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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 7:53:58 GMT
I stand corrected. My understanding was that Magnus and Gislason had tired of Pulis. I'm just grateful that Kaupthing are not our bankers. Anyway I think BristolMick is still off the mark. Some people's ridiculous criticism of Hughes after one result is little to do with Pulis lovers and more to do with the intolerance of modern football supporters, many of whom I suspect weren't with us during the wilderness years. But talk about bearing a grudge, let it go BM, you sound bitter and twisted. I could buy that if the intolerance wasn't coming from the same people who'd tolerate any old shit under the previous regime and tell us how ungrateful anyone who even dared to question it was. Even when it was clearly going massively downhill.
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 28, 2015 8:08:15 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle. It amazes me that fans are having a go at other fans for having a pop at the manager. Who wouldn't have been annoyed at Hughes after Blackburn? It's perfectly normal to react like that. Our fans are weirdos though as they seem to think that people having a pop at hughes immediately means you must "want Pulis back!" or "don't give him any credit for getting us to where we are". Of course you can give him credit for the big picture but have a pop at him after a diabolical performance. Get a grip.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 8:16:47 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle. It amazes me that fans are having a go at other fans for having a pop at the manager. Who wouldn't have been annoyed at Hughes after Blackburn? It's perfectly normal to react like that. Our fans are weirdos though as they seem to think that people having a pop at hughes immediately means you must "want Pulis back!" or "don't give him any credit for getting us to where we are". Of course you can give him credit for the big picture but have a pop at him after a diabolical performance. Get a grip. The point is that in some cases it went way OTT. It was a bitterly disappointing display and result but the fact is, overall there's an avalanche of things to be positive about and people shouldn't lose sight of that.
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 28, 2015 8:20:05 GMT
It amazes me that fans are having a go at other fans for having a pop at the manager. Who wouldn't have been annoyed at Hughes after Blackburn? It's perfectly normal to react like that. Our fans are weirdos though as they seem to think that people having a pop at hughes immediately means you must "want Pulis back!" or "don't give him any credit for getting us to where we are". Of course you can give him credit for the big picture but have a pop at him after a diabolical performance. Get a grip. The point is that in some cases it went way OTT. It was a bitterly disappointing display and result but the fact is, overall there's an avalanche of things to be positive about and people shouldn't lose sight of that. Exactly. Well put. I just read a post further up that put it succinctly, it is a massive overreaction to a little overreaction. Hope oatcake Hq isn't trying to incite infighting!!!
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2015 8:22:49 GMT
But the fact that criticism went OTT had bugger all to do with TP and peoples opinion of him!!! That's the point you can't seem to fathom - the fact the two things are being related is just mischief making because some sad souls seem to have nothing better to do than try and stir up animosity to a manager who left 2 years ago!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2015 8:26:55 GMT
The thing I don't get is that the reaction to the defeat wasn't even that OTT. Maybe there was the odd maniac spouting nonsense but the reaction in the ground was preety sanguine, people vented for a day or so on here, people were a bit mopish at the missed opportunity for a day or so then it was all eyes on Villa. It's a complete fuss about nothing.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 8:28:13 GMT
But the fact that criticism went OTT had bugger all to do with TP and peoples opinion of him!!! That's the point you can't seem to fathom - the fact the two things are being related is just mischief making because some sad souls seem to have nothing better to do than try and stir up animosity to a manager who left 2 years ago!! It can't not be about him though when a fair few of those who tolerated so much of the bad stuff in those last two seasons are so quick to dish it out to Hughes. We were repeatedly told, when we'd won once in the first four months of 2013, that things weren't that bad, that we were unlucky, that it was only an ungrateful 'turgid 200' that were complaining, that we'd been spoiled. Now from the same quarters, a couple of iffy displays and we're getting the return of 'identity' bollocks, people saying the result would never have happened under Pulis, the misrepresentation that we're signing fancy dan shirkers and can't be arsed to put up a fight. And it's complete manure.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2015 8:35:58 GMT
It's the first sentence that puzzles me - who are these people? I've read precious little that falls into your description. Such people would fit nicely into the agenda of the anti TP brigade but the sad fact is they don't exist in any significant number. It's just an excuse to have the same old boring pop.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2015 8:36:32 GMT
But the fact that criticism went OTT had bugger all to do with TP and peoples opinion of him!!! That's the point you can't seem to fathom - the fact the two things are being related is just mischief making because some sad souls seem to have nothing better to do than try and stir up animosity to a manager who left 2 years ago!! It can't not be about him though when a fair few of those who tolerated so much of the bad stuff in those last two seasons are so quick to dish it out to Hughes. We were repeatedly told, when we'd won once in the first four months of 2013, that things weren't that bad, that we were unlucky, that it was only an ungrateful 'turgid 200' that were complaining, that we'd been spoiled. Now from the same quarters, a couple of iffy displays and we're getting the return of 'identity' bollocks, people saying the result would never have happened under Pulis, the misrepresentation that we're signing fancy dan shirkers and can't be arsed to put up a fight. And it's complete manure. So you disagree with the editorial, Rob, which states that this is not Pulis related?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 8:40:44 GMT
It can't not be about him though when a fair few of those who tolerated so much of the bad stuff in those last two seasons are so quick to dish it out to Hughes. We were repeatedly told, when we'd won once in the first four months of 2013, that things weren't that bad, that we were unlucky, that it was only an ungrateful 'turgid 200' that were complaining, that we'd been spoiled. Now from the same quarters, a couple of iffy displays and we're getting the return of 'identity' bollocks, people saying the result would never have happened under Pulis, the misrepresentation that we're signing fancy dan shirkers and can't be arsed to put up a fight. And it's complete manure. So you disagree with the editorial, Rob, which states that this is not Pulis related? I think the editorial is spot on in terms of having a pop at the mardarses. I think in some cases I think it absolutely is just about not being able to handle defeat. There are several cases on here specifically and elsewhere though where the change of manager has mysteriously seen their criteria and standards go through the roof, and suddenly we're no longer plucky Stoke City who have to kick bollock and brain just to scrape up every season, and we're a lot less tolerant of poor performances.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 8:42:07 GMT
It's the first sentence that puzzles me - who are these people? I've read precious little that falls into your description. Such people would fit nicely into the agenda of the anti TP brigade but the sad fact is they don't exist in any significant number. It's just an excuse to have the same old boring pop. You yourself are a prime example of this. You wouldn't have it in a million years that the last manager got anything wrong and I've seen you since sagely agreeing and describing as 'common sense' the idea that we're not up for a scrap because we've signed a couple of players from Barca B.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2015 8:48:18 GMT
So you disagree with the editorial, Rob, which states that this is not Pulis related? I think the editorial is spot on in terms of having a pop at the mardarses. I think in some cases I think it absolutely is just about not being able to handle defeat. There are several cases on here specifically and elsewhere though where the change of manager has mysteriously seen their criteria and standards go through the roof, and suddenly we're no longer plucky Stoke City who have to kick bollock and brain just to scrape up every season, and we're a lot less tolerant of poor performances. A 4-1 defeat to an under strength Championship side in front of a huge expectant following is a very 'Stoke' thing to do and the reaction to it was exactly as I've seen under any manager, a storm of piss and wind that burned out pretty quickly. What did you expect the reaction to be 'hard lines chaps, there's always next week and I'm brodaly very positive about the direction of the club'? It's football, it's passionate, there reall is nothing to see here.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2015 8:50:32 GMT
It's the first sentence that puzzles me - who are these people? I've read precious little that falls into your description. Such people would fit nicely into the agenda of the anti TP brigade but the sad fact is they don't exist in any significant number. It's just an excuse to have the same old boring pop. You yourself are a prime example of this. You wouldn't have it in a million years that the last manager got anything wrong and I've seen you since sagely agreeing and describing as 'common sense' the idea that we're not up for a scrap because we've signed a couple of players from Barca B. Do you not detect a similair hypocrisy on the other side Rob, particularly bearing in mind some of the views previously aired by the opening poster for instance!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 8:54:36 GMT
You yourself are a prime example of this. You wouldn't have it in a million years that the last manager got anything wrong and I've seen you since sagely agreeing and describing as 'common sense' the idea that we're not up for a scrap because we've signed a couple of players from Barca B. Do you not detect a similair hypocrisy on the other side Rob, particularly bearing in mind some of the views previously aired by the opening poster for instance! I certainly think there's some emanating from the usual corners of the messageboard Sheiky, the real acid test of that will come if we have a prolonged downturn and excuses are made that weren't previously afforded. As things stand though, things are for the most part looking up yet there's a few who seem desperate to bring the hammer down at the first opportunity. Which is sad.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 8:55:50 GMT
I think the editorial is spot on in terms of having a pop at the mardarses. I think in some cases I think it absolutely is just about not being able to handle defeat. There are several cases on here specifically and elsewhere though where the change of manager has mysteriously seen their criteria and standards go through the roof, and suddenly we're no longer plucky Stoke City who have to kick bollock and brain just to scrape up every season, and we're a lot less tolerant of poor performances. A 4-1 defeat to an under strength Championship side in front of a huge expectant following is a very 'Stoke' thing to do and the reaction to it was exactly as I've seen under any manager, a storm of piss and wind that burned out pretty quickly. What did you expect the reaction to be 'hard lines chaps, there's always next week and I'm brodaly very positive about the direction of the club'? It's football, it's passionate, there reall is nothing to see here. Perspective is what you'd expect. Terrible result, terrible performance, but I read a fair bit that weekend that was acting as if that performance was reflective of the season.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2015 9:03:50 GMT
Do you not detect a similair hypocrisy on the other side Rob, particularly bearing in mind some of the views previously aired by the opening poster for instance! I certainly think there's some emanating from the usual corners of the messageboard Sheiky, the real acid test of that will come if we have a prolonged downturn and excuses are made that weren't previously afforded. As things stand though, things are for the most part looking up yet there's a few who seem desperate to bring the hammer down at the first opportunity. Which is sad. I think some people (hands up here) are beginning to question our transfer strategy. which has just about worked so far but is starting to look parsimonious and risky. If we do go into a slump I think people will train their guns in that direction. I really do not detect any real anti Hughes sentiment at all, not on here, not at the ground, not in the boozer, I dont think it exists, mate.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 9:08:40 GMT
I certainly think there's some emanating from the usual corners of the messageboard Sheiky, the real acid test of that will come if we have a prolonged downturn and excuses are made that weren't previously afforded. As things stand though, things are for the most part looking up yet there's a few who seem desperate to bring the hammer down at the first opportunity. Which is sad. I think some people (hands up here) are beginning to question our transfer strategy. which has just about worked so far but is starting to look parsimonious and risky. If we do go into a slump I think people will train their guns in that direction. I really do not detect any real anti Hughes sentiment at all, not on here, not at the ground, not in the boozer, I dont think it exists, mate. It's not that kind of stuff for me, which I think is valid, but the 'identity' shit, the 'passion' bollocks, and the 'this would never have happened under' horsespunk, all of which I read more than once in the wake of that weekend.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2015 9:15:58 GMT
Have to say this is a total load of rubbish Rob - you just build this bogey-man image of anyone who defends TP up in your own mind. I have been nothing but an advocate of Mark Hughes since day one - I remember saying that a combination of his personality and our reputation would upset the rest of the Prem big style and happily it's proved to be even better than that. The only criticism I can ever remember making is that our set piece work is sloppy. It's a team game and we need the Barca B stuff and we need the rising through the ranks of Wrexham, Bolton and Bury stuff in equal measure. Look elsewhere for you 'anti-Hughes' sentiment mate - not that you will find much!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 9:25:09 GMT
Have to say this is a total load of rubbish Rob - you just build this bogey-man image of anyone who defends TP up in your own mind. I have been nothing but an advocate of Mark Hughes since day one - I remember saying that a combination of his personality and our reputation would upset the rest of the Prem big style and happily it's proved to be even better than that. The only criticism I can ever remember making is that our set piece work is sloppy. It's a team game and we need the Barca B stuff and we need the rising through the ranks of Wrexham, Bolton and Bury stuff in equal measure. Look elsewhere for you 'anti-Hughes' sentiment mate - not that you will find much! And we've got both of those things. Yet one humiliation is all it takes for people to forget that. That's how quickly the same people who defended shit like that Villa home game are suddenly prepared to question things they wouldn't have done previously. It's pathetic.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2015 9:30:52 GMT
For the record the Blackburn game was a bit of an embarrassment in that we were totally out-thought and enthused by a lower league side (these things happen). The response at Villa was excellent and an absolute testament to the management and players. Simple. There really is nobody lurking in the shadows waiting to jump on Mark Hughes back - he has been superb especially against the background of a dubious transfer policy. Relax!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 9:38:15 GMT
For the record the Blackburn game was a bit of an embarrassment in that we were totally out-thought and enthused by a lower league side (these things happen). The response at Villa was excellent and an absolute testament to the management and players. Simple. There really is nobody lurking in the shadows waiting to jump on Mark Hughes back - he has been superb especially against the background of a dubious transfer policy. Relax! Sorry mate but you just don't see it. A quick squizz back through your posts and you're talking about 'the same old problems', worrying about relegation, talking about 'identity'. That's all fine if you'd been as quick to do that in the past, but you simply would not have it at all that there was any problem whatsoever. What's that about? I'll leave it there but what I will say is, if, God forbid, we lose at the Hawthorns in a fortnight, we'll have a look back at this board that night and you can tell me it's all imaginary then if you like?
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Post by lordb on Feb 28, 2015 9:38:51 GMT
I still think you would have had such a reaction at any time in our history under any manager. Nothing to do with TP or modern football fans.
It was a shockingly bad performance which warranted a good moan. That some took that moaning too far is nothing new whatsoever.
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 28, 2015 9:43:19 GMT
For the record the Blackburn game was a bit of an embarrassment in that we were totally out-thought and enthused by a lower league side (these things happen). The response at Villa was excellent and an absolute testament to the management and players. Simple. There really is nobody lurking in the shadows waiting to jump on Mark Hughes back - he has been superb especially against the background of a dubious transfer policy. Relax! As I said in my opening post Wuzza it is my experience that of the people I know, those that are quickest to give Mark Hughes vicious abuse at any disappointment are the very same people who would defend Pulis to the hilt no matter how bad or outrageous performances, selection and tactics became. These were the same people who were also viscious in their criticism of the people who wanted rid of the previous manager and predicted instant relegation. I was asking whether other people noticed the same traits amongst the people they know. Obviously Rob and others who liked my OP do recognise this amongst their circle of acquaintance so it's fair to say these people do exist. BM
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Post by lordb on Feb 28, 2015 9:46:53 GMT
For the record the Blackburn game was a bit of an embarrassment in that we were totally out-thought and enthused by a lower league side (these things happen). The response at Villa was excellent and an absolute testament to the management and players. Simple. There really is nobody lurking in the shadows waiting to jump on Mark Hughes back - he has been superb especially against the background of a dubious transfer policy. Relax! As I said in my opening post Wuzza it is my experience that of the people I know, those that are quickest to give Mark Hughes vicious abuse at any disappointment are the very same people who would defend Pulis to the hilt no matter how bad or outrageous performances, selection and tactics became. These were the same people who were also viscious in their criticism of the people who wanted rid of the previous manager and predicted instant relegation. I was asking whether other people noticed the same traits amongst the people they know. Obviously Rob and others who liked my OP do recognise this amongst their circle of acquaintance so it's fair to say these people do exist. BM That's not right in my view. Plenty if moaning by people who would have been moaning under TP.
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Post by RAF on Feb 28, 2015 9:49:05 GMT
I certainly think there's some emanating from the usual corners of the messageboard Sheiky, the real acid test of that will come if we have a prolonged downturn and excuses are made that weren't previously afforded. As things stand though, things are for the most part looking up yet there's a few who seem desperate to bring the hammer down at the first opportunity. Which is sad. I think some people (hands up here) are beginning to question our transfer strategy. which has just about worked so far but is starting to look parsimonious and risky. If we do go into a slump I think people will train their guns in that direction. I really do not detect any real anti Hughes sentiment at all, not on here, not at the ground, not in the boozer, I dont think it exists, mate. Beginning? Have a word! H
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2015 9:49:55 GMT
Well you have alerted me to a potential schizophrenia problem I wasn't aware of Rob so I will get that checked!! But seriously I am as happy as Larry with the current management team - end of story.
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 28, 2015 9:51:32 GMT
The Oatcake Mick is a true reflection of a range of Stoke fans, you have not produced the name of one poster who has been either calling for Hughes to go or has been critical of his overall performance as manager.
Your post is all innuendo, without substance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 9:57:25 GMT
Where have I sticked the boot into Pulis on this thread. Carry on making shit up. We are all Pulis fans these days. I think his critics now recognise the job he did in establishing the club in the Prem, while we are all delighted that the club then thanked him for his service before appointing someone who can take us to the next level. His critics ALWAYS recognised the job in establishing us in the Prem, just thought that we should believe in ourselves more. This itself is a huge misconception by one side of the argument who still to this day seem to mistake criticism for lack of appreciation. Exactly the same as others have recently mistaken criticism against a very poor result. There'll always be an odd extreme nutter every now and then, but the vast majority of arguments on here come from a small number of people who drag every single comment in to a rimmer v wankstain argument; and then threads get hijacked and descend in to farce with absolutely no connection at all with the original point that was being made.
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 28, 2015 10:05:37 GMT
The Oatcake Mick is a true reflection of a range of Stoke fans, you have not produced the name of one poster who has been either calling for Hughes to go or has been critical of his overall performance as manager. Your post is all innuendo, without substance. My observations are about people I know. I am not going to be naming people on here because despite our differing opinions about past and present managers they are my friends and we are all Stoke fans. Its a point I am making at a general level not a personal level. So you can stick your innuendo and without substance where the sun doesn't shine. As regards posters on here, there are plenty of examples of the biggest knicker wetters after Blackburn being the staunchest defenders of the previous manager but I have better things to do than go trawling through the aftermath of that. We do also have one clown on here with "Hughes Out" in his Avatar who was the previous King Rimmer. BM
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Post by elystokie on Feb 28, 2015 10:52:42 GMT
Where have I sticked the boot into Pulis on this thread. Carry on making shit up. We are all Pulis fans these days. I think his critics now recognise the job he did in establishing the club in the Prem, while we are all delighted that the club then thanked him for his service before appointing someone who can take us to the next level. "We are all Pulis fans these days" B-| No 'We' are not.
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