking up for Johnson here, 16 is fine for other teenagers but no man over 20 should be doing anything with a girl that young (as in 16) imo. In the face of a tabloid bait story like this though, where they're all gonna be wanking themselves into a morally dubious repressed frenzy, I think its best not to rise to the obvious bait Mate, 16 is the line and we've had the rule in place for a long time, and for me, it's there to protect young girls and boys from harm. Whether it's arbitrary or not, is up to those in the law. You'll find that 15 year olds who turn 16 while their girlfriend is 15 and continue to have sex, are almost NEVER prosecuted for it. So there you go, the arbitrary line in that case isn't so set in stone is it. This is a 27 year old man, potentially shagging a 15 year old girl... I know Liam did it, and to be fair, I always thought it was pretty sickening when people used to joke about it while he played for us, but by law, he did nothing wrong, whether that's morally acceptable or not isn't up to me is it? Legally its not up to you to argue, morally its up to everyone's personal opinion - like I said I think an adult man with a 16 year old girl is bad whether its legal or not, and a 15 year old is obviously worse. It just seemed like you were taking the previous comment you'd replied to personally, and was giving a different perspective on it. Again, I'm not supporting Johnson here, I'm more bracing myself for the kind of black and white thinking that lead to pages in papers like this:
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2015 19:24:25 GMT
Mate, 16 is the line and we've had the rule in place for a long time, and for me, it's there to protect young girls and boys from harm. Whether it's arbitrary or not, is up to those in the law. You'll find that 15 year olds who turn 16 while their girlfriend is 15 and continue to have sex, are almost NEVER prosecuted for it. So there you go, the arbitrary line in that case isn't so set in stone is it. This is a 27 year old man, potentially shagging a 15 year old girl... I know Liam did it, and to be fair, I always thought it was pretty sickening when people used to joke about it while he played for us, but by law, he did nothing wrong, whether that's morally acceptable or not isn't up to me is it? We don't know the circumstances, but I am truly staggered by the reactions on here. I defended ched Evans more than anyone on thks forum so don't jump to the conclusion that I'm being a do gooder.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 2, 2015 19:25:27 GMT
Adam Johnson always struck me as a bit of a cunt so this doesn't surprise me.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Mar 2, 2015 19:29:18 GMT
We don't know the circumstances, but I am truly staggered by the reactions on here. I defended ched Evans more than anyone on thks forum so don't jump to the conclusion that I'm being a do gooder. I'm not mate I put my defence against that as well.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 2, 2015 19:30:00 GMT
I see ISIS have set it at 9. But all this is irrelevant. You can't look around the world and pick and choose where to pitch the line when you are in this country. The law in the UK says the line is set at 16 and any adult who can't manage to stay on the right side of it, deserves whatever grief he (or she) gets. So one second ago you were a child. The next second you are an adult. And woy be tide if you don't know the difference. So what do you suggest then?
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Post by Billybigbollox on Mar 2, 2015 19:31:34 GMT
I wish I had your staying power, billy Under UK law, according to those who know on here, you would be a rapist. With Some of the old crones I've been with there's more chance of me not consenting than them to be honest. Wayne Rooney prefers younger women than me.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2015 19:31:33 GMT
I defended ched Evans more than anyone on thks forum so don't jump to the conclusion that I'm being a do gooder. I'm not mate I put my defence against that as well. Really, we don't know the circumstances. Lots of insinuation and no real facts. I guess the best thing we can do is wait for the police to release information.
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Post by Boothen on Mar 2, 2015 19:33:10 GMT
We don't know what happened. For all anyone knows he could've met this girl in an over 18s/21s nightclub and she was tarted up to look older than she is and was using fake ID. He wouldn't be the first guy to pull an underage girl in those circumstances, and he most definitely won't be the last.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2015 19:34:48 GMT
We don't know what happened. For all anyone knows he could've met this girl in an over 18s/21s nightclub and she was tarted up to look older than she is and was using fake ID. The problem is, it's hard to make a 15 year old look 18. So where was the common sense?
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Post by snapper23 on Mar 2, 2015 19:37:22 GMT
Yeah - I think "statutory rape" is an American term. In the UK, if you have sex with someone under 16 but over 13 which is consensual I believe it's the offence of sexual activity with a child. Probably irrelevant semantics for these purposes though. Speaking as a qualified lawyer of some 30 years, yup you are right on both counts. Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Ayupshag on Mar 2, 2015 19:42:06 GMT
We don't know what happened. For all anyone knows he could've met this girl in an over 18s/21s nightclub and she was tarted up to look older than she is and was using fake ID. The problem is, it's hard to make a 15 year old look 18. So where was the common sense? It's not tho is it? It's much easier these days for teenagers to look a lot older. They've changed from how they were. Evolution has made it happen. Now I'm not defending what he's done, but if he has pulled her in a nightclub he's hardly going to ask every girl he speaks to in the club how old she is is he? If on the other hand he's a secret paedo then cut the fuckers balls off
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 2, 2015 19:44:39 GMT
We don't know what happened. For all anyone knows he could've met this girl in an over 18s/21s nightclub and she was tarted up to look older than she is and was using fake ID. The problem is, it's hard to make a 15 year old look 18. So where was the common sense? It's hard for a 15 year old lad to look 18, but girls can manage it easily with a bit of make-up etc.
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