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Post by BristolMick on Feb 27, 2015 12:48:48 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle.
So who are these people that are giving the manager no credit, for our highest ever PL finish? No credit for our highest points total in the PL at this stage of the season? No credit for bringing a quality of football that we haven't seen since the days of Waddo? No credit for putting together a team of top class footballers whilst having the lowest net spend in the PL? Who are these people that fail to recognise that we have a manager that has a proven track record of achievement at the highest level often with clubs smaller than us?
The editorial goes on to say that this is not about a previous manager but I think it is. The people I know who are most likely to jump on Hughes at the slightest opportunity were the very same people who would defend the last manager to the hilt no matter how outrageous team selections, tactics and performances became. Has anyone else noticed this within their circle of acquaintances and friends?
BM
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Post by werrington on Feb 27, 2015 12:53:43 GMT
The Premier League has created an element of Stoke support who can't handle disappointing results
It's that simple
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 27, 2015 12:54:40 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle. So who are these people that are giving the manager no credit, for our highest ever PL finish? No credit for our highest points total in the PL at this stage of the season? No credit for bringing a quality of football that we haven't seen since the days of Waddo? No credit for putting together a team of top class footballers whilst having the lowest net spend in the PL? Who are these people that fail to recognise that we have a manager that has a proven track record of achievement at the highest level often with clubs smaller than us? The editorial goes on to say that this is not about a previous manager but I think it is. The people I know who are most likely to jump on Hughes at the slightest opportunity were the very same people who would defend the last manager to the hilt no matter how outrageous team selections, tactics and performances became. Has anyone else noticed this within their circle of acquaintances and friends? BM Let's face it, Mick, you just like the chance to have a rant about Stafford Stokie!  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 27, 2015 12:56:01 GMT
Anyone who can't see the fantastic job that Hughes is doing must be clinically insane.
I was as pissed off as anybody after Blackburn (where I felt he did make a few mistakes for once albeit with a depleted team) but to react after one defeat like that is crazy.
Hughes is the man who has taken us forward and will continue to do so.
Hughsey, Hughsey!
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Post by lordb on Feb 27, 2015 12:58:34 GMT
To be fair there has always been a section of our support (& probably supporters at any club) who would have reacted in the same way.
Yes there will be some who are hung up re TP but for most it's something they would have done/said anyway.
My personal opionion of ther performance at Blackburn was that it was one of the top ten worst I have seen.
It was just the one game though.
I think the support in general is very much behind Hughes.
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Post by larrypotter on Feb 27, 2015 12:59:41 GMT
BristolMick's anti Pulis crap continues. Are you related to Gislason?
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Post by wuzza on Feb 27, 2015 13:03:07 GMT
The OP is both very right and very wrong.
Right Mark Hughes is doing a hell of a job - wrong in that people who loved TP and the work he did for us are not having a pop anymore than anyone else. Thats just the usual devisive paranoid propoganda from the standard sources..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 13:03:45 GMT
We have a history of managers not having much "credit in the bank"
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Post by eddyclamp on Feb 27, 2015 13:03:45 GMT
Not another PHW v Rimmers thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 13:04:16 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle. So who are these people that are giving the manager no credit, for our highest ever PL finish? No credit for our highest points total in the PL at this stage of the season? No credit for bringing a quality of football that we haven't seen since the days of Waddo? No credit for putting together a team of top class footballers whilst having the lowest net spend in the PL? Who are these people that fail to recognise that we have a manager that has a proven track record of achievement at the highest level often with clubs smaller than us? The editorial goes on to say that this is not about a previous manager but I think it is. The people I know who are most likely to jump on Hughes at the slightest opportunity were the very same people who would defend the last manager to the hilt no matter how outrageous team selections, tactics and performances became. Has anyone else noticed this within their circle of acquaintances and friends? BM The editorial comment is spot on, Mick. Football is an emotive sport and it will always draw extreme reactions, especially in light of bitterly disappointing results such as the one we experienced at Blackburn. It's perfectly acceptable to have a rant and lament the shortcomings on the day. Some of the criticism went beyond that though. To dismiss all the good work and progress carried out over the past 18 months under the guidance of Mark Hughes, on the back of 1 result, is absolutely ridiculous. It never seems to change either. Whenever we suffer a defeat it isn't too long before some people are trotting out utter nonsense "all these injuries are the managers fault. He works them too hard/he doesn't work them hard enough (delete as applicable)". Others (still to this day) will refer back to an era that is well and truly in the past. My own opinion and expectation for Hughes when he took the job was for him to keep us in the league for the first 12 months as we went through signifcant transition and change, before pushing on to a top 10 position the following season. The reality has been much better than I, and most others, could've ever hoped! We're in a fantastic position and well on target to beat the record breaking effort of the previous campaign. We've got a completely different calibre of player coming through the door, we play some brilliant stuff at times and we have a squad capable of beating anybody in the league. The likes of Muniesa and Pieters at the back are top drawer additions, not forgetting the likes of Arnie and Moses in attack, who have been simply sublime at times. And then there's Bojan. For all I'm concerned, Mark Hughes can take a sneaky shit in my kettle and I'd still love the bloke forever for bringing Mr Krkic into our lives. Still, given all that, if we fail to beat Hull tomorrow there will be a section of supporters waiting to get the knives out. As another successful Stoke manager famously says, "unbelievable Jeff". |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Feb 27, 2015 13:06:13 GMT
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 27, 2015 13:07:12 GMT
The OP is both very right and very wrong. Right Mark Hughes is doing a hell of a job - wrong in that people who loved TP and the work he did for us are not having a pop anymore than anyone else. Thats just the usual devisive paranoid propoganda from the standard sources.. I think it's fair to say the criteria has suddenly changed in some cases Wuzza. Some people are suddenly a lot less tolerant of poor results and performances than they used to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 13:07:53 GMT
As another successful Stoke manager famously says, "unbelievable Jeff". I assume there is a typo in there somewhere.  |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 27, 2015 13:10:10 GMT
Not another PHW v Rimmers thread. Yes, but this is a PHW v Rimmer's collector's edition as it has been inspired by an Oatcake Fanzine article. Which ever side you are on you have to admit that is a rare event!  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 27, 2015 13:12:36 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle. So who are these people that are giving the manager no credit, for our highest ever PL finish? No credit for our highest points total in the PL at this stage of the season? No credit for bringing a quality of football that we haven't seen since the days of Waddo? No credit for putting together a team of top class footballers whilst having the lowest net spend in the PL? Who are these people that fail to recognise that we have a manager that has a proven track record of achievement at the highest level often with clubs smaller than us? The editorial goes on to say that this is not about a previous manager but I think it is. The people I know who are most likely to jump on Hughes at the slightest opportunity were the very same people who would defend the last manager to the hilt no matter how outrageous team selections, tactics and performances became. Has anyone else noticed this within their circle of acquaintances and friends? BM I too find it laughable that anyone could truly pick fault with Mark Hughes and the job that he is doing at our club. However, everyone knows that the reason Hughes has been able to build a team of top class footballers whilst spending next to nothing is because TP invested his resources so wisely, giving the new manager the chance to progress whilst spending nothing!   |
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Post by wuzza on Feb 27, 2015 13:12:43 GMT
I would suggest that has more to do with how long people have been on the roller coaster ride (some have only been on the upward bit) than anything else.
Fact remains though that this sort of post has one intention only!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2015 13:17:28 GMT
The hypocrisy on this thread know now limits, particularly from the opening poster.
Truly staggering scenes.
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Post by slpmarc on Feb 27, 2015 13:25:12 GMT
Is it not possible to be grateful to TP for what he achieved and be thankful that Hughes has carried on what TP started. Stoke would not be where we are now without both managers input.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 27, 2015 13:30:03 GMT
Anyone who didn't expect "a certain section" of supporters to want to "get their own back" at the slightest blip in fortunes of MH (or even just for the sake of it) was being hopelessly naiive.
And the saddest part is, it will continue probably with the next manager - whenever/whoever that is.
PHW becomes MH Lover, Rimmer becomes HHW. The names change, the agendas do not.
Meanwhile, there's a football club to be supported.....
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Post by mcf on Feb 27, 2015 13:41:56 GMT
The Premier League has created an element of Stoke support who can't handle disappointing results It's that simple This simply isn't true. Many a Stoke fan has always been disappointed to lose but the stakes were raised for many the minute a certain Tony Pulis was the manager. I personally found defeats easier to handle in the Prem because I expected them in a certain number of games. Blackburn was a bad defeat and I can understand the bad reactions but overall I just don't see anyone really having an issue with Hughes. He's done brilliantly. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2015 13:47:25 GMT
The Premier League has created an element of Stoke support who can't handle disappointing results It's that simple I just don't see anyone really having an issue with Hughes. He's done brilliantly. No one has, its completely made up nonsense. We got hammered by a very average Champioinship reserve side. The reaction after match was entirely understandable if a little bit over the top. By the Monday everyone was rightly a bit down but focussing on Villa PRECISELY because of the credit in the bank the Manager AND the players have. Absolutely nothing to see here expect blazing hypocrisy and goalpost being ripped out of the ground and moved a mile or two. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 27, 2015 13:49:34 GMT
For MH to achieve better football, a best PL placing, top Midlands club for the first time ever, on a very small transfer budget is nothing short of miraculous! Perhaps, most of all I like the end of TP's blatant favouritism which had a corrosive effect on team spirit!
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Post by mcf on Feb 27, 2015 13:53:39 GMT
I know most of you won't have seen this yet but the editorial for tomorrow's Oatcake is rightly having a pop at the complete imbeciles who gave Mark Hughes a viscous verbal booting following the embarrassing defeat at Blackburn. One joker apparently rang Radio Stoke to suggest that Hughes was taking us into a relegation battle. So who are these people that are giving the manager no credit, for our highest ever PL finish? No credit for our highest points total in the PL at this stage of the season? No credit for bringing a quality of football that we haven't seen since the days of Waddo? No credit for putting together a team of top class footballers whilst having the lowest net spend in the PL? Who are these people that fail to recognise that we have a manager that has a proven track record of achievement at the highest level often with clubs smaller than us? The editorial goes on to say that this is not about a previous manager but I think it is. The people I know who are most likely to jump on Hughes at the slightest opportunity were the very same people who would defend the last manager to the hilt no matter how outrageous team selections, tactics and performances became. Has anyone else noticed this within their circle of acquaintances and friends? BM I too find it laughable that anyone could truly pick fault with Mark Hughes and the job that he is doing at our club. However, everyone knows that the reason Hughes has been able to build a team of top class footballers whilst spending next to nothing is because TP invested his resources so wisely, giving the new manager the chance to progress whilst spending nothing! Hughes uses more of TP's players than his own. TP bought some great players and a few howlers. Hughes has barely put a foot wrong. Part of the reason why Hughes hasn't had to spend big is because Bego, Shawcross, Wilson, Cameron, Whelan, Nzonzi, Walters, Crouch, Adam have all had a part to play. He's even extending their contracts now. Just accept that TP was great for us just as Hughes is. It couldn't be more win, win.... |
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2015 13:58:18 GMT
The OP is both very right and very wrong. Right Mark Hughes is doing a hell of a job - wrong in that people who loved TP and the work he did for us are not having a pop anymore than anyone else. Thats just the usual devisive paranoid propoganda from the standard sources.. I think it's fair to say the criteria has suddenly changed in some cases Wuzza. Some people are suddenly a lot less tolerant of poor results and performances than they used to be. You are not seriously suggesting that had we rocked up at Championship Blackburn under TP and gone for 4 the reaction would not have been equally as vitriolic? |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 27, 2015 13:59:32 GMT
It's amazing that certain prolific posters are conspicuous by their absence. I wonder why.....
They are no doubt keeping their powder dry and on their prayer mats looking for divine intervention on Mar 14th at the Hawthorns. If it goes their way then look out, they will be revelling in it.
Cue denials.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2015 14:01:37 GMT
I think it's fair to say the criteria has suddenly changed in some cases Wuzza. Some people are suddenly a lot less tolerant of poor results and performances than they used to be. You are not seriously suggesting that had we rocked up at Championship Blackburn under TP and gone for 4 the reaction would not have been equally as vitriolic? And it would have gone on way past the Monday where any OTT reaction to this defeat had all but disappeared |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 27, 2015 14:03:05 GMT
You are not seriously suggesting that had we rocked up at Championship Blackburn under TP and gone for 4 the reaction would not have been equally as vitriolic? And it would have gone on way past the Monday where any OTT reaction to this defeat had all but disappeared We were told that it would never of happened under him so it's a moot point. |
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 27, 2015 14:23:27 GMT
The OP asks the question "who are these people that are giving the manager no credit for our highest ever PL finish".
Can I give him the answer, there are no such people, it's all in your mind Mick.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 27, 2015 14:30:16 GMT
The OP asks the question "who are these people that are giving the manager no credit for our highest ever PL finish". Can I give him the answer, there are no such people, it's all in your mind Mick. There is more anti Pulis stuff on here in a day than there has been about HUGHES in nearly two years. Paranoid bollocks is the conclusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 14:31:20 GMT
I'm just surprised Hughes is still in a job.
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